Do You Hate Liverpool?

[Coyboy]

Funny. Thats EXACTLY what other fans say about Spurs fans, especially the self entitled bit, and especially by Villa fans. They REALLY don't like you, dunno what you've done but it must be something bad.

Based on...?

 

[Spurger King]

Funny. Thats EXACTLY what other fans say about Spurs fans, especially the self entitled bit, and especially by Villa fans. They REALLY don't like you, dunno what you've done but it must be something bad.

I must have missed the bit where Villa fans hate our racist star player.

Shouldn't you be on a forum with your fellow bin dippers, feeling sorry for yourselves and pretending you're victims that are in no way considered a bunch of murderers in parts of Italy?

 

[Monkey boy]

Funny. Thats EXACTLY what other fans say about Spurs fans, especially the self entitled bit, and especially by Villa fans. They REALLY don't like you, dunno what you've done but it must be something bad.

You forgot to say Nah, Nah, Nah nah at the end. I must however say a well done to you for showing your face on here after your spectacular failure especially your gloating post about jizzing in the street when you win it etc.

 

[Toela65]

On RAWK they had a poll who they hate the most without Everton or United listed. Spurs were top, even above Chelsea by a few votes. It seemed totally unnecessary and strange. At Wembley we respected the minutes silence while Chelsea booed most of the way through it. There were plenty of Spurs fans who travelled up after Hilllsborough to lay flowers and scarves too. I don't hate them though

Most LFC fans (not me!) really dislike Spurs and Spurs fans as they think you're over self-entitled considering you were nothing in the PL until 2010 and felt after just a couple of good seasons some of your fans let it go to their head and started acting as if they were as good/as big as say Arsenal and Chelsea, when some of our fans viewed Spurs' at the same level as Everton and Villa (under o'neill).

Villa fans used to say same on VillaTalk as they felt you were no bigger than them so felt some Spurs fans got too big for their boots too quickly and started looking down at Villa when they hadn't earned their reputation as a top 4 'big' team yet. Felt Spurs fans were very short-termist and only looked at the last few seasons of their clubs history and ignored the previous decade of mid-table mediocrity. I don't agree with any of this as it hasn't been my experience with the vast majority of Spurs fans and its just over-generalising.

There was a Spurs fan on other boards such as VillaTalk, ReadyToGo (Sunderland) and I think RedCafe and he used to post a lot and was very arrogant and entitled and a bit snotty to what he perceived as "smaller clubs" and I can't help but feel a lot of the reason Sunderland/Villa/Mancs had a bad impression of Spurs fans was because of this guy. There was a whole thread about him and Spurs fans in general on Sunderland board he pised them off tht much.

I know this isn't the case but thats what gets said and what some believe. Now I bet that annoys you as you know it isn't true or that people are taking things the wrong way etc etc. Annoying isn't it and is exactly how I feel too.

We all need to remember though that these fans we are slagging off is only a TINY minority of said Clubs fans, and the vast majority of a clubs supporters are really nice people. For example, I'm used to the same jibes being thrown at Reds time and time again, but in the real world, out of all the LFC fans I've known in my lifetime (which is prob dozens of them if not more) I can only recall two people who displayed these negative character traits, and often, these fans aren't the way they are because of who they support, they have those negative character traits in life in general.

This topic makes me really uncomfortable as its so stereotypical making huge generalisations which is never a sensible way to make judgements on people. I bet some of you have friends who are Liverpool or Utd fans who are sound. People often act like dickheads on the internet because its anonymous and they think they can get away with it.

FWIW, I've shown previously that I can be objective when it comes to Liverpool and our fans so not just saying this, but there are a lot of things we do/say that people outside the LFC bubble just don't get and therefore completely misinterpret it and get the wrong impression of us. There were 2 clear examples of this just this season. Its SO frustrating for me when this happens but theres nowt I can do about it so give up caring what others think. At the end of the day its football and this is how it works.

