EFL Carabao Cup 2023/2024

[Styopa]

I don't think we are bottle jobs and neither do I think Poch is.

I think you have to have something in your grasp but lose it cause you can't hold your nerve and I gey irritated when that phrase gets banded about. For example, when we were trailing Chelsea all season.

I just don't think Poch is at that elite coach level. Klopp is.

Spurs fans are stupid for jumping on the "Poch is a loser" train as you say.

Yeah, in both title chases we were involved in, we were the chasing team, not the leading team. And the two finals we lost under Poch were to teams most people would have expected us to lose to anyway.

I didn’t watch the match yesterday but I’m not majorly surprised Chelsea lost to Liverpool either. Even though Liverpool had lots of injuries, they are a club riding a wave, top of the league and full of belief this season. Whereas Chelsea have looked like a mess for the last year or more.

 

[Styopa]

Yeah for sure but it’s a bit boring.

It bores me to be honest.

Especially when that banter is "Spurs have no trophies" because there are people who believe that's true.

The minute something like that comes out their mouths and any football discussion with that person is done for me.

Yeah that’s true. I had in mind, reasonable people having a bit of fun with it but I know exactly the type of thing you have in mind and it is boring, especially when they take it seriously.

 

[Styopa]

I could ask the same thing about those with hatred and bitterness towards him? I "defend" him in the sense that he is an adult man who was out of work and thinking of location as his family are settled in the area. Does the money help? Yes. But it's a fucking job at the end of the day. Honestly it really isn't life and death is it? He didn't go there straight after Levy sacked him did he? He went to a club in between. And Levy didn't want him. So he wasn't coming back.

Some of the bitterness and anger towards ex players and managers on here and in this fanbase from some is pretty unhealthy.

I agree, but there’s a position in between what you are describing. We’re football fans. Chelsea are our rivals and Pochettino now manages them. I think wanting Pochettino to fail there is pretty normal in the context of football.

Those kind of rivalries and histories are part of what makes football exciting. Local rivalries, Ex players and coaches, “bogey teams”, “grudge matches” etc.

 

[Marty]

For all the talk about Liverpool's kids beating Chelsea's billions, this is worth bearing in mind. Of course VVD skews it in Liverpool's favour but he's only one of 11 on the pitch.

 

[Styopa]

For all the talk about Liverpool's kids beating Chelsea's billions, this is worth bearing in mind. Of course VVD skews it in Liverpool's favour but he's only one of 11 on the pitch.

Yeah it’s funny how narratives are spun out and become repeated like facts, whether they’re true or not.

 

[robbiedee]

For all the talk about Liverpool's kids beating Chelsea's billions, this is worth bearing in mind. Of course VVD skews it in Liverpool's favour but he's only one of 11 on the pitch.

If Tiago Silva had played Chelsea's average age would have been 57.... FACT!

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Chelsea have got themselves in a right mess with all these players on 7/8 year contracts. Like having a team of Ndombeles , will not be able to shift them.
Will give Poch till next Xmas .
At least they won’t have to wrestle with UEFA fair play next season. Just as well cos they would be miles off it.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

I could ask the same thing about those with hatred and bitterness towards him? I "defend" him in the sense that he is an adult man who was out of work and thinking of location as his family are settled in the area. Does the money help? Yes. But it's a fucking job at the end of the day. Honestly it really isn't life and death is it? He didn't go there straight after Levy sacked him did he? He went to a club in between. And Levy didn't want him. So he wasn't coming back.

Some of the bitterness and anger towards ex players and managers on here and in this fanbase from some is pretty unhealthy.

Football is very different to real life though. Managers and players move around all the time, his family being happy in London is all well and good but chances are he will be sacked again soon. Does he then only apply for jobs in London? I wouldn’t abuse anyone but seeing Poch at Wembley with Jesus and Tony made my skin crawl. Considering what we went through against Chelsea when he was our manager makes me question why on earth he would take that job? He is a multi millionaire and could’ve gotten pretty much any other job in football. He will never be accepted there and he has tarnished his reputation with us in the process. Personally I feel that him joining Chelsea is as bad as joining Arsenal. You can say it’s only a job but football is much more than that. I couldn’t possibly wish him well now.

