Decision time is here NOW

[loyalyid]

Still we could always get Joe Bloggs in to be the manager, he would do a great job !!

Where would the Arse be now if they had sacked Wenger early doors ?

Or Man U if they had sacked Red nose ??

Both were doing crap at the time ?

The difference is they were both mid league at the time, not bottom of the league, cut adrift, winless in the league all season. I guess their expectations are far higher than yours.

 

[roosh]

the time for giving the manager time was last season. stability for stability's sake is not the answer, when that stability means a continuation of the status quo. There was ample evidence to give Jol time, there is not one shred of evidence that Juande deserves any more time - unless you count the carling cup win in the same year as Cardiff City and Portsmouth contested the FA Cup final.

 

[JJ1978]

Yesterday was painful to watch... Zakora seemed to be running round like a headless chicken, Bale should have been crossing rather than shooting all the time and after the 1st couple of times, Ramos should have stepped in and called for a change of kick taker. Felt sorry for Bent, he must feel so frustrated with the lack of service and support he is getting right now. We saw pre-season that Dos Santos can play very well in a supporting role to Bent... but not once have I seen him being put in that role. Why not bring Campbell on last night? There was nothing to lose and his pace would have been a great threat. Lennon started well, then fadded and seemed to get a bit sulky 2nd half, not running back etc. Jenus... well there has been enough said about him so I wont go there! O'hara looked out of his depth. Hutton looked good going forward, but everytime he made a good run, the rest of the players just seemed to back off so he had no where to go.

Some of the blame does lie with Ramos, his constant team changing and strange substitution choices just has not worked. He wither needs to sort this out or go, most of last night he just looked frozen, there was no passion.. I didnt see him waving and shouting at the players to get stuck in.

Thats my differing views!

 

[SpurSince57]

Look at this way - since the Cup final we've taken 16 points from 20 games. Over a season that's just under 32 points. That's never enough to keep any club up.

And 24 from 26 this calendar year. 9 of those were against Derby, Sunderland (which we scarcely deserved) and Reading.

 

[Dr Know]

I think we need to keep hold of him at least till next season. If the board can fix the screw up that we had in the last window in the next window then I feel only then will I be fully laying the blame on Ramos if we don't show some improvement.

There must be some clause in Ramos's contract to do with performances, I just can't see how the board would compensate him to get rid of him when thier reason for sacking him would be bad management.


oh shit do I have a hangover, I thought I needed some Dutch courage to watch the game last night but I think the Dutch had reinforcements

 

[Lanh]

Afraid so. In that time we've won three league games (West Ham and Portsmouth home and Reading away).

And 24 from 26 this calendar year. 9 of those were against Derby, Sunderland (which we scarcely deserved) and Reading.

I knew it was bad but I didn't realise it was quite that bad. Jeez!

 

[TheBigMatch]

And 24 from 26 this calendar year. 9 of those were against Derby, Sunderland (which we scarcely deserved) and Reading.

We were very lucky to do so well against Sunderland. Great game to be at but without Cerny's saves they would have been level or beating us before Keane came on to score his 100.

24 points from 26 games (78 points) pretty much shows that it isn't all about the new players that Ramos and Comolli have brought in, or indeed the players they have let go.

Clueless and Rudderless pretty much sums up 2008. Aside from those three games in the League Cup which weren't really Ramos' side as he has demonstrated by chopping it to pieces.

 

[coldasice199]

They have to sack Ramos now if were to stand any chance. We need an emergency lift from somewhere. With such a tough run of games coming up were in real real real trouble. We may be able to reinforce in jan and go on a run, but we could be dead and buried by then.

The whole club needs a turn around, but to start Ramos must be sent away.

 

[slewis1972]

Mind U, the starting team sheet from last night apart from Gomes I think, looked like one we would have played lend of last season, no bentley, no modric, no dos santos, and thats not taking into consideration corluka and pav are all cup tied. So if we could not have won at end of last season, how the hell could we win against Udinese.

Kept on the side lines upto now ref Ramos, but last night was the final straw. Sod 12m, get someone who gives a damn in and gives the players a kick up the butt. Its not like we spend much money in the summer, it was mostly covered by sales, plus we have about 10m rotting in the reserves who he wont play.

Personally would love Roy keane but dont think it will happen.

More than likely they will give Poyet the job.

Scott

 

[van_Pommel]

We are going to get relegated and someone has to pay for that. Comolli needs to go now. Unfortunately so does Ramos. We need to start from scratch I think.

 

[slewis1972]

If Levy came out and said - fine, I agree, its not worked, then I think most will forgive him. Clean slate. Its not like we have alot of bad players, its the inconsitancy and failings to buy in certain areas that have let us down.

I miss Jol and wish the club had allowed him the time he needed. God, he would be a different manager with Berb gone but thats the past and we now need to look ahead.

We need to support the team but at the same time, we as fans need to get Ramos and Connoli out.

 

[roosh]

there has to be a complete purging of the cancer that is spreading throughout the club.

It has to start with Ramos.

Commolli has to go before the January transfer window.

And after Levy has installed a new manager and we have bought the players WE NEED (not ones that will have a higher re-sale value), then he too needs to go.

ENIC most likely have to go as well

 

[rez9000]

Counting the 3 months when no premiership games were played is a bit of a stretch don't ya think.

Alright. How about this?

