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[Stamford]

‘’doing things the right way’’ ended in 2003 when Abramovich showed up. Who cares.

 

[Dov67]

The fundamental problem here is that we as fans and ENIC want completely different things and have divergent goals.

We, as fans want us to buy good players and challenge and eventually win things……..actually win trophies, see those silver cups with navy and white ribbons adorned as we celebrate with our players during joyous laps of honour.

BUT>>>>>>this is now I believe, most definitely not what ENIC want.

They know what is required to achieve a trophy winning squad in todays game and despite now having the financial muscle to do it, have shown that they will not do it.

In short ENIC do not want to win trophies unless of course such trophies fall from the sky with huge dollops of good fortune.

To build a successful squad requires investment in good players over many seasons, which requires financial risk, and ENIC will not do it. They have no risk appetite for it.

The next set of financial results will infuriate us but delight them. I suspect we may report world record profits for a football club, which will vindicate ENICs vision - if you can achieve world record profits while winning only one f****g league cup in 20 years, then why not carry on as before…….why risk it with fancy transfers when they often dont come off (see Ndombele)

For years and years I gave ENIC the benefit of the doubt. We could not hope to complete with financially doped clubs whether in a 36,0000 seat stadium or in a 100,000 seat stadium. But Liverpool and the goonscum are not financially doped and they have built strong squads, whereas we started yesterday with a back line of Dier, Tanganga & Lenglet FFS. Not one of those players would even make Abu Dhabi or Liverpools bench. The goons have done it with no CL football in 5 years.

Sadly i see no way out in the short or medium term. Even before Liverpool and Man U were on the market, Levy would demand a price for the club that no buyer would be prepared to meet.

I suspect Conte will go at the end of the season, because he’s not a manager satisfied with trying to scrape 4th spot each season. ENIC will bring back Poch to aplease the fans and it will most likely work.

All of this is depressing enough but in 6 months i have gone from laughing at the goons to now being terrified they will actually win the league.

Sorry for the downbeat post, but that’s the way i see things

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Levy has done a good job, however if he wants the club to kick on, then he needs to invest. I don't think he has the cojones to do so.

He nearly doubled my season ticket price. If he thinks it's acceptable to tread water, and expect me to continue forking out north of a grand, then he's deluded.

I've been going for 23 years. I'm not sure I want to pay premium prices for a team that won't compete at the highest level. At a transactional level, it doesn't feel like a fair transaction.

I go a lot but not a season ticket holder. I Know a lot of season ticket holders, some pro-Levy some anti-Levy. Right now there is a real dispondency among most of them, it’s boring the whole thing is boring. A number of them probably won’t be there next season and that is big shame.

We know we will be ok and be at the upper end of the table but never compete to win anything, the football is bland with a mix of players from world class like Kane to shall we say average like Dier, Sanchez and Royal.

The story could be any season, it could be 2 seasons ago it could be 5 seasons time. The arguements on SC are the same, this post I am writing is boring, any response will be also probably boring, everything is old ground. The club, it’s fans just running round in circles. It’s monotonous.

 

[thebenjamin]

Yeah I've been a believer that once the stadium is up and running things would change. But Conte saying we're still under the' young players on low wages' edict is a major red flag. Clearly nothing has changed at all. Huge ambition and no expense spared for infrastructure, but on the pitch risk averse and conservative.

