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Could we pull of the 5-3-2/3-5-2?

ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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------------------- Gomes -------------------

----- Corluka --- Huddlestone -- Woodgate ----

Hutton ------------------------------- Ekotto

-------- Palacios - Zokora -- Modric -----------

------------- Defoe --- SuperPav ------------



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It's not going to be every-one's cup of tea, but give it a chance. Harry's decided the midfield has got to include Wilson, Zokora and Luka, but Defoe (who will surely always start under 'arry) needs a strike partner. Could the old 5-3-2/3-5-2 be the way forward?

Harry has used this formation, albeit sparingly, with great success at Portsmouth. I recall a 3-0 away win against Everton while playing Hoddle's favourite formation.

This formation has the potential to be huge, but only if (and it's a big if) the players understand their roles completely.

With Corluka and Woodgate acting like CB's in a 4-4-2, Huddlestone has the liscence to move out of defence at will. Alternatively, he can also drop back into the old sweeper position, offering us greater protection.

The wing-backs need to have energy to burn, and Alan Hutton and Assou-Ekotto fit the bill brilliantly. Both play almost as midfielders a lot of the time, and I think both would revel in the wing-back position. I actually feel that Chimbonda and Bale would both be more comfortable in this position, as opposed to full-back (Chimbonda & Bale) or midfield (Bale).

The midfield is strong, well protected, and creative. The setup is similar to that of Chelsea's central midfield under Mourinho. Zokora holding (Makelele), Palacios covering the ground and being clever in possesion (Essien) and Modric (Lampard) having the freedom to really express himself and not worry too much on his defensive duties. Having the likes of Palacios and Modric in the midfield are essential, as they'll keep hold of possession and allow the wing-backs to create space ahead of them.

Pav and Defoe look like they might be starting to hit it off, and this can only be a good thing. At times last night, I thought Defoe's hold up play with brilliant, and he was laying the ball of into some very good areas.

I know it's a tried and largely unsuccessful, system, but I can't help but feel that sometimes teams just look... confused... in the 5-3-2/3-5-2 setup. With clearly defined roles, I really believe it could work.

Rip it apart people :)
 

thetallaghttiger

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No O'Hara, Dawson or Lennon there! Eek But the crocked Hutton is included! :eek:mg:

At the moment, I can't see our players adapting to anything other than 4-4-2, there's not enough players who are technically good enough, or smart enough either to be honest, to play to a different system.

I'm sure we'll see 4-4-2 for the rest of the season, but Harry should definitely experiment and tinker with formations in pre-season. He'll also have the added bonus then of hopefully adding a few more faces to the squad and get rid of a few as well.
 

Rackybear

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Aug 10, 2008
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Unlikely. But a good idea, just cant see it being used by spurs nor any other premiership team.

Stick to 4-4-2 with attacking fullbacks and wingers who can drift in a little to support the strikers with Palacios and Zokora holding the shape of our midfield I say. This would allow us to play Lennon on the right, and Modric on the left, giving him the "free-role" to drift in and play football at his own peril.
 

Mr-T

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3-5-2, lovely idea but gone the same way as the dodo.

Only works on champ manager thesedays.
 

ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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No O'Hara, Dawson or Lennon there! Eek But the crocked Hutton is included! :eek:mg:

O'Hara's not real shock. Dawson could come in for Huddlestone, with Corluka playing the sweeper to defensive midfield role (I actually like the sound of that a lot). Lennon could play RWB, although would probably be better of playing in his (allegedly) favourite position - Modric's role.
 

spursfan1991

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3-5-2, lovely idea but gone the same way as the dodo.

Only works on champ manager thesedays.

exactly or pro evo, even 4-5-1 doesn't work for us, our players quite simply don't have the talent and most importantly the intelligence to play a different system successfully. You only have to look at our results and performances when we haven't played a flat 4-4-2 to realise this.
 

yiddobrett

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Mar 18, 2005
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Nice idea, Stophe, but we're missing three of our best players right now in Lennon, O'Hara and Dawson, as well as the King. Just can't see HR going for it personally. I think Palacios and Modric have got to be in the centre of a four man midfield.
 

Sauniere

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Oct 28, 2004
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I believe Harry started with this formation V Wigan in the league. We didn't create much although we have a few new players now.
 

yiddobrett

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Mar 18, 2005
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I believe Harry started with this formation V Wigan in the league. We didn't create much although we have a few new players now.


