Dele Alli at Everton

[DannyNZ]

Unless we play 4-2-3-1 and he plays just off Kane and has someone like Eriksen playing in the deep lying CM role or Wide role who can find him with clever passes when he makes his 3rd man runs, otherwise he slows down our play and we are better without him in the team.

Took Nuno a while to realise it but seems like he gets it now.

Nuno a slow learner but he got there

 

[sammyj]

Sadly not needed anymore

 

[djhotspur]

Yup. Him and winks moved on, 1 cdm who is deep lying play maker in. 1 of berg, Moura, Clarke moved on, right winger who ideally can score in. 2 of Sanchez, dier, Rodon moved on and a class partner for Romero in please. Then back for Kane if Scarlett doesn’t develop.

 

[Locotoro]

Yup. Him and winks moved on, 1 cdm who is deep lying play maker in. 1 of berg, Moura, Clarke moved on, right winger who ideally can score in. 2 of Sanchez, dier, Rodon moved on and a class partner for Romero in please. Then back for Kane if Scarlett doesn’t develop.

Make sure you click save on that Football Manager game you've got running.

 

[djhotspur]

Make sure you click save on that Football Manager game you've got running.

Haha a man can dream! I think that’s all plausible, it’s not huge changes. According to reports Sanchez, winks, berg, Moura were actively wanted, so I’m sure the other 2 can get moved on too. Clarke I’m sure someone will buy for 5 mil or something. With the revenue generated from full stadiums hopefully next summer we are better financially too.

 

[Locotoro]

Dele still has a place in our team.
Nuno COULD recreate the same system that Poch had with GLC off the right and Son off the left and Dele in behind Kane (Hojbjerg and Skipp playing deep). I think today showed that we can play that pressing style and fast forward passes and against a lot of teams Dele could do well what with GLC making those passes...
But....i don't think it will happen. Nuno has always liked to play pacy wingers in those WF roles and even with GLC playing RWF recently, that was only to accommodate Dele in LCM and Ndombele at RCM which didn't work.

 

[Locotoro]

Haha a man can dream! I think that’s all plausible, it’s not huge changes. According to reports Sanchez, winks, berg, Moura were actively wanted, so I’m sure the other 2 can get moved on too. Clarke I’m sure someone will buy for 5 mil or something. With the revenue generated from full stadiums hopefully next summer we are better financially too.

I hope you're wrong about the stadiums because I think it suits us to be in a buyer's market where we are stronger going out and buying who we need instead of competing against the likes of Inter, Juventus and Atleticos of this world. You'll always have the Real, City's, Chelsea and PSG's of this world. But if we're stronger than everyone else financially that suits me

 

[faze_coys]

Unless we play 4-2-3-1 and he plays just off Kane and has someone like Eriksen playing in the deep lying CM role or Wide role who can find him with clever passes when he makes his 3rd man runs, otherwise he slows down our play and we are better without him in the team.

Took Nuno a while to realise it but seems like he gets it now.

Will be interesting how he is managed if he doesn't play regularly as he kicks up a right old sulk when he doesn't play and to be fair to Dele he seems to have really got his head down and worked hard recently so I do feel a bit bad for him if he's now out the team again but ultimately he's a very niche specific player.

He should never play off Kane because he becomes too easy to mark, he needs to play from either of the wings so he can drift freely, but even this only works if we play attacking fullbacks that will occupy the opposition fullback

 

[Aphex]

Dele still has a place in our team.
Nuno COULD recreate the same system that Poch had with GLC off the right and Son off the left and Dele in behind Kane (Hojbjerg and Skipp playing deep). I think today showed that we can play that pressing style and fast forward passes and against a lot of teams Dele could do well what with GLC making those passes...
But....i don't think it will happen. Nuno has always liked to play pacy wingers in those WF roles and even with GLC playing RWF recently, that was only to accommodate Dele in LCM and Ndombele at RCM which didn't work.

Fast passes and Alli in the same sentence? Lol.

 

[Japhet]

Same old conundrum with Dele. Where do you fit him into a team and how big a detrimental effect does it have when you do? He's been average at best for 3 seasons now and his inclusion in any lineup weakens us somewhere else. If he was popping up and scoring goals you'd probably make that concession, but unlike the early days, we now have a load more depth and have improved our first team options. Levy undoubtedly still thinks he's worth a huge fee and he does seem to be working harder of late, but he simply isn't a starting option for us and if he can't get regular games things will only get worse I'm afraid.

 

[Ginol-ooh!]

I don't want to die on this hill, and don't think I'll post anymore in this thread (not that it really matters or that anyone would notice), but it does seem like if Dele has a bad couple of games the reaction is so much worse than if other players have a bad run of games.

This may be fair enough in some ways, and I agree that we were better without him in the middle against Villa, but I don't think he has been that bad this season overall. He was one of our better players in our first three wins in the league. He was bad in the games we lost in the league (along with everyone else), and he has been pretty good against Wolves and in a couple of European games.

I think he tries too hard, and too often tries to force passes that aren't on, and dithers on the ball a bit, and can completely accept there's a lot he needs to improve on, but I feel like a bit of perspective is lost when he has a bad game compared to other players.

 

[cozzo]

I think he slows down too many attacks and tries unnecessary flicks and nutmegs, which don’t even lead to anything.

 

[Hakkz]

I don't want to die on this hill, and don't think I'll post anymore in this thread (not that it really matters or that anyone would notice), but it does seem like if Dele has a bad couple of games the reaction is so much worse than if other players have a bad run of games.