 

[philll]

It's the problem with just comparing ages. The average age of Chelsea's team might've been lower but they're all established first team players who have played loads of minutes this season. None of those kids Liverpool brought on had made more than 9 appearances, it was only the 2nd time Danns has played and one of them I think it was his debut.

 

[rossdapep]

Football is very different to real life though. Managers and players move around all the time, his family being happy in London is all well and good but chances are he will be sacked again soon. Does he then only apply for jobs in London? I wouldn’t abuse anyone but seeing Poch at Wembley with Jesus and Tony made my skin crawl. Considering what we went through against Chelsea when he was our manager makes me question why on earth he would take that job? He is a multi millionaire and could’ve gotten pretty much any other job in football. He will never be accepted there and he has tarnished his reputation with us in the process. Personally I feel that him joining Chelsea is as bad as joining Arsenal. You can say it’s only a job but football is much more than that. I couldn’t possibly wish him well now.

This for me is the saddest thing and why I was strong on him (not wishing anything bad of course).

All he had to do was be a little more patient. Jobs come up all the time and his credit in the PL bank was still high.

I would also suggest that 'absence makes the heart grow fonder'

Imagine if Ten Hag was to be fired at end of season and Poch was making it known he wanted a PL return.

Good chance United contact him.

Even West Ham or Brighton may be good opportunities for him. Although he would have had to swallow a bit of pride but I reckon both those jobs would suit him more.

I have never accepted this "he lives in London so wants a job close" reasoning. Yes, I am sure he does but the life of a coach is to continuously 'up and move' and find the most suitable role for you.

By limiting himself to London, he has made an entire fanbase, that adored him, think less of him whilst going to one that doesn't like him.....what has he gained here??

He is evidently in a worse position than he was before he went there and it could have been avoided had he had some awareness.

People will cite Jose and Conte but the major point is both those coaches had achieved a lot at Chelsea so they will always have that. Essentially they had less to lose - Chelsea fans still pine for Jose.

I can't imagine any Spurs fan will want Poch back now.

 

[Schoon-related]

Football is very different to real life though. Managers and players move around all the time, his family being happy in London is all well and good but chances are he will be sacked again soon. Does he then only apply for jobs in London? I wouldn’t abuse anyone but seeing Poch at Wembley with Jesus and Tony made my skin crawl. Considering what we went through against Chelsea when he was our manager makes me question why on earth he would take that job? He is a multi millionaire and could’ve gotten pretty much any other job in football. He will never be accepted there and he has tarnished his reputation with us in the process. Personally I feel that him joining Chelsea is as bad as joining Arsenal. You can say it’s only a job but football is much more than that. I couldn’t possibly wish him well now.

We sacked him. We weren't loyal to him why should he be to us?

 

[Styopa]

We sacked him. We weren't loyal to him why should he be to us?

It’s difficult to know how loyal we were to him, to be honest. Maybe he was at the stage where he wanted to leave. He hinted at it during the Champions League final press conference. It could have been a situation a bit like Klopp where he had reached burnout. But instead of leaving that summer, he soldiered on but things just got worse. I never got the sense that Levy took any satisfaction in sacking him.

Anyway. It doesn’t change the fundamental point, that he can’t expect too much goodwill from Spurs fans for moving to one of our biggest rivals. That’s just the way football works. I don’t even think it’s a controversial point?

It’s like, I hope Arsenal don’t win the league. There’s nothing particularly rational about me hoping Arsenal don’t win the league, it’s just they are our rivals.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

We sacked him. We weren't loyal to him why should he be to us?

I’m not saying he should but my point is that by joining that lot he has ruined his relationship with us and I could never wish him well now.

 

[Gassin's finest]

We sacked him. We weren't loyal to him why should he be to us?

We didn't. His bond was with the fanbase. They're the people who make all this possible.