ENIC...

[Lighty64]

But we didn't win the 5 finals. He has sacked every single manager who got us to a final. We haven't won fuck all since 2008 and that was a Mickley mouse cup followed by the manager getting screwed in the summer and then sacked.

This is the same debate we have every year. He has fucked over another manager. The irony of course is this manager is only here because he fucked up the manager search.

At what point does Levy have to produce. If poch can lose his job after everything he did then levy certainly can.

He continuously picks the wrong manager, continuously fails to back them, continuously fails to achieve on pitch aims and here he is still one of the best paid football executives in the world and here you are defending him.

Were football supporters. Not property company supporters, we don't support an accountancy firm. We support a football club.

So I don't care about the training ground, I don't care if we have a lodge, I don't care about the NFL, I don't give a shit if we host a boxing match. I care about my football team winning .

We never have under him and we look a million miles off doing so. All that stuff I don't care about you could argue helps us going forward but we have heard it all before. The Carrot gets dangled and dangled and still we fail and still people defend him.

I said all summer, wait and see. Well it ended after a comically bad manager search with a 5th or 6th choice coach who has a squad that is going to seriously struggle to cope.

A good start hid that somewhat but yesterday we got smashed by crystal Palace and looked hopefully toothless. I'm bored of it. I just had to suffer some chelsea wanker produce the most divisive dire football I've ever seen after levy screwed over a beloved manager and here we are months later still watching shit football after that pathetic speech which was clearly full of shit.

What are you backing? There is no history of winning and we are a million miles off winning.

Time to call the under achievement out.

1, Did Levy pick or play in those 5 finals? Ramos was the one that sold Keane and Berbatov (Berbatov had gone on strike) , and you can't blame the 2 players wanting to play for the 2 biggest clubs in the country. Yes we needed a lot better than Fraizer Campbell, but at the time we just wasn't a big enough club that players wanted to join. we had the smallest stadium, we paid the smallest wages so always going to buy top players. he then got rid of a manager that no one wanted to play for, and spent silly in January to get us out of trouble on back on track to being a top 6 team

2, he has backed Nuno, but he couldn't get Paratici to get us the striker needed because the 2 strikers we were connected with went up every time their name was mentioned. he apparently stepped in to block Traore, and thank fuck he did. 7 goals in 4 PL seasons and all he can do is run and dribble, but very little end product. his best attributes would have been a complete waist when playing teams that stuck 11 men behind the ball. if his stats had been worth 45-50m then I'd have been fuming, but they don't

3, Levy is PART OWNER, not staff. the only way he gets shifted is if Lewis buys his 15% stake.

4, he can only back the manager if a, the funds are there. b, a player actually wants to join us (The way your going on anyone would think we are the biggest, richest and best club to ever exist. we are not Barca, RM, and wages and history we can't compete with the other top 5 clubs). the trouble is once on the pitch it's up to the manager and players, they have been good enough to get us into a challenging position, they are the ones that mess up on the day.

5, funny thing is I'm a supporter but I also understand the gulf, which you apparently think is played with monopoly money. how the hell do you expect us to be able to compete with the likes of Man U, Man C, and Chelsea, or even Liverpool. I don't know how old you are, but they are either a lot richer than ENIC, or a hell of a lot bigger clubs than us

6, in the end the other events will be what pays for everything that's needed to pay for the stadium, and the football money will come back towards improving the team (not been open a full season yet). without the training facilities once things can hopefully improve will help draw players to signing. if a top player has the choice of joining us or the smaller clubs and the top teams don't want them, our stadium and training facilities will win the battle.

7, so under him we have been a million miles away? if we had been a million miles away surely we would have been relegated by now, because we are a million times better off with him than we were under Sugar.

8, so what manager do you think would have definitely joined us? and at what cost? managers turned us down because we couldn't pay them what they wanted, or because provide what they wanted. you seem to as I said before think we are bigger than what we actually are..

