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Crucified by own own greed and ambition

themanwhofellasleep

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We're currently in a relegation battle, and if we do go down, we'll deserve it.


We can have no excuses. We are a rich club. Of the clubs outside the top 4, we've spent the most money in recent years. We pay big wages. We've been in Europe the last three seasons and can attract the top players. We're based in London so we can attract the kind of players who won't move north of Watford. In short, we're very, very lucky – there are teams in the Premiership with a quarter of out budget and no glamorous history to lure in superstars. They have to rely on the bargain bin and players who have plied their trade in lower divisions. We are bottom of the league because we got greedy and ambitious.


Perhaps our biggest sin is that the club cannot tell style from substance. They see a player, believe the hype and lick their lips. And in this, the fans are as guilty as the board. As Hull proved today, there are hundreds of players out there capable of doing a good job for the team. These players may not be Brazilian or Croatian. They may not be the hot new up-and-coming starlet, but they are not mugs. But we don't buy those type of players anymore. When was the last time we bought a reasonably-priced young player who wasn't overhyped? Maybe Gunter, who is one of our better performers. No, we shop only at Harrods. Never mind whether the player has premiership experience or whether he's willing to graft for the team, is he glamorous? Is he the latest wunderkind to have a youtube compilations of his goals? Over the transfer window, we could have bought the likes of Marlon King or Emile Heskey or Chopra or any number of decent strikers. But the fans would have been in uproar! “Where's the ambition?” they would whine. “We're never going to break the top four like that!” So the club spends £14m on Pavyluchenko instead. We got what we deserved.


It's the same with our managers. We had Martin Jol, a man who was not glamorous, who didn't boast a history in Spain or Italy, but who was good at his job. Yet, after two consecutive 5th place finishes, the club decided that he wasn't the messiah to lead us into the promised land of the Champions League, so he was replaced by a man with a better reputation. Never mind that we poached him off another club – we can just send out another press release demanding respect. So what if he doesn't speak much English - he's a tactical genius!


In another thread, someone was asking who would replace Ramos if he leaves? Megson, they sneered? But they shouldn't sneer. There's nothing wrong with Gary Megson. On a very limited budget, he pulled Bolton away from relegation, despite having his best striker (Anelka) sold from under his nose. But the issue isn't whether Megson or Phil Brown or Allardyce or Hodgson are good managers – it's whether they are glamour managers. If Megson were an Italian or a Frenchman, or smoked Gauloises on the touchline, we might consider him. But an ordinary Englishman who has managed West Brom? How terribly gauche...

There are loads of managers out there who could do a decent job at Spurs, if the board didn't constantly undermine them or demand a top 4 finish. But that wasn't good enough for us, was it? Never mind whether we can beat Middlesboro, shouldn't the mighty Spurs be beating Arsenal and Chelsea? Don't we deserve to be in the Champions League? No. We don't.


Two seasons ago the club had nearly all the ingredients for unprecedented success. But we got greedy and we have no-one to blame but ourselves.
 

johnmc

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We are in a truely fine mess, and I totally agree it's all our own doing. The seeds were sowed when we finished 5th and decided to try a nick a few young players from around Europe. Instead of improving the first team we went for a cheap option. Only thanks to someone these players turned out not to be so cheap after all. KPB. Kaboul, and Bent all bought for huge amounts of money, to play in positions which at the time were not top priority. That saw the end of a fine manager and sowed the seeds of which we are reaping now. Yes it seems greed has played a major part in all this.
 

ConfusedOnlooker

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We are in a truely fine mess, and I totally agree it's all our own doing. The seeds were sowed when we finished 5th and decided to try a nick a few young players from around Europe. Instead of improving the first team we went for a cheap option. Only thanks to someone these players turned out not to be so cheap after all. KPB. Kaboul, and Bent all bought for huge amounts of money, to play in positions which at the time were not top priority. That saw the end of a fine manager and sowed the seeds of which we are reaping now. Yes it seems greed has played a major part in all this.

Yep, that is the summer where it all went wrong. Taking a punt on a few youngsters who we speculated would rise in value, rather than buying the experienced players we needed who would conversely most likely depreciate in value. Levy's biggest mistake in his time at Spurs.
 

DC_Boy

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it is fair to say the summer before last wasn't too clever - but let's remember Jol was manager - and presumably had a say in this as part of the 4 amigos - tho of course I know not how much- and hardly anyone if anyone on here knows exactly what went on that summer
 

JollyHappy

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I disagree, our mistake this summer is simple and twofold. We spent less than we brought in and so our team is weaker.

But more importantly we sold two world class strikers who were experienced in the premier league and brought in one who can't speak english, has had a long season and may or may not be world class. Why aren't we scoring goals? Simple we didn't replace like for like.
 

themanwhofellasleep

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I disagree, our mistake this summer is simple and twofold. We spent less than we brought in and so our team is weaker.

But more importantly we sold two world class strikers who were experienced in the premier league and brought in one who can't speak english, has had a long season and may or may not be world class. Why aren't we scoring goals? Simple we didn't replace like for like.

Of course we miss Berbatov and Keane. Any team would. But lots of things have gone wrong for Spurs in the last 18 months and not all of it has to do with either them or Defoe.

