Concerts at the New Stadium

[fridgemagnet]

Tbh I don’t see a problem with him turning up in his Arsenal shirt to a GnR gig

I don't either except I saw one brave fearless goon pipe up on twitter with "Going to see G&R, shame it's at Spurs shitty stadium; still I'll be sure to have a couple of drunken pisses all over the walls"
That is pretty much verbatim what this brave Sir Wobin tweeted; honestly why on earth would you make it your mission to make your surroundings horrible for other people attending the same gig as you just because of its venue? (he got two likes on that bwave, bwave tweet though so I bet his pee-pee got all happy )
I don't get it but I hope he fell up some stairs trying to find his shrivelled cock in the dark!

 

[GMI]

Opportunity missed if Axel didn’t come out in one of Danny’s old shirts.

 

[Clark28]

Wonder roughly how much the club pocket from a capacity gig like this.

 

[Delboy75]

Wonder roughly how much the club pocket from a capacity gig like this.

£2-3m would be my guess. Maybe £1.5m from general and high end hospitality rest on rental.

Jury is out on the sound for me till the GaGa gig. I’d be amazed if it’s anything to do with the stadium design. Would be very disappointing if there is some issue with sound but then our commercial department will just have to focus more on other sporting events.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Apparently Axl was really struggling with his voice due to illness, particularly last night.

Reckon Gaga will sound perfect.

 

[BPR_U16]

Can't agree with people saying the stadium's sound system is perfect, at least where we are in the West stand high up almost central. Been to most of our premier league home games since the stadium opened and the only time I went wow that sound is amazing was when we went to one of the test events just before the stadium opened fully - sound then was very clear. It's been a case of incoherent sounds since then like echos etc (I would enjoy the half time talks more if I could just make out what they are saying!). I really don't know what changed from that first time we went, and we always assumed that it is something to do with all the TV crews down below and the system being retuned to suit them.

Totally agree hear re sound system.

In North Stand and sound was good at test and first match, but now cant hear whats going on at all in the half time chats. Only thing that comes through, now that hes back is Coyteys 'come on you Spurs',

 

[dbspurs]

My brother went last night. Said they were 90 minutes late and so the set list was cut because they had to be off by 10:30pm. No November Rain or Rocket Queen due to the truncated set.

I quote "Even after 40 years Axl still likes to keep people waiting'

Took over an hour to get back to WHL station as well.

I'm getting the feeling that any production problems may be more to do with GNR than the venue.

 

[Metalhead]

This picture was on my Telegram Spurs Chat

Think its G&R's View attachment 113839

Oh I like that.

 

[nailsy]

I saw them years ago in Milton Keynes and they were really late then as well. I thought they were taking the piss so I wouldn't pay to go and see them again.

 

[1961beavera]

Sat in level 4 south stand and had no problem with sound, other than those annoying bat sounds during the 90 minute wait for G'n'R to come on stage.

Gary Clark Jr is worth going to see if/when he tours.

Re Axl - Ok so maybe not the best chance to see him perform, but have been to other bands' gigs towards the end of tours where voices were 'breaking', however when it mattered boy was he good. At least Slash and Duff got some air time.

The couple sitting behind me and my daughter were a mixed marriage, he a Spur and her a Goon. She actually said that she was envious, given 'glumerates' is now 15 years old and showing its age.

 

[Metalhead]

I saw them years ago in Milton Keynes and they were really late then as well. I thought they were taking the piss so I wouldn't pay to go and see them again.

I thought that they had got over all that. I think that Axl said something about how he has to get in the right vibe or something before a gig. I saw them.at Wembley back in 1992 and they were on time that day in fairness. Was that at the Milton Keynes bowl?

 

[C-oops]

I guess with any open air venue, the wind carries the sound and it can fade in and out a bit. Hopefully it was just that.

It'll be the acoustics in the bowl. The wind will not have that much of an effect inside. Definitely seems to depend where you sat. Maybe the sound was designed to reverberate and be amplified if coming from the seats rather than down on the pitch.

 

[UncleBuck]

Awesome night!

 

[nailsy]

I thought that they had got over all that. I think that Axl said something about how he has to get in the right vibe or something before a gig. I saw them.at Wembley back in 1992 and they were on time that day in fairness. Was that at the Milton Keynes bowl?