9, totally agree the good start papered over the cracks, but Palace starting the game without 3 definite starters, losing another early on, and having a player sent off was never going to end well. Nuno got what he had available to start wrong. yes he can only play what Levy has provided for him but he could have still picked a better balanced starting XI. Oh and by the way Paratici didn't actually start till 1st July, and Paratici selected Nuno

10, I'm not backing him, I support Tottenham Hotspur FC, which I've been doing for 51 years. I have seen the massive changes in football and considering the Sugar years in the PL I've seen us become more competitive and not fighting a bottom half finish. I've had the joys of watching some top players and some top times. would I have had an owner that had bottomless pockets and being able to throw money into trophies? not with dirty murderous money like City and Chelsea. would I have liked to luck out like Leicester then yep. no 1 saw that season coming with a team that just survived relegation, and all the top teams opened the door for that fairytale. Yes I know they won the FA Cup last year, they only had 2 tough games in all their way, Man U in the quarters I think, that rested 4-5 regular starters including Fernandes, and then Chelsea in the final, where they scored with their only shot on target a 35 yrd screamer, and their man of the match Schmeichel. sometimes to win games you need LUCK

 

[Lighty64]

Leicester have won two trophies in the past 6/7 years so we are now saying we aren't on a level playing field to them.
If that is the case then that is appalling that a smaller club has overtaken us surely there can be no defending this and yet amazingly some still are.

Since the start of the PL the only teams to have won the PL are

Man U 13 times
Man C and Chelsea 5 times
Arsenal 3 times
Blackburn, Liverpool, and Leicester

was Levy meant to have had a crystal ball the season Leicester won it (and towards the end teams rolled over) and know the usual top 4 were going to have a complete train wreck of a season, at a time when we were playing in a stadium that we could never afford top wages to buy elite, after a season we had struggled to finish 5th. the aim was to get top 5 with top 4 being a bonus, because on paper the team to win it that season wasn't meant to be Leicester a 5000/1 shot at the start, and still 500/1 at Xmas.

our main starting XI the season Leicester won played well all season, but failed in to many games getting draws. Perhaps we should have bought Messi, and Ronaldo with your monopoly money because we should have know a complete freak was about to happen.

with their FA Cup win they had 2 hard games Man U in the QF who rested 5 regular starters and v Chelsea they scored a screamer from 35 yrds and their man of the match was Schmeichel. sometimes in football you need LUCK and if you don't know that by now I suggest you follow a sport where only skill is needed

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Since the start of the PL the only teams to have won the PL are

Man U 13 times
Man C and Chelsea 5 times
Arsenal 3 times
Blackburn, Liverpool, and Leicester

was Levy meant to have had a crystal ball the season Leicester won it (and towards the end teams rolled over) and know the usual top 4 were going to have a complete train wreck of a season, at a time when we were playing in a stadium that we could never afford top wages to buy elite, after a season we had struggled to finish 5th. the aim was to get top 5 with top 4 being a bonus, because on paper the team to win it that season wasn't meant to be Leicester a 5000/1 shot at the start, and still 500/1 at Xmas.

our main starting XI the season Leicester won played well all season, but failed in to many games getting draws. Perhaps we should have bought Messi, and Ronaldo with your monopoly money because we should have know a complete freak was about to happen.

with their FA Cup win they had 2 hard games Man U in the QF who rested 5 regular starters and v Chelsea they scored a screamer from 35 yrds and their man of the match was Schmeichel. sometimes in football you need LUCK and if you don't know that by now I suggest you follow a sport where only skill is needed

Over the years we’ve had many many many opportunities to kick on and just take that next step without the threat of bankruptcy or the such like. Either it wasn’t a prudent business decision or a dreadful decision by our great leader

Give it up. We aren’t cursed we just don’t want to win trophies badly enough!

 

[Lighty64]

Over the years we’ve had many many many opportunities to kick on and just take that next step without the threat of bankruptcy or the such like. Either it wasn’t a prudent business decision or a dreadful decision by our great leader

Give it up. We aren’t cursed we just don’t want to win trophies badly enough!

ok I agree with times we could have improved, please tell me the players we should have signed that would have definitely changed our fortunes

edit: during Poch tenure we only ever signed 2 players in January and neither played or hardly played

 

[southlondonyiddo]

ok I agree with times we could have improved, please tell me the players we should have signed that would have definitely changed our fortunes

edit: during Poch tenure we only ever signed 2 players in January and neither played or hardly played

Sorry, life is too short to think of players that would DEFINITELY changed our fortunes but from memory this goes right the way back to the very beginning and the summer we qualified for Europe with George Graham and didn’t strengthen or kick on accordingly

Its a never ending saga…..

Bloody Groundhog Day, year after year!

