coin throwing - embarrassed to be a Spurs fan.

[Real_madyidd]

I'm amazed that some people seem to be putting criticism of coin throwers to one side in order to go on the offensive against Walcott because 'his actions were provocative'. It was completely harmless banter. Presumably you'd say the same thing about girls who go out wearing short skirts on a drunken night out? You're dangerous neanderthals.

Throwing coins at anyone is disgusting. Throwing coins at a professional sportsman when he's surrounded by medical staff is absolutely unforgivable.

That's a hell of a presumption!

Personally I enjoy the banter and I don't think it needs to turn ugly. I used to like Ian Wright just because he was a wind up merchant, it's all fun and games as long as when they lose we can give them a bit of shit back.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

That's a hell of a presumption!

It is a big presumption. An extreme example that I didn't really mean to be taken literally. Just trying to demonstrate that just because an action is potentially provocative that doesn't place blame on the provocateur or absolve the criminal actions of the 'provoked'.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I'm not condoning coin throwing, I just have a problem with people expecting passionate supporters to always act like saints, especially in a game with our biggest rivals after a full days boozing.

There's a line that needs to be drawn, and for me that line is drawn well before 'violent criminal behavior recklessly endangering innocent bystanders.' These people should be derided. Being tanked up is obviously not an excuse.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

IMO its totally irrelevant.

Him holding up a 2 and a 0 is in no way a reason to start assaulting him.

If a scum fan comes up to me today and does the same to me am I going to punch him, no, because that would be utterly stupid and disproportionate.

Back in the early 90's while still at school we beat Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield.
The next day I mocked a couple of Liverpool fans at school by holding up scarf and window and signalling the result......
Never had to run so fast in my life!!!

I don't condone the coin throwing, but the little sod is lucky there were stewards as he could easily have got a good kicking.
Watch the incident again and you hear him scream like a girl when he goes down. At that moment in time, he got a bit of sympathy from me because it did seem it could be a nasty injury. However, just minutes later he's sat upright on a stretcher, grinning away and goading our fans. Is it any wonder they reacted???

 

[Wardy]

I'm with the view of some of here that Walcott antagonised the fans, which led to the coin throwing. Sure it's not right, but what do you expect with the arch rivals + a day of of alcohol? Walcott's gestures were harmless though and just a laugh.

Is it any different with Adebayor running across to celebrate in front of the Arsenal fans? Again that's just a laugh, but what else can you expect from the opposing fans? They threw a LOT more than coins..

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Hotspur Related
Daily Star claim Arsenal's Walcott will not face FA punishment for 2-0 gesture against Tottenham on Saturday but will be warned. #THFC

 

[Gassin's finest]

Walcott is also likely to be out for a month with knee ligament damage... so that'll put paid to that "faking" claim...

 

[dcarney75]

There is absolutely no excuse for throwing coins at players. All he did was put his fingers up to indicate the score. There's a certain irony in a group of big hard men being mortally offended by something like that. I'm glad I'm not that insecure and angry.

Also, imagine the situation was reversed, and Sandro had done that to a section of Gooners. He'd be hailed by many as a "legend" and we'd all be coming on here wailing hysterically about the inhuman behaviour of the Arsenal fans.

 

[EastLondonYid]

There is absolutely no excuse for throwing coins at players. All he did was put his fingers up to indicate the score. There's a certain irony in a group of big hard men being mortally offended by something like that. I'm glad I'm not that insecure and angry.

Also, imagine the situation was reversed, and Sandro had done that to a section of Gooners. He'd be hailed by many as a "legend" and we'd all be coming on here wailing hysterically about the inhuman behaviour of the Arsenal fans.

Sandro would have got off the stretcher and battered them..

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Walcott is also likely to be out for a month with knee ligament damage... so that'll put paid to that "faking" claim...

I'm always amazed by how quickly people will leap to claim a player is 'faking' an injury. Surely innocent until proven guilty? Nothing annoys me more than a player going down in the hope of stopping play, only to be up on his feet in the next minute. But when a player is literally being carried off the pitch on a stretcher then you have to give the benefit of the doubt.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I'm with the view of some of here that Walcott antagonised the fans, which led to the coin throwing. Sure it's not right, but what do you expect with the arch rivals + a day of of alcohol? Walcott's gestures were harmless though and just a laugh.

Is it any different with Adebayor running across to celebrate in front of the Arsenal fans? Again that's just a laugh, but what else can you expect from the opposing fans? They threw a LOT more than coins..

If the only way that people can think to reacting to provocation like that (and let's be clear here it was a bit of football banter not a racist slur) is to throw a coin then those people are morons.