This may be fair enough in some ways, and I agree that we were better without him in the middle against Villa, but I don't think he has been that bad this season overall. He was one of our better players in our first three wins in the league. He was bad in the games we lost in the league (along with everyone else), and he has been pretty good against Wolves and in a couple of European games.

I think he tries too hard, and too often tries to force passes that aren't on, and dithers on the ball a bit, and can completely accept there's a lot he needs to improve on, but I feel like a bit of perspective is lost when he has a bad game compared to other players.

Not true. Spend some time in the Dier, Winks or Doherty threads.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I don't want to die on this hill, and don't think I'll post anymore in this thread (not that it really matters or that anyone would notice), but it does seem like if Dele has a bad couple of games the reaction is so much worse than if other players have a bad run of games.

This may be fair enough in some ways, and I agree that we were better without him in the middle against Villa, but I don't think he has been that bad this season overall. He was one of our better players in our first three wins in the league. He was bad in the games we lost in the league (along with everyone else), and he has been pretty good against Wolves and in a couple of European games.

I think he tries too hard, and too often tries to force passes that aren't on, and dithers on the ball a bit, and can completely accept there's a lot he needs to improve on, but I feel like a bit of perspective is lost when he has a bad game compared to other players.

I think it’s the opposite. He’s got away with it for far too long because we’ve been hoping that ‘the old’ dele would suddenly appear again

I think the penny has finally dropped for the overwhelming majority

I fear we’ve still got 1 or 2 more painful years before 99% realise that Dier & Ndombele shouldn’t be starters in the Premier League for a team that wants to finish top half

Obviously Tanguy should be, more’s the pity!

 

[smallsnc]

Think he will still have some good games for us if we keep playing the 4-2-3-1 which suits him much more than the 4-3-3 Nuno was trying to shoe horn the team into. Not saying he should be first choice but need to see some consistency from either GLC or TN against PL competition before I am convinced they are the answers. Ultimately, can say Gil playing along the 3 with Son and Moura being our best line up.

 

[rossdapep]

Nuno a slow learner but he got there

To be fair in these kinds of scenarios I think it's better a coach gives players plenty of opportunities for the long term benefit.

If Nuno had sidelines him from the start of benched him after one bad performance, he'd be tempted to go back to him. But by giving him multiple opportunities and realising that it doesn't matter what system you put him in or what motivation you give him, he isn't going to work, it ensures that he is now likely to not see him as an option again. At least you'd hope so.

 

[Ginol-ooh!]

Not true. Spend some time in the Dier, Winks or Doherty threads.

That's a fair point. I'd say the same could be said for Dier also. He's generally alright when he has a good screening midfielder in front of him, like most defenders really. I think it has just become difficult for a few players to change the narrative that's been written of them and that if they have a bad game then they get piled into in a way that other players don't.

It just seemed weird yesterday, that instead of celebrating a good team performance a lot of the match thread posts were saying how Dele shouldn't play again. It creates a bit of a negative atmosphere even when we win. I understand people want what's best for the team though, but I don't really see the need to lay into him when he didn't even set foot on the pitch. He might have had a good game if he did for all we know.

 

[double0]

That's a fair point. I'd say the same could be said for Dier also. He's generally alright when he has a good screening midfielder in front of him, like most defenders really. I think it has just become difficult for a few players to change the narrative that's been written of them and that if they have a bad game then they get piled into in a way that other players don't.

It just seemed weird yesterday, that instead of celebrating a good team performance a lot of the match thread posts were saying how Dele shouldn't play again. It creates a bit of a negative atmosphere even when we win. I understand people want what's best for the team though, but I don't really see the need to lay into him when he didn't even set foot on the pitch. He might have had a good game if he did for all we know.

Exactly this... Unfortunately the narrative is set, shame really.

 

[Stamford]

I don't want to die on this hill, and don't think I'll post anymore in this thread (not that it really matters or that anyone would notice), but it does seem like if Dele has a bad couple of games the reaction is so much worse than if other players have a bad run of games.

This may be fair enough in some ways, and I agree that we were better without him in the middle against Villa, but I don't think he has been that bad this season overall. He was one of our better players in our first three wins in the league. He was bad in the games we lost in the league (along with everyone else), and he has been pretty good against Wolves and in a couple of European games.

I think he tries too hard, and too often tries to force passes that aren't on, and dithers on the ball a bit, and can completely accept there's a lot he needs to improve on, but I feel like a bit of perspective is lost when he has a bad game compared to other players.

He's been given more chances than anyone else so I think your being very generous

 

[Aphex]

He's been given more chances than anyone else so I think your being very generous

Yeah totally it's a ridiculous take. Despite not performing for over 3 seasons now, he has been given loads of chances under multiple managers. It took Poch ages to work it out and drop him, towards the end of his reign Alli became a bench warmer. Then Jose came in, played him, Alli played well for 6 games then reverted to type again and was awful. Jose dropped him totally and rightfully. Nuno comes in, for some reason picks Alli, he got himself fit but the rest of his game was typically awful, seems Nuno has clocked on now and dropped him. There is no way abck for him, picking Alli will literally cost the manager his job, because it weakens us so badly.

He has been given plenty of chances over many seasons. 'When he has a bad game' makes it sound like he's normally good and a bad game is a rarity.

Some people really need to accept he isn't the player they thought he was going to be.

He should be top of the list of players to move on, along with Sanchez, Doherty etc