Controversial opinion

[muppetman]

The Cockerell on the new stadium is shit.

This is more like it!

 

[muppetman]

I don't think you can ever blame a structure can you? Does it come down to the people? Or maybe it's a simple numbers game, the more people means the bond get's weaker or something. I've heard comics say it's easier to perform to 10,000 people than 10 because it's less intimate as the numbers go up.

It's the change in expectations from the fanbase, not the building. We've become like Arsenal, with all that this entails.

 

[wrd]

It's the change in expectations from the fanbase, not the building. We've become like Arsenal, with all that this entails.

I made another post just before that one and it pretty much speaks of the same thing, though I don't think I used the word expectation but instead demand, which is worse.

 

[Styopa]

It's the change in expectations from the fanbase, not the building. We've become like Arsenal, with all that this entails.

I think it is partly the building too. Like the way going to see a musician perform in a small venue is completely different to seeing them perform in a huge arena. Both have their plus and minus points. You lose the intimacy when something becomes huge, but there can also be something transcendent about a massive crowd when things are going well.

 

[HotSprut]

I was wrongfully banned from the transfer forum (and now I'll shut up about it)

 

[PLTuck]

If ENIC didn't buy us we'd have been relegated more than once in the last 20 years.

 

[wrd]

I think it is partly the building too. Like the way going to see a musician perform in a small venue is completely different to seeing them perform in a huge arena. Both have their plus and minus points. You lose the intimacy when something becomes huge, but there can also be something transcendent about a massive crowd when things are going well.

Do you think that it's the capability of the performer(s) to be able to make a huge arena feel intimate? Maybe it's not intimate but the energy they have allows for the connection to be just as strong if there was 100 or 100,000 people?

 

[muppetman]

I think it is partly the building too. Like the way going to see a musician perform in a small venue is completely different to seeing them perform in a huge arena. Both have their plus and minus points. You lose the intimacy when something becomes huge, but there can also be something transcendent about a massive crowd when things are going well.

Absolutely, the Arsenal game at the end of last season was one of the best atmospheres I've ever known. It genuinely felt like the sheer number of us were bullying their players and supporters - an amazing thing to be part of.

I think there is also a lot of rose tinted glasses being worn, the old place was silent more often than it was rocking.

Ultimately, the new ground has largely been poorer (atmosphere wise) because the football has largely been pretty shit and the fanbase are miserable.

 

[wrd]

Here's a question,

Do you think that getting to witness your team win the league and F.A Cup is worth the pain of suffering relegation as Leicester may well do this season? Would you prefer the High's and Low's or do you prefer the more consistent wave pattern?

 

[codspur]

I think PEH is an arm waving chest beating fraud

 

[Gassin's finest]

Here's a question,

Do you think that getting to witness your team win the league and F.A Cup is worth the pain of suffering relegation as Leicester may well do this season? Would you prefer the High's and Low's or do you prefer the more consistent wave pattern?

Different times, granted, but after huge success in the 60's and 70's, we got relegated, then came back and had a further great run of success through the 80s. So sure, why not? We'd probably storm the Championship title as well.

 

[mil1lion]

If ENIC didn't buy us we'd have been relegated more than once in the last 20 years.

If Roman Abramovich took over we would have won titles and been a bunch of arrogant wankers

 

[Styopa]

Do you think that it's the capability of the performer(s) to be able to make a huge arena feel intimate? Maybe it's not intimate but the energy they have allows for the connection to be just as strong if there was 100 or 100,000 people?

Yeah, I think it suits some performers better than others, but those who are good at it seem to be able to channel that energy into a kind of feedback loop between themselves and the crowd. When that happens, the sheer numbers can magnify the effect into something really special.

 

[wrd]

Yeah, I think it suits some performers better than others, but those who are good at it seem to be able to channel that energy into a kind of feedback loop between themselves and the crowd. When that happens, the sheer numbers can magnify the effect into something really special.

I appreciate that response, that idea of a feedback loop is great, I think that's a great observation.

 

[Tucker]

We were right to sack Poch, and he probably should have gone in the Summer. He was clearly a broken man after that final, and I don’t think he had the stomach for the so called painful rebuild, neither did the club.

We should have let him go then, parted ways amicably and started a new fresh project. Instead we limped on, bought terribly in the summer, sacked him and have since had a succession of poor managerial appointments.

 

[danielneeds]

We have the softest, quietest, most frightened (of change, of speaking out, of demanding success, etc.) supporters of any team in England. I’m not even really talking about people that come on a Spurs board and care enough to read and make comments- I mean our fan base in general.

I’m sorry but our fans fucking suck.

We have a very “small C” conservative fanbase, mostly Essex and the home counties. It’s not like Liverpool, Manchester, places with a history of political and social protest. The places where the season ticket holders come from, people would rather wash their car on the weekend than go to a protest. That’s just the way it is.

 

[barry]

If you think it's just a problem on here then think again. The entire fanbase is toxic and divisive. I come on here because the rest of my life and my health is utter crap and this used to be a good escape where I got more information on Tottenham (one of my biggest loves) than anywhere else. The way some go on it's like you're not allowed to feel positive about the club.

I always enjoy a good natured discussion about anything, because I am open minded. How often does that happen without it resorting to childish insults just because someone has a differing opinion nowadays? It has become tedious reading through threads and it's even harder to say anything without being jumped on. Take giving credit to Arsenal for the good they have done this season.. low and behold I am twerking for them. What the fuck is that?

You can laugh at me for feeling this way. You can joke about it. You can give me negatve ratings. I don't give a fuck anymore. I just want to enjoy reading about our next manager, our transfers and see how the new set up does.

We're all internet strangers, if someone disagrees with your view or give's you shit about being positive, who cares. This place is jokes, it would be boring if everyone was just positive. I've been apathetic on Tottenham for an age, and I need mentalists, who rant and rave to keep my emotions unbalanced. It's living to me, and I love it.
Regarding the Arsenal appreciation thing, this is a Tottenham forum, our escape from our normal lives, we don't need reality clouding our blinkered views, especially when we're dog shit. They are the old enemy, so expect comeback from some. Don't take that shit to heart. No one come's on here with malicious intent, it's just the best place to vent about our shitshow of a club.
BTW the way you quote your own posts and answer them as someone else...trips me out bro, fucking love it. It's classic

 

[Spunkmonkey]

We should never have sacked David Pleat. If anything his wife should have had a go at him, but he should have kept his job.
#onefortheteenagers

 

[RuskyM]

Dier’s good. I really like him.

 

[TheHodFather]

Ultimately, the new ground has largely been poorer (atmosphere wise) because the football has largely been pretty shit and the fanbase are miserable.

This for me. The team's been on the decline ever since the stadium opened, and we've had managers that play negative football for most of that period as well. I'll reserve judgment on the atmosphere until we have a team moving in the right direction under a manager who wants us to entertain a bit.