 

[rossdapep]

Here's where I am...

At the end of the season, I was pretty much done with ENIC and making excuses for them. The the managerial farce transcended and that really pushed me further.

Once Paratici was appointed, I wasn't particularly sold on it and it felt to me like he was just getting a puppet in or at worst a man to take the blame.

But once Paratici started making some smart moves in the window, I started to feel like maybe DL really had stepped aside. We then had credible links to Vlahovic, Kounde, Martinez and other top prospects which made me start to question whether I was wrong to attack Levy and maybe he was now starting to realise significant investment and a serious intent was what is needed for this club.

However the way the window ended, once again, combined with yesterday's result just brings it all back home to me.

Another opportunity for the club to step in the gas and ensure we are playing with the big boys and he relents.

Everything this summer was done on the cheap once again, and when it came to investing significantly in a player the coach wanted, it is once again deemed too expensive.

Conte really would have been a disaster and probably walked out after 5 minutes.

We are then staring at a defeat that once again puts the half measures we take at the forefront.

Yes, we needed to shift numbers off the books. Yes, we got priced out of some targets. But to not have a creative midfielder or support in attack is just negligent.

Let's say we even had a chance of top 4. That has already been hit hard after yesterday's shambles because you can bet the other top 4 won't put in a result like that versus Palace or have such a limited number of options.

Nuno will take a lot of the heat for the result and performance. Yet the very start of this was because of Levy's ways and poor decisions.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Liverpool have been a massive club for decades, but they still fell away after being 1 of the top 3 clubs throughout the PL. we are nowhere near the size of that club. them and Man U sell more merchandise and have bigger sponsors and fans across the world than we could dream of.

When they fell out it took 8 years to return, they are a bigger club than us, they are the 2nd most successful club in the history of football. football existed before ENIC bought Sugar out

Of course they're bigger but there's no way on earth the size disparity should result in "1 league cup in 20 years". You talk about our bad luck at being runners up. Damn, we're even runners up at being runners up if you examine a little closer.

Aside from the CL final, we're talking 4 LC finals and one PL 2nd place. I'd suggest you take a look at both L'pool and Arsenal's record over the last 20 years in terms of winning trophies and being runners up in various competitions.

Our underperformance under Enic/Levy's tenure is simply staggering even after factoring in size disparities among the clubs.

 

[shelfboy68]

Since the start of the PL the only teams to have won the PL are

Man U 13 times
Man C and Chelsea 5 times
Arsenal 3 times
Blackburn, Liverpool, and Leicester

was Levy meant to have had a crystal ball the season Leicester won it (and towards the end teams rolled over) and know the usual top 4 were going to have a complete train wreck of a season, at a time when we were playing in a stadium that we could never afford top wages to buy elite, after a season we had struggled to finish 5th. the aim was to get top 5 with top 4 being a bonus, because on paper the team to win it that season wasn't meant to be Leicester a 5000/1 shot at the start, and still 500/1 at Xmas.

our main starting XI the season Leicester won played well all season, but failed in to many games getting draws. Perhaps we should have bought Messi, and Ronaldo with your monopoly money because we should have know a complete freak was about to happen.

with their FA Cup win they had 2 hard games Man U in the QF who rested 5 regular starters and v Chelsea they scored a screamer from 35 yrds and their man of the match was Schmeichel. sometimes in football you need LUCK and if you don't know that by now I suggest you follow a sport where only skill is needed

I can only imagine that you must sit at your laptop banging on the keys in frustration at nasty people having a go at your Daniel whilst you sit there with a signed photo of him in a heart shaped frame.
Your post is littered with excuse after excuse defending his poor leadership and decision making that can no longer be tolerated.
If he was running a PLC or any another company fellow shareholders would be voting on a no confidence in him and demanding he steps down.
He is a very lucky man to stay in a job unapposed whilst overseeing a car crash of a club and delivering no on field success and lying to supporters over the clubs football philosophy.
How you can continue to defend the indefensible is beyond me.

 

[Lighty64]

Of course they're bigger but there's no way on earth the size disparity should result in "1 league cup in 20 years". You talk about our bad luck at being runners up. Damn, we're even runners up at being runners up if you examine a little closer.

Aside from the CL final, we're talking 4 LC finals and one PL 2nd place. I'd suggest you take a look at both L'pool and Arsenal's record over the last 20 years in terms of winning trophies and being runners up in various competitions.