Its grown, adult, men were talking about here which makes it even more silly and most of the animosity, in my experience, is down to jealousy of, or bitterness towards, other clubs from some supporters, or chips on the shoulders of others. There's a reason in the late 90s I remember everyone hating Utd badly. No-one ever hates clubs who achieve nothing.

At the end of the day all this nonsense is just a result of tribalism and the subjective nature of football and supporting a football team.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Most LFC fans (not me!) really dislike Spurs and Spurs fans as they think you're over self-entitled considering you were nothing in the PL until 2010 and felt after just a couple of good seasons some of your fans let it go to their head and started acting as if they were as good/as big as say Arsenal and Chelsea, when some of our fans viewed Spurs' at the same level as Everton and Villa (under o'neill).

Villa fans used to say same on VillaTalk as they felt you were no bigger than them so felt some Spurs fans got too big for their boots too quickly and started looking down at Villa when they hadn't earned their reputation as a top 4 'big' team yet. Felt Spurs fans were very short-termist and only looked at the last few seasons of their clubs history and ignored the previous decade of mid-table mediocrity. I don't agree with any of this as it hasn't been my experience with the vast majority of Spurs fans and its just over-generalising.

There was a Spurs fan on other boards such as VillaTalk, ReadyToGo (Sunderland) and I think RedCafe and he used to post a lot and was very arrogant and entitled and a bit snotty to what he perceived as "smaller clubs" and I can't help but feel a lot of the reason Sunderland/Villa/Mancs had a bad impression of Spurs fans was because of this guy. There was a whole thread about him and Spurs fans in general on Sunderland board he pised them off tht much.

I know this isn't the case but thats what gets said and what some believe. Now I bet that annoys you as you know it isn't true or that people are taking things the wrong way etc etc. Annoying isn't it and is exactly how I feel too.

We all need to remember though that these fans we are slagging off is only a TINY minority of said Clubs fans, and the vast majority of a clubs supporters are really nice people. For example, I'm used to the same jibes being thrown at Reds time and time again, but in the real world, out of all the LFC fans I've known in my lifetime (which is prob dozens of them if not more) I can only recall two people who displayed these negative character traits, and often, these fans aren't the way they are because of who they support, they have those negative character traits in life in general.

This topic makes me really uncomfortable as its so stereotypical making huge generalisations which is never a sensible way to make judgements on people. I bet some of you have friends who are Liverpool or Utd fans who are sound. People often act like dickheads on the internet because its anonymous and they think they can get away with it.

FWIW, I've shown previously that I can be objective when it comes to Liverpool and our fans so not just saying this, but there are a lot of things we do/say that people outside the LFC bubble just don't get and therefore completely misinterpret it and get the wrong impression of us. There were 2 clear examples of this just this season. Its SO frustrating for me when this happens but theres nowt I can do about it so give up caring what others think. At the end of the day its football and this is how it works.

Its grown, adult, men were talking about here which makes it even more silly and most of the animosity, in my experience, is down to jealousy of, or bitterness towards, other clubs from some supporters, or chips on the shoulders of others. There's a reason in the late 90s I remember everyone hating Utd badly. No-one ever hates clubs who achieve nothing.

At the end of the day all this nonsense is just a result of tribalism and the subjective nature of football and supporting a football team.

So you belong to all the other club forums as well?

Villa fans didn't like us because of our rise to the CL? That's their jealousy and nothing to do with us.

 

[beats1]

Most LFC fans (not me!) really dislike Spurs and Spurs fans as they think you're over self-entitled considering you were nothing in the PL until 2010 and felt after just a couple of good seasons some of your fans let it go to their head and started acting as if they were as good/as big as say Arsenal and Chelsea, when some of our fans viewed Spurs' at the same level as Everton and Villa (under o'neill).

Probably because they were only born in the last 20 years

Chelsea big. Their support is growing now but I wouldnt call chelsea a big club in london despite being one in the country

 

[michaelden]

Most LFC fans (not me!) really dislike Spurs and Spurs fans as they think you're over self-entitled considering you were nothing in the PL until 2010 and felt after just a couple of good seasons some of your fans let it go to their head and started acting as if they were as good/as big as say Arsenal and Chelsea, when some of our fans viewed Spurs' at the same level as Everton and Villa (under o'neill).