Not that we can do anything about it. They're going nowhere. The only small chance that we might be the next cab on the rank has been destroyed by Liverpool and United being up for sale. Reckon at least another decade with ENIC.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

As fans, there has been this constant demand for attractive football coupled with competing for silverware. With the exception of 2-3 years under Poch, this hasn’t materialized and for the last 3-4 years, our style of play has generally become turgid at best.
There is lots of frustrated fans who believe we should be playing attractive football and winning games at a canter, but in reality we are not a top team and haven’t been since 16/17. There are 4-5 teams that a considerably better equipped to challenge for silverware playing a progressive style.

you are right it is uninspiring at the moment, but it is unlikely to change dramatically soon.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

As fans, there has been this constant demand for attractive football coupled with competing for silverware. With the exception of 2-3 years under Poch, this hasn’t materialized and for the last 3-4 years, our style of play has generally become turgid at best.
There is lots of frustrated fans who believe we should be playing attractive football and winning games at a canter, but in reality we are not a top team and haven’t been since 16/17. There are 4-5 teams that a considerably better equipped to challenge for silverware playing a progressive style.

you are right it is uninspiring at the moment, but it is unlikely to change dramatically soon.

Club should then aim to entertain, look at Brighton one of the best footballing teams in the league. There is no honesty from Levy, either spend £300m and back an elite manager like Conte and try and win the title or get a Potter/Howe type manager and build an entertaining team with younger players. Stop pretending to be an ambitious club while paying comparative peanuts.

 

[McArchibald]

ENICs approach is working for ENIC, but not for the football club that is Tottenham Hotspur. And the chances of reaching success through this method are getting longer by the day, chiefly because of developments outside of ENICs control. Those are the facts. The real worry lies in the fact that ENIC and/or Levy do not have a plan B and appear unwilling or unable to come up with one and change tack to keep up with the rest of the top teams.

That is why ENIC have to go as soon as possible. Yes, they leave the club in a better place than they found it (and will be handsomely rewarded for that). Yes, they've turned it into a very successful business. But I don't support a business - I support a football club. And for 21 years under ENIC, the football club has had to take a backseat to the development of the business. A business that thrives but can never deliver on its professed, main objective - to fund a sustained period of on-field success.
And because on-field success isn't forthcoming with the present setup and the dogmatic approaches to club management, a change of leadership and ownership is desperately needed. Because from where I'm sitting, ENIC and Levy's grand plan is dead in the water.

 

[DiVaio]

ENIC have sucked the life out of this club.

A traditional cup team with one cup in their ownership, even Alan Sugar had more !

We have no playing style, no idea on the pitch, players that do not fit. It’s an utter shambles right now

Arteta and Arsenal are where we were at a point in time with Poch, Eddie Howe is playing the football we want to see at Spurs with Sean Longstaff in Midfield

It’s taken me 21 years but ENIC need to go.

So you just moaned about ENIC because of the things that are quite obvious Conte's fault and not owners, while also using two examples of managers that showed that good manager is much more important than owners lol

 

[BPR_U16]

As fans, there has been this constant demand for attractive football coupled with competing for silverware. With the exception of 2-3 years under Poch, this hasn’t materialized and for the last 3-4 years, our style of play has generally become turgid at best.
There is lots of frustrated fans who believe we should be playing attractive football and winning games at a canter, but in reality we are not a top team and haven’t been since 16/17. There are 4-5 teams that a considerably better equipped to challenge for silverware playing a progressive style.

you are right it is uninspiring at the moment, but it is unlikely to change dramatically soon.

Very well put.

Question is why wont it change - is it purely ENIC and lack of investment, the managers since Poch or a combination?

What also needs to be made clear is how many players top clubs give opportunities to from within the ranks, which is what Poch did initially. Goons, Chelski and Pool all have brought through various academy players - many of ours look to leave as see no opportunity.
Feel sorry for White, so many times on bench never on the pitch - others will look at that and leave. Why do the likes of White, Devine; Paskotski, Donley, Robson hang around because they will not be given a chance. Then there's Moore - a super talent in the making but surely he will want to see change.

One of Levy and ENICs biggest investments has been the academy, but it's been under used.

If Levy believes Conte is the right man, and he got him in cos he was a winner who knew what he wanted, then they need to back him (but that will continue to be to the detriment of youth - so the recent investment in Spence and Sarr is illogical).

Money is no longer an issue as our financials will show, these will only improve with a winning team.