Yes, it was at the bowl. I saw Metallica there as well.
That's a really poor excuse from Rose. He should plan how to get in the zone rather than keep people waiting for hours at various gigs.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

It'll be the acoustics in the bowl. The wind will not have that much of an effect inside. Definitely seems to depend where you sat. Maybe the sound was designed to reverberate and be amplified if coming from the seats rather than down on the pitch.

I went to the Design museum in London and there was a section on how our new stadium was designed to capture the sound from the terraces. They had graphics of the computer aided acoustics design. Obviously this has worked well for sport but doesn’t necessarily mean it works for a concert where there is a main stage at one end of the ground.

 

[Tucker]

I'm getting the feeling that any production problems may be more to do with GNR than the venue.

Yep, the cold hard truth is that GnR are a bunch of unreliable has beens, especially Axle himself. Given how good everything else sounds in the stadium too, I find it doubtful that it’s the building‘s fault and not the band‘s.

 

[C-oops]

Yep, the cold hard truth is that GnR are a bunch of unreliable has beens, especially Axle himself. Given how good everything else sounds in the stadium too, I find it doubtful that it’s the building‘s fault and not the band‘s.

It's likely to be a combination of both. Sound techs not up to the job of mixing the sound in a challenging arena

 

[Metalhead]

Yes, it was at the bowl. I saw Metallica there as well.
That's a really poor excuse from Rose. He should plan how to get in the zone rather than keep people waiting for hours at various gigs.

Totally agree

 

[nailsy]

I thought the stadium was designed to keep sound in and therefore create a louder and more atmospheric environment? It doesn't seem that far fetched to suggest that it could also cause the echo that some people have mentioned.

 

[Nerine]

Ok.
So. Here we go. My assessment of last nights gig:

I watched/listened from two different spots. Block 530 and then pitch level underneath block 530.

Up in the gods, the sound was a bit unintelligible. Vocals got a bit lost. The bass and subs carried pretty well. Wind also played a part.

There is an echo/long RT60 time in the stadium. It was quite distracting at my initial spot. Everything sounded like it had a bit of a slap back delay on it.
This isn’t the stadiums fault. Nor is it GNR’s FOH crews fault. It’s simple physics playing its part in a big venue.

The music played at games is a different beast because the stadium has small line arrays dotted around the perimeter of the roof. Therefore lots fewer late reflections due to the decreased distance between the speaker and the audience. This would be perceived as less “reverby” and more intelligible/defined.

Consider that the stage has a large line array system pumping sound into the bowl from one end. It’s only natural that it’s going to bounce around the south stand and be somewhat kept in by the roof, too.

For crowd sounds, it’s very cool. It makes the sound more “massive” and intimidating. For concert sound it is problematic because of smearing, cancellation, and reduction in definition.

As for GNR, nowadays it’s a myth that they’re on late every night. They’re not. The set was shortened a bit last night, as Axl even admitted that he was struggling (something I’ve never heard him say) but just two weeks ago they were still banging out mammoth 3.5 hr sets.

The sound closer to pitch level was improved. I’d imagine if you were closer to the source and in the semi-circle at the front, it would have sounded great. There definitely wasn’t a lack of volume or bass or anything like that. It’s just a huge cauldron of noise. Perfect for sport. So if you watch a gig, get closer to the source. It will be much more defined.

I’d imagine the sound would be improved over time when system techs figure out how to get their heads round it. Even though computational/dimensional data is used when rigging venues for these types of shows, there would be a lack of real world data to pull from. This will improve over time as the algorithms etc are finessed.

Gaga will likely sound “better” but her show contains a lot more pre-recorded and sampled material, and will be less unwieldy than a loud rock band, so will be easier to control.

I know the system tech that works for TOOL and he’s shown me the data sheets for their rigging. The line arrays are configured for angle down to 0.1 of a degree on a per venue basis. These rigs can take days to configure/calculate for each venue.

This would have been no different, but it was the first proper gig in the place, so I’d expect an improvement over time.

One thing I will say, though. It’s my first time being inside the stadium. Hugely impressive. Crowd cheers sounded insane. Very loud. Easy to get a drink. Service was quick everywhere. Pricing was fair. Easy to navigate. It’s very well thought out and is high end throughout. Very cool.