Villa fans used to say same on VillaTalk as they felt you were no bigger than them so felt some Spurs fans got too big for their boots too quickly and started looking down at Villa when they hadn't earned their reputation as a top 4 'big' team yet. Felt Spurs fans were very short-termist and only looked at the last few seasons of their clubs history and ignored the previous decade of mid-table mediocrity. I don't agree with any of this as it hasn't been my experience with the vast majority of Spurs fans and its just over-generalising.

There was a Spurs fan on other boards such as VillaTalk, ReadyToGo (Sunderland) and I think RedCafe and he used to post a lot and was very arrogant and entitled and a bit snotty to what he perceived as "smaller clubs" and I can't help but feel a lot of the reason Sunderland/Villa/Mancs had a bad impression of Spurs fans was because of this guy. There was a whole thread about him and Spurs fans in general on Sunderland board he pised them off tht much.

I know this isn't the case but thats what gets said and what some believe. Now I bet that annoys you as you know it isn't true or that people are taking things the wrong way etc etc. Annoying isn't it and is exactly how I feel too.

We all need to remember though that these fans we are slagging off is only a TINY minority of said Clubs fans, and the vast majority of a clubs supporters are really nice people. For example, I'm used to the same jibes being thrown at Reds time and time again, but in the real world, out of all the LFC fans I've known in my lifetime (which is prob dozens of them if not more) I can only recall two people who displayed these negative character traits, and often, these fans aren't the way they are because of who they support, they have those negative character traits in life in general.

This topic makes me really uncomfortable as its so stereotypical making huge generalisations which is never a sensible way to make judgements on people. I bet some of you have friends who are Liverpool or Utd fans who are sound. People often act like dickheads on the internet because its anonymous and they think they can get away with it.

FWIW, I've shown previously that I can be objective when it comes to Liverpool and our fans so not just saying this, but there are a lot of things we do/say that people outside the LFC bubble just don't get and therefore completely misinterpret it and get the wrong impression of us. There were 2 clear examples of this just this season. Its SO frustrating for me when this happens but theres nowt I can do about it so give up caring what others think. At the end of the day its football and this is how it works.

Its grown, adult, men were talking about here which makes it even more silly and most of the animosity, in my experience, is down to jealousy of, or bitterness towards, other clubs from some supporters, or chips on the shoulders of others. There's a reason in the late 90s I remember everyone hating Utd badly. No-one ever hates clubs who achieve nothing.

At the end of the day all this nonsense is just a result of tribalism and the subjective nature of football and supporting a football team.

my mate wrote a song called, "My local team is better than your local team" , its this exactly, grown men projecting emotions on a game. I'm one of them

 

[michaelden]

So you belong to all the other club forums as well?

Villa fans didn't like us because of our rise to the CL? That's their jealousy and nothing to do with us.

I don't like Villa cos they from Birmingham, its an accent thing, I don't like the brummie accent. I'm not a liker of Wolves, WBA & Birmingham City either

 

[Toela65]

S

Heysel. That is all

Thats so considered.

So every LFC fan, and the club as a whole deserves to be hated because of the disgusting and unacceptable behaviour of a tiny minority of Liverpool fans did?

Can we make these simplistic, over-generalisations of any club and their fans if a handful of them do something terrible?

Do I hate CFC as a club and think all their fans are ****s because a small, vocal minority disrespected the Hillsborough silences?

No, obviously, because I'd never paint a whole huge group of people with the same brush because a few of them are horrible dick-heads.

Meant to be mature adults ffs.

 

[Monkey boy]

S


Thats so considered.

So every LFC fan, and the club as a whole deserves to be hated because of the disgusting and unacceptable behaviour of a tiny minority of Liverpool fans did?

Can we make these simplistic, over-generalisations of any club and their fans if a handful of them do something terrible?