If they dont back then Conte will leave and so should Levy.

But back to your post @wheelerdealer, our football is uninspiring with no definite style, and this is partly because Conte has not been backed with personnel to play the style he wishes

 

[13VanDerBale13]

The fact that some are STILL, after countless years, giving them chances to proves doubters wrong, is truly baffling.

 

[Albertbarich]

They're not going anywhere.

They still have property to develop and the next TV rights deal will be huge , this increasing the clubs value even more.

You would need protests and protests with the fanbase United behind it for them to even think about it, but that won't happen. We have shown that when people try to do something our own fans mock and laugh at them.

Tough times ahead I reckon. Conte looks off which means Kane is off and I reckon we think we already have his replacement In Richarlison.

 

[mpickard2087]

(Officially, on above the counter spending at least...) Our total spend in the last 3 years is 7th, worldwide. Our net spend is 3rd. The wage bill is still the weakness to domestic rivals but has doubled in 5 years and seen the biggest % increase of the top 6.

Whether we spend it wisely is a different matter, but it's quite lazy to keep saying the club/ENIC are misers, don't want to spend, etc.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

ENICs approach is working for ENIC, but not for the football club that is Tottenham Hotspur. And the chances of reaching success through this method are getting longer by the day, chiefly because of developments outside of ENICs control. Those are the facts. The real worry lies in the fact that ENIC and/or Levy do not have a plan B and appear unwilling or unable to come up with one and change tack to keep up with the rest of the top teams.

That is why ENIC have to go as soon as possible. Yes, they leave the club in a better place than they found it (and will be handsomely rewarded for that). Yes, they've turned it into a very successful business. But I don't support a business - I support a football club. And for 21 years under ENIC, the football club has had to take a backseat to the development of the business. A business that thrives but can never deliver on its professed, main objective - to fund a sustained period of on-field success.
And because on-field success isn't forthcoming with the present setup and the dogmatic approaches to club management, a change of leadership and ownership is desperately needed. Because from where I'm sitting, ENIC and Levy's grand plan is dead in the water.

very good post

 

[thebenjamin]

(Officially, on above the counter spending at least...) Our total spend in the last 3 years is 7th, worldwide. Our net spend is 3rd. The wage bill is still the weakness to domestic rivals but has doubled in 5 years and seen the biggest % increase of the top 6.

Whether we spend it wisely is a different matter, but it's quite lazy to keep saying the club/ENIC are misers, don't want to spend, etc.

Agree. It's hard to overstate just how far £150M on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon set us back. Realistically over £200M with wages and agents fees on top. We are still recovering from those errors. Might as well have burnt that money for heat and saved on energy bills.

 

[danielneeds]

They're not going anywhere.

They still have property to develop and the next TV rights deal will be huge , this increasing the clubs value even more.

You would need protests and protests with the fanbase United behind it for them to even think about it, but that won't happen. We have shown that when people try to do something our own fans mock and laugh at them.

Tough times ahead I reckon. Conte looks off which means Kane is off and I reckon we think we already have his replacement In Richarlison

There are never gonna be significant protests because our fanbase are just not built that way and most don’t live close enough to Tottenham anymore to mobilise effectively.

The way that ENIC will eventually sell is that the place will just become moribund. Bad team post-Kane, half-full stadium as fans baulk at prices to watch a team lose consistently. It’s just gonna be a sad and gradual fall into the abyss.

 

[Albertbarich]

There are never gonna be significant protests because our fanbase are just not built that way and most don’t live close enough to Tottenham anymore to mobilise effectively.

The way that ENIC will eventually sell is that the place will just become moribund. Bad team post-Kane, half-full stadium as fans baulk at prices to watch a team lose consistently. It’s just gonna be a sad and gradual fall into the abyss.

I get the sentiment but I saw the scum have some impressive protests so it can be done.

Also the stadium will be full of tourists and corporates, just the way they like it.