His 2008 Premiership record:

Played: 26
Won: 5

I'll say that again:

WON: 5
Drawn: 9
Lost: 12

That equates to, as has been pointed out already in this thread: 26 points from 78 available.

Some people would say that concentrating on just this year is a bit one-sided. OK, let's factor in the rest of his Premier League games:

Played:35
Won: 10
Drawn: 11
Lost: 14

Which equates to 41 points from 105 available. He's lost more than he's won in the Premiership. In fact, he's drawn more than he's won in the Premiership too. That's a points conversion percentage of 39%.

Still want to apologise for him?

 

[Captain Spur]

Still we could always get Joe Bloggs in to be the manager, he would do a great job !!

Where would the Arse be now if they had sacked Wenger early doors ?

Or Man U if they had sacked Red nose ??

Both were doing crap at the time ?

When did Wenger do crap with Arsenal? I can't remember, could that be because he never did crap with them.

Old Rudolph did have a rough start with Man U for some years but I don't believe he was ever in this position of poop. He was simply not winning them leagues or trophies.

Ramos is just speedily dragging us into the Championship, never mind though he did win us the League Cup.

 

[SpurSince57]

Arsenal got third place in Wenger's first season and did the double in his second.

United were never worse than mid-table and actually finished second in Beetroot-Face's second season. Winning the cup in his fourth saved his bacon.

 

[wojch]

Bring on Klinsmann. As a manager or even a player, don't really care.

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

Our priority for this season is very simple: we need to avoid relegation. That's it. Nothing else matters.

If we think that Ramos can keep us up, then we stick with him. Sadly, I've seen absolutely nothing this season to indicate that he can do it. When you also take into account last season's post-CC performances, it looks even grimmer. I'm not saying that if we stick with Ramos we will definitely go down, but there are zero signs on the pitch that things will improve.

If you look at the other teams in the bottom 6, all have reasons to feel fairly optimistic. They have all won games, have scored quite a few goals and all have shown that they are up for a fight. Even Newcastle have improved markedly under Kinnear. Indeed, I think it's worth contrasting our loss against Stoke with Newcastle's draw against Man City. Ramos said after the game that once we had a player sent off, the game was over. I can't imagine Kinnear (a very limited manager) saying the same thing. His team showed enough fight that in the end they were unlucky to end up with only a draw.

I don't think many fans take any pleasure in the current situation. Even those (such as myself) who were massive Jol fans were hoping that we could have a few years of stability and progress under Ramos. Much as it's tempting to say "I told you so," about the sacking of Jol and the sale of Malbranque, Tainio, Chimbonda etc, I think most fans want to show Ramos some loyalty and give him time. It's just that as a team, we may not have much more time to give him before we're doomed to go down.

 

[pagevee]

Alright. How about this?

His 2008 Premiership record:

Played: 26
Won: 5

I'll say that again:

WON: 5
Drawn: 9
Lost: 12

That equates to, as has been pointed out already in this thread: 26 points from 78 available.

Some people would say that concentrating on just this year is a bit one-sided. OK, let's factor in the rest of his Premier League games:

Played:35
Won: 10
Drawn: 11
Lost: 14

Which equates to 41 points from 105 available. He's lost more than he's won in the Premiership. In fact, he's drawn more than he's won in the Premiership too. That's a points conversion percentage of 39%.

Still want to apologise for him?

Nope, it is his responsibility to apologize. Just wanted the facts and not an exaggerated time scale. I think you are well within your rights as a fan to be upset. I just thought adding the off season to a time scale was silly.

"SAF didn't win a premiership game for 3 months either. He must be shit..."
Just pointing out the irrelevance of those three months being included. The facts speak for themselves and don't need embellishing. Unfortunate, I know but realistic. I will support the team, coach, and management until they leave. Doesn't make me happy with the situation though.

Still, it is easier for myself to be patient from my computer across the pond than for you guys. I'm not having people take the piss out of me every day at work and in my social life. I want the situation turned around immediately but sometimes a step back is necessary to move forward. For the resume Ramos has, he should be capable of changing this situation. I just know that all the negativity does not help. Supporting is a funny thing, it requires patience and trust more than anything else. Both of these things are being strained to the breaking point currently at Spurs. Hopefully they will be rewarded. Ramos and the squad need to learn from their mistakes. My greatest fear is that they don't learn anything.

 

[milkman]

What, we'll end up in league 2 playing bloody Aldershot if we do that!

OI! Aldershot are a good team, support them because they are my local side...

They are doing much better than Tottenham at the moment and way better atmosphere at home matches!


Been near to converting to 100% supporting Aldershot, but I could never turn my back against the mighty YIDS!

 

[stemark44]

We were very lucky to do so well against Sunderland. Great game to be at but without Cerny's saves they would have been level or beating us before Keane came on to score his 100.

24 points from 26 games (78 points) pretty much shows that it isn't all about the new players that Ramos and Comolli have brought in, or indeed the players they have let go.

Clueless and Rudderless pretty much sums up 2008. Aside from those three games in the League Cup which weren't really Ramos' side as he has demonstrated by chopping it to pieces.

That is the big deciding factor for me it doesn't really make a great deal of difference what players he has at his disposal.
I feel devastated for the club and the fans - we all hoped that Ramos would be the ONE!!!!!!!
I can't see any positives in keeping him now and if we do - without a doubt,we will be relegated.