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Adam456

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Good positioning and reading of the game is worth two yards in a running race.
Well sure but if you're playing a high line you do need some raw pace for the occasions where you don't see the pass as quickly as you would have liked

Interestingly, this is something that terrifies a lot of people about Dier but we're saying it's fine as long as he starts in the right place
 

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Well sure but if you're playing a high line you do need some raw pace for the occasions where you don't see the pass as quickly as you would have liked

Interestingly, this is something that terrifies a lot of people about Dier but we're saying it's fine as long as he starts in the right place
Oh I agree, but what’s needed is acceleration and pace over 20-30m.

Interesting you should mention Dier, because in 2015 he was recorded as the one of the top 10 fastest player in the Premier League, he’s obviously since had injuries, but even back then I don’t think anyone would have said he was blisteringly fast.

My point wasn’t to say speed isn’t important, just that the way it’s represented via online stats banks doesn’t give a rounded picture, and that acceleration is a vital component.
 
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David Bentley was also faster than Aaron Lennon on tests,
but football quick is something else, first few steps and 10-20m.
Max speed which takes some time to reach rarely that important.
 

Adam456

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David Bentley was also faster than Aaron Lennon on tests,
but football quick is something else, first few steps and 10-20m.
Max speed which takes some time to reach rarely that important.
I think we're all agreed on that then. So if you look at the you tube vids - there are about half a dozen and I've watched 4 I think - he is an amazing interceptor and tackler and his positioning is phenomenal. But almost every attack was slow and he was already in the right place. My worry would be what happens when the ball is chipped over the top - which may be the only way to break the Ange press -will he suddenly be exposed on pace.

Bear in mind how good we all thought Sanchez was when we bought him. And Romero (still plenty of time to be a legend) for that matter. After some time in the Prem their weaknesses become apparent...
 

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Top speed, whilst important, isn’t the most informative metric. If you look at sprinters it takes them 60-70m until they hit their top speed - how many footballers do a full 60m sprint? Not that many given the length of a pitch and the patterns of play, which also means the recordings of top speed statistics aren’t truly representative because many players won’t necessarily have got up to theirs.

For a defender, especially when playing a high line, a better measure would be acceleration or speed over 20-30m. Better still is body positioning, reaction time and ability to read the game. Stats are useful but they are only part of a wider picture.
with Olympic Sprinters they have to be undr 2 seconds for the first 20M. NFL players the metric ive seen quite often is how fast they are over 30M.
 

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I think we're all agreed on that then. So if you look at the you tube vids - there are about half a dozen and I've watched 4 I think - he is an amazing interceptor and tackler and his positioning is phenomenal. But almost every attack was slow and he was already in the right place. My worry would be what happens when the ball is chipped over the top - which may be the only way to break the Ange press -will he suddenly be exposed on pace.

Bear in mind how good we all thought Sanchez was when we bought him. And Romero (still plenty of time to be a legend) for that matter. After some time in the Prem their weaknesses become apparent...
Especially with the possible new offside rule coming in.
 

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As good as that looks on paper I still think we need a top drawer defensive midfielder like Lavia, (I know looks pool bound).
I rate YB and Skipp, but they haven’t ticked that box for me, if PEH is off I hope we bring a top quality DM to
replace him,.
No denying our defenders had a shocker last season but the midfield could have done a lot more to stem the flow of goals we conceded I think.
I think Bentancur will become that 6 personally.
 

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Thats far too cheap for those players
Depends if we want them gone or whether we are happy to have them still here next season. It may well be below market value but we actively need players out and the best way to do that is for the buying team to see value in the transfer.
 

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I think Bentancur will become that 6 personally.
Would be an interesting prospect. I also think Sarr could play that role eventually. Ether way if we were going to look at another midfielder surely it has to be another creative/attacking minded one unless of course Lo Celso and/or Ndombele impress. We can’t rely on Maddison all season.
 