Like most billionaires they have us by the balls and there isn't a thing we can do.

 

[danielneeds]

I get the sentiment but I saw the scum have some impressive protests so it can be done.

Also the stadium will be full of tourists and corporates, just the way they like it.

Like most billionaires they have us by the balls and there isn't a thing we can do.

The sad fact is the Scum’s online fanbase dwarfs ours massively so they can probably mobilise much more easily.

We’ll see how it goes, but the corporates and the tourists stop coming if there is a stench of death around the place.

 

[bubble07]

Club should then aim to entertain, look at Brighton one of the best footballing teams in the league. There is no honesty from Levy, either spend £300m and back an elite manager like Conte and try and win the title or get a Potter/Howe type manager and build an entertaining team with younger players. Stop pretending to be an ambitious club while paying comparative peanuts.

Exactly this

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Very well put.

Question is why wont it change - is it purely ENIC and lack of investment, the managers since Poch or a combination?

What also needs to be made clear is how many players top clubs give opportunities to from within the ranks, which is what Poch did initially. Goons, Chelski and Pool all have brought through various academy players - many of ours look to leave as see no opportunity.
Feel sorry for White, so many times on bench never on the pitch - others will look at that and leave. Why do the likes of White, Devine; Paskotski, Donley, Robson hang around because they will not be given a chance. Then there's Moore - a super talent in the making but surely he will want to see change.

One of Levy and ENICs biggest investments has been the academy, but it's been under used.

If Levy believes Conte is the right man, and he got him in cos he was a winner who knew what he wanted, then they need to back him (but that will continue to be to the detriment of youth - so the recent investment in Spence and Sarr is illogical).

Money is no longer an issue as our financials will show, these will only improve with a winning team.

If they dont back then Conte will leave and so should Levy.

But back to your post @wheelerdealer, our football is uninspiring with no definite style, and this is partly because Conte has not been backed with personnel to play the style he wishes

Great post.

Coming back to our undefined style of play, I find this the most intriguing and contradictory, as we clamour for free flowing football, but the last 3 managers have a style that is the polar opposite to what the club is all about and the fans demand.

 

[St José Dominguez]

ENICs approach is working for ENIC, but not for the football club that is Tottenham Hotspur. And the chances of reaching success through this method are getting longer by the day, chiefly because of developments outside of ENICs control. Those are the facts. The real worry lies in the fact that ENIC and/or Levy do not have a plan B and appear unwilling or unable to come up with one and change tack to keep up with the rest of the top teams.

That is why ENIC have to go as soon as possible. Yes, they leave the club in a better place than they found it (and will be handsomely rewarded for that). Yes, they've turned it into a very successful business. But I don't support a business - I support a football club. And for 21 years under ENIC, the football club has had to take a backseat to the development of the business. A business that thrives but can never deliver on its professed, main objective - to fund a sustained period of on-field success.
And because on-field success isn't forthcoming with the present setup and the dogmatic approaches to club management, a change of leadership and ownership is desperately needed. Because from where I'm sitting, ENIC and Levy's grand plan is dead in the water.

It’s not out of their control to create a recruitment team that consists of more than a man and his dog. From academy to first team the identification of talented players is quite honestly pathetic. Not just compared to smaller clubs like Brighton but even clubs we should be on a par with like Arsenal. If we can’t buy huge money signings we should be scouting the globe looking for the most talented players and we’re not. We should be yearly bringing in these players to develop them at the best training complex in the world but we’re not. On the football side the club is a complete mess from top to bottom right now and those things are fully in Enics control. Years and years ago we should have put in place an overall structure and plan to become something that can compete with the oil clubs. An identity that doesn’t matter who is in charge of the team because we know how we want to be and play. Instead we just sack off the academy, we ask the manager of the day who do you want? Oh okay we might not get him how about this bloke? No? How about him? Okay yeah he might be alright. It’s all so dated and basic.