Our underperformance under Enic/Levy's tenure is simply staggering even after factoring in size disparities among the clubs.

look if we wasn't even getting anywhere close to winning anything (that's not even reaching finals, or being runners up) and we had some kind of history in cups since the start of the PL, and new CL I could understand.

when we was in the old WHL we on a good day sold out 36k, that's 10-20+ less than the other top 6. when they took over we was nowhere near being a top 6 club. it's no good comparing what we did in the 60's, 70's or 80's because it was a total different ball game. the TV, sponsors and merchandise money wasn't there. if you finished 2nd in the league you played in the UEFA cup and there wasn't any of this group stage money even if you had won the league. Man U was a massive club mainly due to the busby babes, but they took 25yrs to win their 1st PL, but because of the money that became involved that even finishing 2nd, then 3rd then 4th it meant 3 teams in particular where miles better financially and production than everyone else because they dominated.

yes you had Chelsea, Newcastle, Leeds, Villa, and Blackburn all throwing extreme money at the competition, and the only ones that came out trumps in the long run was Chelsea because Abramovic saved their arses. he then threw hundreds of millions to make a strong base, and if the sheik hadn't come along, Chelsea would have won the majority. if those teams are spending 200m+ at the beginning (no FFP in those days, and never started properly till 2011 I believe) and they are getting pretty much guaranteed CL money year in year out with that extra 10-20k fans, massive sponsorships in kit deals and stadium deals (something Chelsea have never of needed) then the only way we would have been able to compete was for ENIC to be spending the same silly money, and had they done that we just might done the famous "doing a Leeds" even though the same fait has actually effected a few clubs but it's never mentioned because Leeds suffered the most.

the only way we could have improved and competed would have been with owners like Chelsea or City, but I very much doubt we would have ever built any new stadium, and would always be on the edge if those owners fucked off. to win cups you need to have a proper squad depth, the luck in the draws, and luck on the day. if the finalist aren't the Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, or Man C these days it's because the finalist have had the luck on the day or through-out the comp with draws. the only teams that we have lost a final or semi final to that are not in the top6 are Portsmouth and Blackburn, both were PL clubs, and both practically did a Leeds. only 4 teams other than Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal have won the FA Cup in 30 years, and over those 30yrs everyone of those 5 have had the financial muscle, or have just been lucky with their route to the final, or had their luck on the day.

 

[Lighty64]

I can only imagine that you must sit at your laptop banging on the keys in frustration at nasty people having a go at your Daniel whilst you sit there with a signed photo of him in a heart shaped frame.
Your post is littered with excuse after excuse defending his poor leadership and decision making that can no longer be tolerated.
If he was running a PLC or any another company fellow shareholders would be voting on a no confidence in him and demanding he steps down.
He is a very lucky man to stay in a job unapposed whilst overseeing a car crash of a club and delivering no on field success and lying to supporters over the clubs football philosophy.
How you can continue to defend the indefensible is beyond me.

no when it comes to you I laugh my arse off, as I have never known or seen you post anything remotely positive. even when we win, or go on a winning run your usual reply is "we will fuck up next week against a shit team", or we will net spend again, yet we haven't before we started the build, and have only once since it's been finished.

if you think I make excuses to defend him, what do you think you are doing with every post to attack him. you come on this thread every time we lose, but go very quiet when we win. when we win with you, it's down to the players or the overachieving manager, when we lose "it's Levy's fault" PATHETIC.

we had rumours of buying a back up striker, now I know it's a big what if, but what if we had bought Martinez in the summer? it wouldn't have made a difference on Saturday because he would have been in Croatia with Lo Celso, Romero and Sanchez.

He isn't running a PLC though is he so yet another what if excuse. He also isn't in a job derrr "HE IS PART OWNER", THAT ISN'T ON THE FIELD EVERY TIME WE LOSE!