Alcohol isn't an excuse.

The rivalry isn't an excuse.

The fact that their fans have done it before isn't an excuse.

These people are fucking idiots and I hope they have the book thrown at them (potentially literally in some cases).

 

[SlunkSoma]

Banter is all fun and games, until someone loses an eye. Which throwing a coin could achieve. I thought walcotts reaction was cheeky, annoying and funny. Not like he gave a nazi salute or anything.

 

[parklane1]

If the only way that people can think to reacting to provocation like that (and let's be clear here it was a bit of football banter not a racist slur) is to throw a coin then those people are morons.

Alcohol isn't an excuse.

The rivalry isn't an excuse.

The fact that their fans have done it before isn't an excuse.

These people are fucking idiots and I hope they have the book thrown at them (potentially literally in some cases).

Could not agree more, and anyone who defends those that throw coins( or anything) onto the pitch are morons as well.

 

[Darth Vega]

Luckily nobody got hurt or this would be an even bigger issue. That's the most important thing at the end of the day. Nobody should be allowed to enter a football match if they endanger others - fellow spectators or otherwise.

However, i think both parties are in the wrong. Our fans cannot be condoned for throwing coins, or anything for that matter, but in the biggest game of the season, with thousands of pissed off, angry and presumably drunk fans, it doesn't surprise me that something as little as a hand gesture set them off and Walcott should have known this. He effectively put the medical staff under risk, as well as himself.

I'm not shifting the blame on him completely but one stupid action led to another. Post a picture after the game like their wanker of a goalkeeper but don't do anything to provoke the fans. Like I said, the actions of our fans cannot be defended at all and it is shameful but you can definitely see why they reacted in that way. Even if our fans threw the first coin his reaction effectively provoked the situation. Pick up the coin and see to it that that fan is removed -- don't make it worse.

It's apples and oranges but look at Adebayor V Arsenal when he did the knee slide. Can you defend their fans for throwing shit on the pitch? Nope. But you can definitely understand their reaction.

Our situation was that but on a smaller scale with the regards to what was done to provoke the fans.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Hotspur Related
Daily Star claim Arsenal's Walcott will not face FA punishment for 2-0 gesture against Tottenham on Saturday but will be warned. #THFC

That's the sensible course of action. Those who threw stuff as a retaliation to his behaviour should be warned too. Then we can all move on

 

[dagraham]

Are we really debating whether its ok to throw coins at people?

Look, I watched what happened and when Walcott did the 2-0 gesture I called him a **** more times than I remember and hoped his leg was shattered. I have also been at many games where stuff like this has happened and reacted in the same way.

But although I may have temporarily wanted said players to come to harm I would not even dream of actually throwing a coin.

These fans are supposed to be adults who have evolved from nursery where you might launch a plastic chair at another kid who teased you. There is no excuse or justification for such moronic behaviour.

As for the arguement that they are pissed up.... how about not drinking all afternoon, so that you are capable of rational behaviour in public.
Or if you can't handle the booze, stop at a few drinks instead of acting like a fucking yob.

 

[talkshowhost86]

That's the sensible course of action. Those who threw stuff as a retaliation to his behaviour should be warned too. Then we can all move on

Because making a hand gesture is roughly equal to throwing a piece of metal at someone?

 

[Gassin's finest]

I'm with the view of some of here that Walcott antagonised the fans, which led to the coin throwing. Sure it's not right, but what do you expect with the arch rivals + a day of of alcohol? Walcott's gestures were harmless though and just a laugh.

Is it any different with Adebayor running across to celebrate in front of the Arsenal fans? Again that's just a laugh, but what else can you expect from the opposing fans? They threw a LOT more than coins..

There's an element to this... scheduling a fierce local derby to take place early evening, giving everyone a full day in the pubs, and only then think about limiting our allocation to 5k for "safety concerns".

Yeah... that worked well for you organisers *slow clap*

 

[JerryGarcia]

Weak minded people feeling the safety of a crowd are capable of doing some strange things that they'd never do in their regular day to day lives. They only have themselves to blame if they get banned as a result of this bollocks, I'm not embarrassed though because every club has these types and anyone with common sense knows they don't represent the rest of us normal fans.

 

[Wardy]

There's an element to this... scheduling a fierce local derby to take place early evening, giving everyone a full day in the pubs, and only then think about limiting our allocation to 5k for "safety concerns".

Yeah... that worked well for you organisers *slow clap*

That's a point actually, aren't they supposed to always have the derby games on at mid-day(ish)?