Did the players have a part to play?

[Montasura]

As the title suggests I'm wondering if any of the players have had a part to play in the final decision to sack AVB.

Normally I'm one to preach about patience and sticking with a manager and trying to get some consistence at the club for a change. Afterall there was the whole "project" (what of the project now??). And then on paper we have AVB as having the best win percentage of any Spurs manager since 1899. in theory he shouldn't have been sacked.

However in this case I think it had to happen because it seemed to me (although more a hunch than anything) that he no longer had the support of the players. They've looked completely uninterested lately, perhaps even as frustrated with AVB's style of play as the fans. We have forward thinking attacking players there who simply weren't given the chance to express themselves.

So it leads me to wonder if, just like his time at Chelsea, any of the players eventually approached Levy and said enough is enough, we all know we can do better but the gaffer won't let us.

 

[al_pacino]

They played their part in being on the pitch for the poor results but I don't see the players that would go to the chairman behind the managers back.

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

As the title suggests I'm wondering if any of the players have had a part to play in the final decision to sack AVB.

Normally I'm one to preach about patience and sticking with a manager and trying to get some consistence at the club for a change. Afterall there was the whole "project" (what of the project now??). And then on paper we have AVB as having the best win percentage of any Spurs manager since 1899. in theory he shouldn't have been sacked.

However in this case I think it had to happen because it seemed to me (although more a hunch than anything) that he no longer had the support of the players. They've looked completely uninterested lately, perhaps even as frustrated with AVB's style of play as the fans. We have forward thinking attacking players there who simply weren't given the chance to express themselves.

So it leads me to wonder if, just like his time at Chelsea, any of the players eventually approached Levy and said enough is enough, we all know we can do better but the gaffer won't let us.

I don't really know what to take from this, but I know that the Facebook statement said that a termination of contract was for the best interest of both parties, and that Hugo also said a final thanks to AVB for what he's done. I also remember someone saying that the team was behind AVB. He shouldn't have been sacked based on the table alone - 8 points off top in December is definitely recoverable (heck, le Arse do it every season).

But Tottenham is also a club that believes the game should be played a certain way, and whether or not it was AVB's tactics that stifled that style of play or something else, with the players we have, we shouldn't be losing by these margins. I'm just disappointed, as it means the media have won. Maybe that's what helped motivate the board to make this decision.

 

[E.L.Strict]

Personally I am very upset with our players right now. I have that emotion of not feeling like I want to look them in the eye. There is no way they have all been trying, and personally I think it is obvious that some of them wanted this to happen. It hurts me because they will accept a 6-0, or a 5-0, or a 3-0 to prove their point, but they haven't cared about us fans at all.

For those doubters, it will all come out in time, I'm sure of that. Every manager has to put up with the same shit and lack of support. Redknapp had player mutinies, Ramos had player mutinies, Jol had mutinies along with an openly upsupportive board and Kemsely seemingly trying to push Redknapp in, along with Commolli, Santini had player mutinities, Hoddle the same plus Pleat working against him trying to get the job. George Graham was sacked for a clearly fictitious reason because he wasn't wanted and may have beaten Arsenal.

Until we sort out the chain of command we won't get anywhere, welcome back to being a joke club. I blame the players firstly, because they haven't all been trying their hardest, and secondly Levy, for undermining pretty much all the managers he himself appointed. I know nothing about management, but if I had the 100% support of the players I guarantee you I wouldn't lose any games by 5 or 6.

 

[JollyHappy]

I bet, if asked, Dawson would have said that he was being asked to play in a way which made him look like an idiot. In a 442 defence with a sensible line, Dawson is a solid defender. In AVB's system he was like Bambi on Ice!

 

[SpursManChris]

I believe players ALWAYS have a part to play in a managers sacking. It's simple, the worse the performance of the team, the more the manager is placed under pressure to adapt. Therefore, it becomes a dangerous combination of poor performing players and poor management.

 

[youcef]

I don't know about the team as a whole.holtby was clearly upset in the game. Sandro seemed happy in the club judging from some videos . But what I know is well . Adebayor and BAE are clasless twats. tweeting that you're "happy" at a "good" game is not cool. I now understand why AVB didn't play them. and all of my man love for DiscoBenny is certainly gone now

 

[Donki]

Levy will have obviously talked to Baldini and Sherwood both of whom would have the ear of the other coaching staff and known what was going on in training and with the players attitude. I doubt if he spoke directly to the players regarding this, if a manager doesn't have the players support and confidence the games over and very little will turn it round.

Myself included had my head in the sand some what, the terrible perfomances and getting beat by such large margins when you have a squad of our ability really points to big problems, the time was up for him. We should never get thumped 5 nil at the Lane. We will know very soon in the next game, if we see a perfomance it will be very telling.

 

[idontgetit]

Personally I am very upset with our players right now. I have that emotion of not feeling like I want to look them in the eye. There is no way they have all been trying, and personally I think it is obvious that some of them wanted this to happen. It hurts me because they will accept a 6-0, or a 5-0, or a 3-0 to prove their point, but they haven't cared about us fans at all.