There's this obsession with "world-class" strikers. But most of the teams in the premiership manage to score goals without having world-class strikers. Are Roman Bednar and Amr Zaki world class? They've both scored more than our strikers. Do West Ham have world-class strikers? No. But they have scored 13 goals this season, compared to our 4.

We spent £30 million on Bent and Pav, somehow believing that expensive glamour players are inherently better than bargains. For the money we spent on Pav, we could have bought two experienced premiership strikers. And yet people still think that had we spunked away £15m on Arshavin as well, all our problems would have been solved. Modric, Dos Santos, Bentley and Pavlyuchenko have all failed to justify their fees and reputations - I don't see why another similar signing would have made the difference.

We need fewer big-money glamour signings, less hype and more substance.
 

jondesouza

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We spent £30 million on Bent and Pav, somehow believing that expensive glamour players are inherently better than bargains. For the money we spent on Pav, we could have bought two experienced premiership strikers. And yet people still think that had we spunked away £15m on Arshavin as well, all our problems would have been solved. Modric, Dos Santos, Bentley and Pavlyuchenko have all failed to justify their fees and reputations - I don't see why another similar signing would have made the difference.

We need fewer big-money glamour signings, less hype and more substance.

You're totally right on this Greg. As I've said before, the policy that got us two 5th placed finishes, that of buying young English players (Hudd, Carrick, Jenas, Lennon) and solid international class foreigners (Tainio, Lee, arguably Berbatov) has been forgotten in favour of high-profile marquee signings. The difference is marked.
 

fazza

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Well after the way Levy and co treated Jol I really don't have any sympathy for them, right now Ramos is making Levy look like a total idiot. I still wonder if Big Mart had not have been sacked what position would we find ourselevs in now.
 

Rocksuperstar

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I'm still waiting for the apology thread from all the extra-enthusiastic motherf*ckers who were slating those of us who supported Martin in the whole saga - they spent weeks ripping into anyone who tried to claim sacking the big guy wasn't the way forward, claiming that Ramos would definately take us to the next step, our slump after two seasons as "the best of the rest" was proof that Jol couldn't take us any further, etc.

Some would even go so far as to get really pissed off with those of us who dared think that they were making a bit of a big thing of this guy, considering he'd only achieved a few things in a league far different from ours and a couple of UEFA cups (won last year by a Russian side made up of mainly plumbers and convicts, iirc)

F*ck it, i don't even want apologies from the sad-sacks who jump on these glory wagons before they even know where they're going. It's simple for me - the board were more convinced by the Ramos PR being spun by someone and sacrificed the one guy who was trying to build a team, rather than grab instant success by shelling out cash.

Buy the guy who beat you - i would go so far as to say the board were after his phone number since Sevilla knocked us out - remember, these are businessmen, it could be netball for all they care.
 

striebs

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Great article .

I don't think it's ambition at all , plain greed .

We've reaped what we've sown and it's going to take ages to put right .


It's like the Tower of Babel out on the pitch , nobody can understand what the man next to him is trying to say .
 

SpurSince57

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I'm still waiting for the apology thread from all the extra-enthusiastic motherf*ckers who were slating those of us who supported Martin in the whole saga - they spent weeks ripping into anyone who tried to claim sacking the big guy wasn't the way forward, claiming that Ramos would definately take us to the next step, our slump after two seasons as "the best of the rest" was proof that Jol couldn't take us any further, etc.

Some would even go so far as to get really pissed off with those of us who dared think that they were making a bit of a big thing of this guy, considering he'd only achieved a few things in a league far different from ours and a couple of UEFA cups (won last year by a Russian side made up of mainly plumbers and convicts, iirc)

F*ck it, i don't even want apologies from the sad-sacks who jump on these glory wagons before they even know where they're going. It's simple for me - the board were more convinced by the Ramos PR being spun by someone and sacrificed the one guy who was trying to build a team, rather than grab instant success by shelling out cash.

Buy the guy who beat you - i would go so far as to say the board were after his phone number since Sevilla knocked us out - remember, these are businessmen, it could be netball for all they care.


As I posted on another thread, RSS, it's like half of France claiming they were brave Resistance fighters after the Liberation, when in reality they'd spent four years snuggling up to the Nazis. I've got no problem with people like B-C who 'fess up, but I really am tempted to ask A&C to fish out the Martin Jol Black Hole thread.

Martin did remark at some point, possibly unwisely, that Levy, although he's a great businessman, knows nothing about football—and I get the impression that Kemsley and Comolli persuaded Ickle Dan that Jol couldn't take us to the 'next level' (like football's a fucking computer game) and that we should get in this gee-whiz manager with a superficially outstanding record. And here we are, a year later, in the Land of the Emperor's New Clothes, with the CC win and Donna Cullen's bullshit looking horribly threadbare.
 

Zapsta

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Well after the way Levy and co treated Jol I really don't have any sympathy for them
Oh fuck off. There's no room in football for sentiment. If we were top of the table right now, the way Levy treated Jol would be considered as necessarily cutthroat. Why would you feel sorry for them over anything, anyway? We're all one entity. We're all part of Tottenham Hotspur.
 

Zapsta

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There isn't room for sentiment in football, but if we were top of the league right now, we wouldn't be grateful to Levy for bringing in Ramos? Well that's just stupid.
 
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