Dele Alli at Everton

[St José Dominguez]

Barely anyone was playing well Poch’s final season and barely anyone was playing well for big chunk of this year. This idea he hasn’t deserved spot on merit is utter rubbish when everyone apart from Kane and maybe Son has been shit at various moments the last couple years.

He was very good Jose’s first few games, dipped again then we had covid and then he had a good pre season. This idea he’s had his chances is a complete lie, and he’s basically being asked to drop a 9/10 in a single game to remain here when others have been bang average all year.

The only reason he may not remain here is because he a) doesn’t fit the system b) can bring in money or c) he’s fallen out with Jose. Lucas and Bergwijn have been awful so far this season, no way Dele wouldn’t perform as good/poor as them in overall play plus he’d score more than them too.

 

[even steven]

Agreed, totally and 100%

Dele was poor for quite a while before Jose came in. Bit harsh to make this comparison

 

[double0]

Ok replace that with 'system' if you like.

The point I was trying to make was that we don't play with a second striker anymore, which is seemingly the only position Alli truly excels at. He's potentially world class in that position but neither Mourinho nor late-era Poch were willing to build a team around him, so he's been forced into a role where he's far less effective.

We've persevered for long enough - at some point we have to just accept he's not a great no.10 and either relegate him to a squad role or sell him.

Ok fine but ask yourself this. Dele in all the time his been at Spurs has been asked to play in that position. Lets be fair overall his been successful ie goals and assists. Out of all the players in our squad to make this transition Dele is the standout player, Kane Son Moura Lamela don't really have to change positions, Dele has to evolve just as Kane will have to once Son and Bale are in the team. Has he really be given the chance to adapt?
During Poch season to CL final and up to the last game against Sheff Utd he did play Dele in a number of positions due to lack of options Dele even mentioned he played CM at MK Dons. Without rambling on to much the point I'm trying to get across is I feel he should be given at least a season to adapt to a new style... I believe he can play as part of a midfield 3 forward 3 false 9 or 10 I think his that good he can adjust.

 

[Timberwolf]

Ok fine but ask yourself this. Dele in all the time his been at Spurs has been asked to play in that position. Lets be fair overall his been successful ie goals and assists. Out of all the players in our squad to make this transition Dele is the standout player, Kane Son Moura Lamela don't really have to change positions, Dele has to evolve just Kane will have to once Son and Bale are in the team. Has he really be given the chance to adapt?
During Poch season to CL final and up to the last game against Sheff Utd he did play Dele in a number of positions due to lack of options Dele even mentioned he played CM at MK Dons. With rambling on the point I'm trying to get across is I feel he should be given at least a season to adapt to a new style... I believe he can play as part of a midfield 3 forward 3 false 9 or 10 I think his that good he can adjust.

He's had the best part of 3 seasons to adjust to being a number 10 and if anything he's getting worse as he can't rely on Eriksen to pick him out. It's not a Mourinho/Poch thing, it's a position on the pitch thing. He's also been played in a midfield 3, a forward 3 and a false 9 at various points under Poch, Mourinho and for England, and he's not great at any of them. He's too slow out wide, too weak up top, and too average in CM.

We'll have to agree to disagree here as I think we just have different opinions on his ability. I used to think Dele could be all the things you've mentioned, but as the years have passed I've just come to the conclusion that he's just not that good if you don't play him in his best position. I think he's a bloody brilliant shadow striker and generally a bit average everywhere else.

Sure he'll pop up with the odd lovely goal and beautiful flick, but he'll also just piss away possession constantly, dally on the ball, and generally make you wish you had a proper wide forward, no.10 or CM instead of him playing instead.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Ok fine but ask yourself this. Dele in all the time his been at Spurs has been asked to play in that position. Lets be fair overall his been successful ie goals and assists. Out of all the players in our squad to make this transition Dele is the standout player, Kane Son Moura Lamela don't really have to change positions, Dele has to evolve just as Kane will have to once Son and Bale are in the team. Has he really be given the chance to adapt?
During Poch season to CL final and up to the last game against Sheff Utd he did play Dele in a number of positions due to lack of options Dele even mentioned he played CM at MK Dons. Without rambling on to much the point I'm trying to get across is I feel he should be given at least a season to adapt to a new style... I believe he can play as part of a midfield 3 forward 3 false 9 or 10 I think his that good he can adjust.

Everyone can give their opinion all they want but no one has a clue how good or useless he’d be in the below starting lineup because he’s never had that chance, personally I think he’d score a bundle but who knows. Obvs Bale plays when fit but just an example as i’d have him ahead of Lucas, Lamela and Bergwijn every day of the week.

Lloris
Doherty Sanchez Alderweireld Reguilon
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso Ndombele
Dele Kane Son​

 

[Phil-spur99]

And yet he's still scored more than Dele since he arrived

Does that take into account Dele’s injuries? Not sure how many Dele scored in the season up until Moura arrived but are the figures close?

Might be controversial but I think Moura flatters to device for someone in his position. His first touch is surprisingly unreliable for someone whose main strength is speed and dribbling.

 

[THOWIG]

Love the guy and would be delighted if he stayed and showed the Dele of old, but sadly I feel he hasn't show any signs of progression over the last 2 even 3 years for me.

 

[thekneaf]

Barely anyone was playing well Poch’s final season and barely anyone was playing well for big chunk of this year. This idea he hasn’t deserved spot on merit is utter rubbish when everyone apart from Kane and maybe Son has been shit at various moments the last couple years.

He was very good Jose’s first few games, dipped again then we had covid and then he had a good pre season. This idea he’s had his chances is a complete lie, and he’s basically being asked to drop a 9/10 in a single game to remain here when others have been bang average all year.