Do I hate CFC as a club and think all their fans are ****s because a small, vocal minority disrespected the Hillsborough silences?

No, obviously, because I'd never paint a whole huge group of people with the same brush because a few of them are horrible dick-heads.

Meant to be mature adults ffs.

Perhaps if LFC as a club showed remorse for their "fans" actions and held their hands up to being totally c*nts then you may be onto something. However you choose to ignore all this when your screaming justice for the 96 (which includes one of us yet you wouldn't know it). If your happy to be grouped in with being called the greatest fans in the world when things are going well then at the same time you have to be happy to be grouped in with the idiots who also follow your club when they bring shame on all of Britain.

Like I said a few pages back, I wonder if LFC will be making such a big song on dance about the Heysel anniversary? After all the JFT96 brigade is all about holding people account and not letting people forget.

 

[dorsetyid]

Perhaps if LFC as a club showed remorse for their "fans" actions and held their hands up to being totally c*nts then you may be onto something. However you choose to ignore all this when your screaming justice for the 96 (which includes one of us yet you wouldn't know it). If your happy to be grouped in with being called the greatest fans in the world when things are going well then at the same time you have to be happy to be grouped in with the idiots who also follow your club when they bring shame on all of Britain.

Like I said a few pages back, I wonder if LFC will be making such a big song on dance about the Heysel anniversary? After all the JFT96 brigade is all about holding people account and not letting people forget.

This, all I ever see is a complete silence and a vocal minority who like to insinuate that chelsea and rangers fans infiltrated! Liverpool fans in order to kill Italians. the holier than thou thing is complete bs

 

[OmarsComing]

On glory glory there used to be this Newcastle supporter and he used to post as much as anyone on there, he may still do. The problem was, I found him to be a complete shower.

At least Toela is a decent poster on these forums.

 

[dorsetyid]

Should probably clarify my position on Liverpool fans because I don't hate them per se, The heysel thing has always irritated me however most Liverpool fans seem like your standard friendly football fan. RAWK however is a different thing.
Basically I think whenever anyone says they hate Liverpool fans what they mean is they hate Internet Liverpool.

 

[aliyid]

Don't hate Liverpool the club and there are many players of theirs that I used to like (Barnes, Fowler, Mcmanaman, Owen, Riise hell I even liked Heskey when he was at Liverpool) but the things I don't like about them are

• Jamie Carragher (apart from all the own goals)
• Not allowing any closure for Hillsborough and constantly dragging the misery of the families out year after year
• Handling of the Suarez scandal
• Being Liverpool (the hillarious documentary)
• Dalgliesh, Hansen, Lawro (don't mind Souness)

I like the fact that they're passionate but (having been to Anfield five times) it's a very strange passion. They sing YNWA which is one of the great football anthems then go silent for the whole game befroe singing YNWA again at the end with very little noise between the two. Last years 3-2 defeat up there (where Walker played a suicidal back pass) was typical with the stadium silent when we controlled the game and only really singing with 2 mins to go...

 

[E.L.Strict]

Liverpool this season reminded me of a more successful version of us at our best. If it weren't for suarez I would say they have nothing unlikeable about them as a football team.

What I definitely do hate is how many representatives they have in the media, how obviously biased they all are and how little any of them offer from a punditry standpoint. It must surely be deliberate on Liverpool part, pretty much guaranteeing all their old boys jobs on tv.

 

[CowInAComa]

liverpoolunitedchelseaarsenal.

interchangeably shit fans whose support is solely based on lack of self esteem and the need to feel some sort of success in their lives that they cant achieve off their own back. Equally dislikeable and most dont actually watch the games.

I wouldnt mind but they insist on talking football at any opportunity.

 

[NP4_Yid]

Most LFC fans (not me!) really dislike Spurs and Spurs fans as they think you're over self-entitled considering you were nothing in the PL until 2010 and felt after just a couple of good seasons some of your fans let it go to their head and started acting as if they were as good/as big as say Arsenal and Chelsea, when some of our fans viewed Spurs' at the same level as Everton and Villa (under o'neill).