For those doubters, it will all come out in time, I'm sure of that. Every manager has to put up with the same shit and lack of support. Redknapp had player mutinies, Ramos had player mutinies, Jol had mutinies along with an openly upsupportive board and Kemsely seemingly trying to push Redknapp in, along with Commolli, Santini had player mutinities, Hoddle the same plus Pleat working against him trying to get the job. George Graham was sacked for a clearly fictitious reason because he wasn't wanted and may have beaten Arsenal.

Until we sort out the chain of command we won't get anywhere, welcome back to being a joke club. I blame the players firstly, because they haven't all been trying their hardest, and secondly Levy, for undermining pretty much all the managers he himself appointed. I know nothing about management, but if I had the 100% support of the players I guarantee you I wouldn't lose any games by 5 or 6.

I think they cared. Take a look at Holtby and Sandro interviews, you know they fucking care. They've all just been badly miss-used and have had their belief in themselves and the team poisoned by anti-football

 

[beats1]

I dont believe they did, because if they were playing bad we would be in alot worse position, individual brilliance at times is what has us in touch with top 4

 

[fortworthspur]

they're footballers - you can count on them to behave stupidly. its up to the manager to, well, manage them. I wont shed a tear for AVB.

 

[easley91]

This group of players care about results, to say they don't care when we get hammered is ridiculous.

 

[spursfan77]

they're footballers - you can count on them to behave stupidly. its up to the manager to, well, manage them. I wont shed a tear for AVB.

you're right about that

 

[Bus-Conductor]

As the title suggests I'm wondering if any of the players have had a part to play in the final decision to sack AVB.

Normally I'm one to preach about patience and sticking with a manager and trying to get some consistence at the club for a change. Afterall there was the whole "project" (what of the project now??). And then on paper we have AVB as having the best win percentage of any Spurs manager since 1899. in theory he shouldn't have been sacked.

However in this case I think it had to happen because it seemed to me (although more a hunch than anything) that he no longer had the support of the players. They've looked completely uninterested lately, perhaps even as frustrated with AVB's style of play as the fans. We have forward thinking attacking players there who simply weren't given the chance to express themselves.

So it leads me to wonder if, just like his time at Chelsea, any of the players eventually approached Levy and said enough is enough, we all know we can do better but the gaffer won't let us.

The looked uninterested at Sunderland ? Or even in what should have been a meaningless game against Ansi ?

I don't think there's much credence in this theory. He may well have got the sack for various reasons, and I can understand some of them even if I dot agree with them, but I'm pretty sure that's not one of them.

 

[beats1]

If anything the players prolonged his stay

 

[mpickard2087]

I think though the board may have wanted rid and instigated this, my instinct is that AVB isn't too unhappy about being out and that the 'mutual consent' claimed by the official site isn't too far from the truth. He seemed completely broken during the second half yesterday, I think he had accepted that it wasn't working and everything was going against him.

 

[ohtottenham!]

On another thread someone noticed that Lennon had given up. I'd never seen that before until yesterday. He has his faults, but his workrate has never been in question. Paulinho's not the sort to do that either, but it happened yesterday. Players have a part to play if you understand and trust their abilities.

 

[Charly***]

In the respect that they've looked increasingly bereft of ideas on the pitch & yesterday amongst the horrors of the unfolding events some of the increasingly desperate tackles suggested a level of frustration was creeping in.

All that points to a lack of direction so I'm not really sure they had to say anything to get the point across. It's a shame, I wanted to buy into it, there were promising signs initially but we've see little sign of anything positive in recent games. If whoever comes in gets us playing football again we'll soon forget, it's that that's the most important thing. Onwards and upwards. Via the lillywhite rollercoaster.

 

[easley91]

See the celebrations after the Cardiff winner for how much they care. From all the behind the scenes videos and what not, these players are a close knit bunch and I'm certain they'd fight for each other regardless who the head coach/manager is.

They just need the right man/men to let them express themselves and play the way they want to play fitting theur styles and thus bringing the best out of the lads.

 

[Kendall]

As the title suggests I'm wondering if any of the players have had a part to play in the final decision to sack AVB.

Normally I'm one to preach about patience and sticking with a manager and trying to get some consistence at the club for a change. Afterall there was the whole "project" (what of the project now??). And then on paper we have AVB as having the best win percentage of any Spurs manager since 1899. in theory he shouldn't have been sacked.

However in this case I think it had to happen because it seemed to me (although more a hunch than anything) that he no longer had the support of the players. They've looked completely uninterested lately, perhaps even as frustrated with AVB's style of play as the fans. We have forward thinking attacking players there who simply weren't given the chance to express themselves.

So it leads me to wonder if, just like his time at Chelsea, any of the players eventually approached Levy and said enough is enough, we all know we can do better but the gaffer won't let us.

Looking at Levy when they showed his face on the tellybox - he didn't need anything said by the players.