The only reason he may not remain here is because he a) doesn’t fit the system b) can bring in money or c) he’s fallen out with Jose. Lucas and Bergwijn have been awful so far this season, no way Dele wouldn’t perform as good/poor as them in overall play plus he’d score more than them too.

I don't think anyone is arguing he's been awful. Has his form dipped? Yes. Is that down to the team form impacting him? Most likely yes. He's not a scapegoat, he's a player with value that we need to trigger to fund a true CF and or a CB. Think Coutinho at Liverpool.
The system we play has over the last year drifted from one that plays to his strengths to one that plays to Son's.
Re Lucas and Bergwijn, yeh, they're not great but we have Bale there now and has Dele played much off the right? Honest question, because I can't remember him playing there. If he hasn't then he's not competing with them for that slot.

 

[SpursSvedala]

Just putting this here

World's most expensive young player: Dele Alli worth more than Kylian Mbappe and Ousmane Dembele according to Soccerex report | Goal.com India

Tottenham Hotspur star Dele Alli has been named as the most expensive player under 21, having been valued over €20 million more than Kylian Mbappe.

www.goal.com

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Like many I would be very disappointed to see Dele leave, I hope he turns it around here and stays but seems less likely, especially with Hercs new itk info. If we do let him go this window by selling i hope that money would be used on someone like Aouar, i know itk says uk based player, but Auoar money wise would be easily get able money wise if we sold Dele for says 50M for example.

 

[JCRD]

We've got Skriniar
Milan Skriniar
I just don't think you understand
He only cost 40 mill plus add ons
He's better than Sebastien Bassong
We've got Milan Skriniar

Oh wow

 

[St José Dominguez]

I don't think anyone is arguing he's been awful. Has his form dipped? Yes. Is that down to the team form impacting him? Most likely yes. He's not a scapegoat, he's a player with value that we need to trigger to fund a true CF and or a CB. Think Coutinho at Liverpool.
The system we play has over the last year drifted from one that plays to his strengths to one that plays to Son's.
Re Lucas and Bergwijn, yeh, they're not great but we have Bale there now and has Dele played much off the right? Honest question, because I can't remember him playing there. If he hasn't then he's not competing with them for that slot.

Well with it likely being a loan I’d rule out this being used to fund anything to be honest.

 

[thekneaf]

Well with it likely being a loan I’d rule out this being used to fund anything to be honest.

A loan frees up wage bill and will stop everyone moaning about losing the next Salah. It's a win win!

 

[double0]

Like many I would be very disappointed to see Dele leave, I hope he turns it around here and stays but seems less likely, especially with Hercs new itk info. If we do let him go this window by selling i hope that money would be used on someone like Aouar, i know itk says uk based player, but Auoar money wise would be easily get able money wise if we sold Dele for says 50M for example.

Auoar used to play in a three with Ndombele however Mourinho loves Hojbjerg and Lo Celso. I personally would be selling a vast number of players before Alli. If Dele has to leave and tbh it's looking likely ( as sad as I'd be Tottenham is my first love) We need another Goal threat assist player ie Grealish Greenwood type of player to replace to goals and assists unless you see Bale as the ready replacement

 

[NorthernMonkey]

Would love to have the Dele from a couple of years back, but barring a handful of games when Jose first arrived, we haven't seen it on a consistent basis for a long time.
Love the guy, but he doesn't seem to be able to contribute in the way we need him to on a regular basis and I now can't work out where he'd play in our current side/formation.
If someone is willing to pay top dollar, then potentially investing that money in a creative attacking mid to rotate with Gio or giving extra funds to get a better quality of striker we desperately need, then I'd let him go.
Sad as I always like to see young British players come through and be successful in the first team. Thought Jose might turn him in to Lampard mk2, but for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be working out.

 

[DiVaio]

And yet he's still scored more than Dele since he arrived

Wingers/strikers scores more than 10 so it's not that surprising. That also doesn't change the fact he's horrible

 

[thekneaf]

Everyone can give their opinion all they want but no one has a clue how good or useless he’d be in the below starting lineup because he’s never had that chance, personally I think he’d score a bundle but who knows. Obvs Bale plays when fit but just an example as i’d have him ahead of Lucas, Lamela and Bergwijn every day of the week.

Lloris
Doherty Sanchez Alderweireld Reguilon
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso Ndombele
Dele Kane Son​

Has Dele ever played wide right of a three?

 

[luRRka]

Wingers/strikers scores more than 10 so it's not that surprising. That also doesn't change the fact he's horrible

I'd say it was more indicative of how few goals Dele has since 31st January 2018 when Lucas arrived than how good Lucas has been. Dele's goals have dried up massively in the last 18 months

 

[spursfan77]

O my gosh did you put Cantwell and Dele Alli in the same sentence. That's the problem with so many Spurs supporters they don't appreciate certain players until they've gone. Kyle Walker used to get buried in here many people claimed we are a better team without Kane. Lets talk about the last two years many people seem to jump on the bandwagon about Dele curtailing. The whole team performance had steadily declined we failed to invest in the squad when we needed to due to lack of investments Kane Dele got slogged with games amounting with reoccurring injuries. Dele's suffered reoccurring hamstrings Kane Ankles in the case of Dele it was very hard on a players who has running and sprint stats like he does

If Dele has to go ahead ( I have come to the end of always defending him - he divides so much opinions) of certain players in our squad that offer nothing it will be a crying shame even the suggestion of Alli leaving to fund Skiniar doesn't sit at all well with me either. Mourinho is what he is no doubt a winner but I do question his method.

I sometimes think people just want transfers to happen for transfers sake.

 

[double0]

I'd say it was more indicative of how few goals Dele has since 31st January 2018 when Lucas arrived than how good Lucas has been. Dele's goals have dried up massively in the last 18 months

That may be the case however his numbers are still impressive when you factor time on field