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Dele Alli ranked No1 in FourFourTwo's 59 Best Under-21 Wonderkids in the World

Blake Griffin

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Something needs to be done with the PL clubs as either the youth scouting or coaching obviously leave a lot to be desired.

or neither. the problem is that pl clubs have so much money that they can go out and buy a ready-made version of the young player they already have so they end up stalling their development.
 

For the love of Spurs

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The amount of quality players Man City have coming through is nuts. The difference between them and Chelsea loaning players. Man Citys will possibly make it to the first team whereas Chelsea do it for money alone.

More about quality than quantity, you can't use 11 youth players when you have KDB and Aguero already. Better to produce just a few exceptional players than a bundle of good ones.

We are in a great position as Marcus Edwards, Harry Winks and Cameron Carter-Vickers do look like they belong in the exceptional bracket.
 

double0

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Yep! Good player with lots and lots of potential, but is over hyped and in my opinion not the best under 21 despite what you and Four Four Two may think. Love him as a Spurs player and am always willing him to do well, but I dont wear lily white tinted glasses.
I wouldn't say he's overhyped. From the level Alli has come from to where he is operating now, it is a remarkable sight to see and scoring goals in big games should not be taken lightly...I can't think of many u21 players that are better then Dele Alli in his position (his position the key word)

People talk about Alli's first touch at times and tumbling nature but consider the goals and assists you quickly realise there's a special talent developing in front of our eyes.
 

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I think ranking him at no.1 is quite ambitious as there are some very very good players in that list, but you certainly can't ignore the current talent of Dele and the potential he's got.

I think there are areas of his game that need improvement, most notably his passing and decision making, but his ability to get into goalscoring positions is uncanny, and he's very good at finishing them off.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he reminds me a lot of Lampard. I was never really sure what Lampard was good at, but at the end of the day he scored a boat load of goals, and if we can get Alli doing that (well he already is) then he is going to be a huge part of our squad for years to come.
 

TottenhamLegend

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Personally I'd rate Renato Sanches or Ousmane Dembele at number 1 on that list, however Dele is certainly a supreme talent and is fully deserving of being in the top 5!
 

Danny1

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Yep, agree, and I can do without the silly "Oh yeah he's shit mate" eye rolling on here as if anyone thinks that, like we should just accept that all our players are amazing without comment.

F365 review of him for England sums up so many of his Spurs games;

"DELE ALLI: I like Dele, I really do, but in his last few games for England, he has looked worryingly casual. Nobody should be getting dispossessed five times by Malta; nobody should be losing the ball a further three times with a poor touch. When contrasted with the energy and movement of Lingard, Alli looked a bit too comfortable with his England place. He should be gently reminded of the existence of Adam Lallana.

Scored once but really should have been a hat-trick; he hit the keeper with his header and then should have scored from a late chance created by Marcus Rashford. If we gave numbers, he would have been lucky to get a 7 despite the goal."

Personally think that comment is an incredibly lazy definition of his game. Young Alli is always going to be a player that loses the ball because he tries to take players on in tight situations. People just say he looks casual but that is his body shape more than the effort put in, he still regularly out runs most other players so he cant be that "worryingly casual".

The guy references Lingard, who I might add constantly gave the ball away against Malta (fails to mention that), and says he had energy & movement, yet he created absolutely zero chances and didnt pose a goal threat against a lowly Malta, add to the fact that Lingard turns 24 in 6 weeks against Dele Alli turning 20 just 6 months ago then it shows what a lazy comparison that is to make.

He then says to remember the existence of Lallana......seriously what the hell? The very same Lallana who gives the ball away cheaply and has scored a mighty 1 goal in 27 games for England.....! It is typically British to find fault when looking at the better things, Dele Alli is by far our most dangerous player for England (compare to Sturridge & its no contest) and yes he should have had a hat trick, but then no one else got any chances so they must be doing a lot worse........!
 

Danny1

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Personally I'd rate Renato Sanches or Ousmane Dembele at number 1 on that list, however Dele is certainly a supreme talent and is fully deserving of being in the top 5!

Renato Sanches I can see, however Dembele has played 6 games for Dortmund.....6! Alli outscored all bar 2 midfielders in the Prem League last year so Dembele has some catching up to do.
 

TottenhamLegend

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Renato Sanches I can see, however Dembele has played 6 games for Dortmund.....6! Alli outscored all bar 2 midfielders in the Prem League last year so Dembele has some catching up to do.
Dembele also played a full season in Ligue 1 last season, winning the YPOTY much like Alli, and scoring 12 goals in the process for a mid-table team. He's also a year younger than Alli, so the fact he's done all that is arguably more impressive.

Anyway, it's all subjective, and I'm just glad we have Alli!
 

mill

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I think ranking him at no.1 is quite ambitious as there are some very very good players in that list, but you certainly can't ignore the current talent of Dele and the potential he's got.

I think there are areas of his game that need improvement, most notably his passing and decision making, but his ability to get into goalscoring positions is uncanny, and he's very good at finishing them off.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he reminds me a lot of Lampard. I was never really sure what Lampard was good at, but at the end of the day he scored a boat load of goals, and if we can get Alli doing that (well he already is) then he is going to be a huge part of our squad for years to come.

Consistency was his greatest strength imo, no great frills but consistently scored 15-20 goals per season and never really put in bad performances.

Alli has a bit more magic about him imo
 

DogsOfWar

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Dembele also played a full season in Ligue 1 last season, winning the YPOTY much like Alli, and scoring 12 goals in the process for a mid-table team. He's also a year younger than Alli, so the fact he's done all that is arguably more impressive.

Anyway, it's all subjective, and I'm just glad we have Alli!

I've only watched Dembele the once for Dortmund and I saw enough to agree with you.

I thought he had it all, touch, pace, control of the ball, and most importantly excellent decision making.
Frighteningly good for his age.
 

walworthyid

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Reading through some of the comments on this thread I think a lot of people don't realise the fact that loads of these players will never reach their full potential. There have been countless "next peles/Maradonas etc but where are they?

The reason Alli is rated so highly is because he is already doing what many of those players never will, namely operating at the very highest levels of the game. He is an automatic starter for both his team and his country and routinely produces moments of absolute top quality player. Yes he makes mistakes, but he is a really special player already.

Those other player mostly just have the potential to do what alli is already doing week in and week out.
 

spurs9

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Next gerard? Very poor comparison imo. If he is to play in the n10 position more often he needs to really work on turning with the ball and that first touch which seems predictable right now. Hes got a frustrating knack of turning into defenders and veing predictable in that sense. A top quality young player though.

Just to add....Vdv was epic on the turn and with hus back to goal!! God i miss him still:cry:
Gerard was playing as a DM at Alli's age.
 

spurs9

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The amount of quality players Man City have coming through is nuts. The difference between them and Chelsea loaning players. Man Citys will possibly make it to the first team whereas Chelsea do it for money alone.
Not sure I agree with that. Out of the 4 players on that list 2 are out on loan and Sane was bought for 37m, so is the equivalent of Chelsea buying Hazard. They also have others out on loan such as Roberts, Unal, Zinchenko, Zuculini, Denayer, Ntcham. Out of the 10 players mentioned, only 4 were bought prior to this season, so it is far too early to tell how they will do.

They also have some players they had a few years back that didn't make it such as Guidetti, Boyata, Rekik and Nastasic.

I also think that Chelsea's Da Silva, Abraham, Solanke, T.Chalobah and Musonda have just as much chance of making an appearance than all but Iheanacho, Sane and Gabriel Jesus on the list of 10 players I mentioned and only 1 of those players cost under 27m.
 
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