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Would be an interesting prospect. I also think Sarr could play that role eventually. Ether way if we were going to look at another midfielder surely it has to be another creative/attacking minded one unless of course Lo Celso and/or Ndombele impress. We can’t rely on Maddison all season.
Not sure. Personally I'd rather move kulusevski in there or use Devine and make sure we are thoroughly covered as far as the back line is concerned. If say we had 80mil left to spend I'd be all in on 2 CB's and see what I had left for other area's once they were 100% in place. It's the one position considering Ange's style I don't think we can afford to compromise too much on personally. Tapsoba AND VDV for me not either or.
 
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FrankSpencer

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Bentas best season was as an attacking 8 in sarries midfield 3. Got assists galore.
I’d have him at 8 and have biss at 6. When I watched biss at his best he was more a 6
I think it will very much depend if we play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. If it’s the former, Bissouma will probably be asked to sit a bit deeper alongside Bentancur, however I’m sure Bentancur’s natural position is CDM(6) and it suits his overall game better.
 

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Bentas best season was as an attacking 8 in sarries midfield 3. Got assists galore.
I’d have him at 8 and have biss at 6. When I watched biss at his best he was more a 6
And who did Sarri have as his DM at that time? In AP's system the 6 needs to be incredibly disciplined, be able to cover a lot of ground quickly coving full backs, be press resistant, and be able to comfortably receive the ball from the back line and progress us forward. Absolutely stinks of Bentancur imo.
 

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And who did Sarri have as his DM at that time? In AP's system the 6 needs to be incredibly disciplined, be able to cover a lot of ground quickly coving full backs, be press resistant, and be able to comfortably receive the ball from the back line and progress us forward. Absolutely stinks of Bentancur imo.
He had pjanic. It’s going to be interesting to see who he goes with, I’m not sure biss has the goal scoring or passing to be an advanced 8. He’s best receiving and turning to feed cms ahead of him.
 

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Not sure. Personally I'd rather move kulusevski in there or use Devine and make sure we are thoroughly covered as far as the back line is concerned. If say we had 80mil left to spend I'd be all in on 2 CB's and see what I had left for other area's once they were 100% in place. It's the one position considering Ange's style I don't think we can afford to compromise too much on personally. Tapsoba AND VDV for me not either or.
Agreed. Kulu at 10 is his best position I think. In an ideal world we’d get a quality fast RW like a diaby but appreciate we won’t have the money for it. But yeah go big on vdv and tapsoba and then if we can sell Gio, ndombele (to Saudi), hojberg maybe we’ll have money for diaby. Think he’s 60m from what I’ve seen.
 

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And who did Sarri have as his DM at that time? In AP's system the 6 needs to be incredibly disciplined, be able to cover a lot of ground quickly coving full backs, be press resistant, and be able to comfortably receive the ball from the back line and progress us forward. Absolutely stinks of Bentancur imo.
This pretty much describes Bissouma aswell though 🤔 But Bissouma lacks the final third abilities that Bentancur has, so I’d much rather Bentancur in the 8.
 

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And who did Sarri have as his DM at that time? In AP's system the 6 needs to be incredibly disciplined, be able to cover a lot of ground quickly coving full backs, be press resistant, and be able to comfortably receive the ball from the back line and progress us forward. Absolutely stinks of Bentancur imo.
Personally think Biss can do all the things you just mentioned for a 6 in Ange's system and Bentancur would be better suited as an 8, along with Maddison. I wouldn't fancy Biss to get goals breaking into the box but Bentancur showed last season that he can have an eye for goal.

Don't think there's any wrong answers here, so gonna be interesting to see what AP goes with.
 

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Personally think Biss can do all the things you just mentioned for a 6 in Ange's system and Bentancur would be better suited as an 8, along with Maddison. I wouldn't fancy Biss to get goals breaking into the box but Bentancur showed last season that he can have an eye for goal.

Don't think there's any wrong answers here, so gonna be interesting to see what AP goes with.
Yeah Bissouma's record in the final third is pretty rubbish, but he's v.mobile, press resistant and good defensively.

Think he's fine either as an 8 or a 6 but we'd get a lot more out of Bentancur higher up the pitch than Bissouma.

Also, Bentancur has the odd random patch where his passing randomly goes completely awry and he keeps giving it away which is dangerous in a 6, whereas Bissouma is a bit more metronomic and consistent in possession. This is also reflected in the stats with Bissouma having both higher passes attempted and pass completion % than Benny.
 
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