Villa fans used to say same on VillaTalk as they felt you were no bigger than them so felt some Spurs fans got too big for their boots too quickly and started looking down at Villa when they hadn't earned their reputation as a top 4 'big' team yet. Felt Spurs fans were very short-termist and only looked at the last few seasons of their clubs history and ignored the previous decade of mid-table mediocrity. I don't agree with any of this as it hasn't been my experience with the vast majority of Spurs fans and its just over-generalising.

There was a Spurs fan on other boards such as VillaTalk, ReadyToGo (Sunderland) and I think RedCafe and he used to post a lot and was very arrogant and entitled and a bit snotty to what he perceived as "smaller clubs" and I can't help but feel a lot of the reason Sunderland/Villa/Mancs had a bad impression of Spurs fans was because of this guy. There was a whole thread about him and Spurs fans in general on Sunderland board he pised them off tht much.

I know this isn't the case but thats what gets said and what some believe. Now I bet that annoys you as you know it isn't true or that people are taking things the wrong way etc etc. Annoying isn't it and is exactly how I feel too.

We all need to remember though that these fans we are slagging off is only a TINY minority of said Clubs fans, and the vast majority of a clubs supporters are really nice people. For example, I'm used to the same jibes being thrown at Reds time and time again, but in the real world, out of all the LFC fans I've known in my lifetime (which is prob dozens of them if not more) I can only recall two people who displayed these negative character traits, and often, these fans aren't the way they are because of who they support, they have those negative character traits in life in general.

This topic makes me really uncomfortable as its so stereotypical making huge generalisations which is never a sensible way to make judgements on people. I bet some of you have friends who are Liverpool or Utd fans who are sound. People often act like dickheads on the internet because its anonymous and they think they can get away with it.

FWIW, I've shown previously that I can be objective when it comes to Liverpool and our fans so not just saying this, but there are a lot of things we do/say that people outside the LFC bubble just don't get and therefore completely misinterpret it and get the wrong impression of us. There were 2 clear examples of this just this season. Its SO frustrating for me when this happens but theres nowt I can do about it so give up caring what others think. At the end of the day its football and this is how it works.

Its grown, adult, men were talking about here which makes it even more silly and most of the animosity, in my experience, is down to jealousy of, or bitterness towards, other clubs from some supporters, or chips on the shoulders of others. There's a reason in the late 90s I remember everyone hating Utd badly. No-one ever hates clubs who achieve nothing.

At the end of the day all this nonsense is just a result of tribalism and the subjective nature of football and supporting a football team.

Good post and I largely agree, however, I think it also comes down to geography.
I don't know any Liverpool fans actually from Liverpool - my experience is purely down to living in South Wales. Growing up here in the late 70s/80s I was surrounded by them (still am although there are also a lot of Man Utd fans now too).
The majority of these are indeed very smug and self entitled with very little self awareness. They refuse to acknowledge any deficiencies whether that be of a purely footballing nature or, far more annoyingly, issues such as Heysel, Suarez etc. That's not to say they aren't good people, a few of my best mates are Liverpool and obviously they wouldn't be such good friends if they were complete arseholes.
Of course there could well be an aspect of collective personality at play, which is kind of inevitable if you are in the vast majority.

So, yeah geography - it's the reason why I can't summon up any hatred of Arsenal (sorry everyone). I only know 3 adult Arsenal fans; one is very nice/reasonable, one I haven't seen for years and the other I only ever see at Newport matches so we're on the same side then. It's also the reason that I have a dislike for Liverpool.

Chelsea on the other hand I hate due to the fans I've encountered at matches, possibly a more relevant and accurate reason?

One more thing -

No-one ever hates clubs who achieve nothing.

- so why does anyone hate us?