Nah mate, we very much played a diamond midfield that day, and it was poor. King sat, Zokora went down the right (!), Bale on the left and Modric in the hole.

It works on Pro Evo, but not at Wigan!
 

3Dnata

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If we come up against a 4-5-1 I think a 3-5-2 could work.
It would save us getting overrun in midfield and our best players would be able to play.
 

Hoowl

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Aug 18, 2005
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352 is particularly bad against a 451. You end up with two spare centre backs as there is only one striker to mark.
 

freeeki

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Sack Huddlestone off and yeah I could see that working.

I would say drop Thudd and bring in Lennon but that'd be a 4-4-2 which defeats the object of the game. Hmmm. Perhaps Thudd for Rocha? ;)
 

ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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352 is particularly bad against a 451. You end up with two spare centre backs as there is only one striker to mark.

Not necessarily. This is the exact situation where Huddlestone (or Corluka) would step into midfield and man mark the attacking central thread from the 5.
 

bones82

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Huddlestone shouldn't go in defence, Zokora is a better tackler.
Also want Lennon playing. Since Harry want the team built around Modric, Palacios, Zokora, and possibly Jenas, here are some ideas.

4-4-2 with 1 winger
------------------- Gomes -------------------
Hutton-----Corluka---- Woodgate ----Ekotto
Lennon------Zokora------Palacios------Modric------
------------- Defoe --- SuperPav

4-5-1 with 1 winger
------------------- Gomes -------------------
Hutton----- Corluka ---- Woodgate ----Ekotto
-------------------Zokora---------------------
-------------Jenas-------Palacios------------
--- Lennon---------------------Modric-------
---------------- SuperPav-------------------

4-5-1 no wingers
------------------- Gomes -------------------
Hutton----- Corluka ---- Woodgate ----Ekotto
-------------------Zokora---------------------
----Jenas----Hudd-------Palacios---Modric
---------------- SuperPav-------------------

Diamond
------------------- Gomes -------------------
Hutton----- Corluka ---- Woodgate ----Ekotto
-------------------Zokora---------------------
--------------Jenas-----Palacios--------------
------------------Modric---------------------
----------------Defoe-SuperPav--------------

Xmas Tree
------------------- Gomes -------------------
Hutton----- Corluka ---- Woodgate ----Ekotto
-------Jenas-------Zokora-------Palacios-----
-----------Lennon---------Modric------------
------------------SuperPav--------------

3-6-1
-------------------Gomes--------------------
--------Dawson---Corluka---Woodgate
-------------Zokora----Hudd
----Jenas------------------------Palacios-------
-----------Lennon-------Modric-------
----------------SuperPav--------------
 

Sauniere

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Oct 28, 2004
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Nah mate, we very much played a diamond midfield that day, and it was poor. King sat, Zokora went down the right (!), Bale on the left and Modric in the hole.

It works on Pro Evo, but not at Wigan!

:lol:

Fair enough. I was going on how they described it on Sky Sports
 

Destroyer

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Jun 12, 2004
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Its going to be -

3-4-1-2

Gomes

Corluka ----- Woodgate---- Chimbonda

Bentley --- Palacios --- Zokora --- Lennon

Modric

Defoe --------------------- Pavluychenko
 

werty

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Aug 8, 2005
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Not necessarily. This is the exact situation where Huddlestone (or Corluka) would step into midfield and man mark the attacking central thread from the 5.
But there could be alot of two-on-ones out wide if the oppositions full back can get foward enough. Also, I wouldn't fancy Woodgate of Dawson trying to stop a winger if the wing-back gets caught too far foward and they have to come out of central area.

I do like the formation mind. I think it could work better than 4-5-1/4-3-3 which we don't seem to play well. I'd prefer to stick with the 4-4-2 at the moment though. Maybe try it out at the end of the season when:)pray:) we're safe
 

DFF

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May 17, 2005
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Gomes

Dawson Woody Corluka

Chimbo ------------------------ Bale

Zokora ----- Palacios

Modric

Pav ------ Defoe


Bring Lennon on to tear apart tired defences. Sexweetastic.
 

Vedi

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Gomes

Corluka Woodgate Dawson
Zokora
Appiah Palacios Modric Jenas
Defoe Pav
 
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