 

[Coyboy]

Good post and I largely agree, however, I think it also comes down to geography.
I don't know any Liverpool fans actually from Liverpool - my experience is purely down to living in South Wales. Growing up here in the late 70s/80s I was surrounded by them (still am although there are also a lot of Man Utd fans now too).
The majority of these are indeed very smug and self entitled with very little self awareness. They refuse to acknowledge any deficiencies whether that be of a purely footballing nature or, far more annoyingly, issues such as Heysel, Suarez etc. That's not to say they aren't good people, a few of my best mates are Liverpool and obviously they wouldn't be such good friends if they were complete arseholes.
Of course there could well be an aspect of collective personality at play, which is kind of inevitable if you are in the vast majority.

So, yeah geography - it's the reason why I can't summon up any hatred of Arsenal (sorry everyone). I only know 3 adult Arsenal fans; one is very nice/reasonable, one I haven't seen for years and the other I only ever see at Newport matches so we're on the same side then. It's also the reason that I have a dislike for Liverpool.

Chelsea on the other hand I hate due to the fans I've encountered at matches, possibly a more relevant and accurate reason?

One more thing - - so why does anyone hate us?

I can go along with this. Some of my best friends are Liverpool fans, neither from Liverpool but massive fans and go when they can (which isn’t that often as the ticket system there seems ridiculous and hardly emblematic of a ‘people friendly club’).

And without exception, they adhere to the above. You can sense, or they say so explicitly, that as a club, fanbase and team they are somehow better than all the rest- either because of the community that the Hilsborough tragedy arguably effected, because they are England’s most successful or well known club (arguable), because Anfield has a great atmosphere (very arguable) or because their fans are somewhat ‘special’ (extremely arguable, other than maybe in the other sense of the word).

This has come to fruition most recently with Suarez. From Evra to Ivanovic to his recent play acting, through King Kenny making a prat of himself to the stupid T shirts. It’s the paranoid victim mentality and it’s why few of them seem able to appreciate that while anyone with a brain can see how good Suarez is, the reason he is demonised is because he’s a vindictive violent cheat and no amount of PR or interviews in broken English with this ‘butter wouldn’t melt…I am so happy here’ look slapped over his face changes that.

 

[GeneralBurk]

On RAWK they had a poll who they hate the most without Everton or United listed. Spurs were top, even above Chelsea by a few votes. It seemed totally unnecessary and strange. At Wembley we respected the minutes silence while Chelsea booed most of the way through it. There were plenty of Spurs fans who travelled up after Hilllsborough to lay flowers and scarves too. I don't hate them though

Do you know the reason for Chelsea fans behaviour? After Heysel the Liverpool Chairman tried to blame Chelsea fans due to southern accents heard in the stands.

Below is abridged description of the events

Had Liverpool made an example of their charging fans instead of looking to Chelsea fans and the standard of the stadium, offering up an apology and taking on full responsibility, maybe the way rival fans viewed Heysel would have been different. However, when Liverpool and Juventus met twenty years later in the same competition, it was clear how wronged the Juve fans felt by Liverpool’s reaction at the time of the tragedy.

Liverpool presented a banner of ‘friendship’ to the Italian club, which listed the names of the 39 Juve supporters that died at Heysel. This was met with jeers and whistles, and they turned their backs on Liverpool's gesture.

Liverpool FC's official stance was to look for others to blame even though there were 27 arrests on suspicion of manslaughter.

The majority of these people were from Merseyside. Some of these people had previous convictions for football-related violence. In 1989, after a 5-month trial in Belgium, fourteen Liverpool fans were given 3-year sentences for involuntary manslaughter. Half the terms were suspended.

I lived in Liverpool for 4 years and still visit friends there now and it's a great night on the piss, however the way LFC reacted to the tragedy is indefensible.

They reacted in a similar manner to the Suarez affair and it wasn't just Dalgleish refusing to apologise.

It was only when Standard Chartered threatened their sponsorship deal that the top brass at Liverpool relented.

 

[IamCelestial]

Not really. I actually have respect for them. Much more than I do for the likes of Chelski and Man City. I'd have preferred for them to win the EPL this year, rather than City.