I'm not defending him though, ENIC told us their plans from the get go, it's not my fault you can't understand that we won't spend what we haven't got, should mean something that suits you.

since I've been a live Spurs have always been known as a cup team, the only difference is when we get into a final as a team we fail, yet in your view the team doesn't fail, it's all because of Levy

 

[Albertbarich]

1, Did Levy pick or play in those 5 finals? Ramos was the one that sold Keane and Berbatov (Berbatov had gone on strike) , and you can't blame the 2 players wanting to play for the 2 biggest clubs in the country. Yes we needed a lot better than Fraizer Campbell, but at the time we just wasn't a big enough club that players wanted to join. we had the smallest stadium, we paid the smallest wages so always going to buy top players. he then got rid of a manager that no one wanted to play for, and spent silly in January to get us out of trouble on back on track to being a top 6 team

2, he has backed Nuno, but he couldn't get Paratici to get us the striker needed because the 2 strikers we were connected with went up every time their name was mentioned. he apparently stepped in to block Traore, and thank fuck he did. 7 goals in 4 PL seasons and all he can do is run and dribble, but very little end product. his best attributes would have been a complete waist when playing teams that stuck 11 men behind the ball. if his stats had been worth 45-50m then I'd have been fuming, but they don't

3, Levy is PART OWNER, not staff. the only way he gets shifted is if Lewis buys his 15% stake.

4, he can only back the manager if a, the funds are there. b, a player actually wants to join us (The way your going on anyone would think we are the biggest, richest and best club to ever exist. we are not Barca, RM, and wages and history we can't compete with the other top 5 clubs). the trouble is once on the pitch it's up to the manager and players, they have been good enough to get us into a challenging position, they are the ones that mess up on the day.

5, funny thing is I'm a supporter but I also understand the gulf, which you apparently think is played with monopoly money. how the hell do you expect us to be able to compete with the likes of Man U, Man C, and Chelsea, or even Liverpool. I don't know how old you are, but they are either a lot richer than ENIC, or a hell of a lot bigger clubs than us

6, in the end the other events will be what pays for everything that's needed to pay for the stadium, and the football money will come back towards improving the team (not been open a full season yet). without the training facilities once things can hopefully improve will help draw players to signing. if a top player has the choice of joining us or the smaller clubs and the top teams don't want them, our stadium and training facilities will win the battle.

7, so under him we have been a million miles away? if we had been a million miles away surely we would have been relegated by now, because we are a million times better off with him than we were under Sugar.

8, so what manager do you think would have definitely joined us? and at what cost? managers turned us down because we couldn't pay them what they wanted, or because provide what they wanted. you seem to as I said before think we are bigger than what we actually are..

9, totally agree the good start papered over the cracks, but Palace starting the game without 3 definite starters, losing another early on, and having a player sent off was never going to end well. Nuno got what he had available to start wrong. yes he can only play what Levy has provided for him but he could have still picked a better balanced starting XI. Oh and by the way Paratici didn't actually start till 1st July, and Paratici selected Nuno

10, I'm not backing him, I support Tottenham Hotspur FC, which I've been doing for 51 years. I have seen the massive changes in football and considering the Sugar years in the PL I've seen us become more competitive and not fighting a bottom half finish. I've had the joys of watching some top players and some top times. would I have had an owner that had bottomless pockets and being able to throw money into trophies? not with dirty murderous money like City and Chelsea. would I have liked to luck out like Leicester then yep. no 1 saw that season coming with a team that just survived relegation, and all the top teams opened the door for that fairytale. Yes I know they won the FA Cup last year, they only had 2 tough games in all their way, Man U in the quarters I think, that rested 4-5 regular starters including Fernandes, and then Chelsea in the final, where they scored with their only shot on target a 35 yrd screamer, and their man of the match Schmeichel. sometimes to win games you

need LUCK

1, Did Levy pick or play in those 5 finals? Ramos was the one that sold Keane and Berbatov (Berbatov had gone on strike) , and you can't blame the 2 players wanting to play for the 2 biggest clubs in the country. Yes we needed a lot better than Fraizer Campbell, but at the time we just wasn't a big enough club that players wanted to join. we had the smallest stadium, we paid the smallest wages so always going to buy top players. he then got rid of a manager that no one wanted to play for, and spent silly in January to get us out of trouble on back on track to being a top 6 team

2, he has backed Nuno, but he couldn't get Paratici to get us the striker needed because the 2 strikers we were connected with went up every time their name was mentioned. he apparently stepped in to block Traore, and thank fuck he did. 7 goals in 4 PL seasons and all he can do is run and dribble, but very little end product. his best attributes would have been a complete waist when playing teams that stuck 11 men behind the ball. if his stats had been worth 45-50m then I'd have been fuming, but they don't

3, Levy is PART OWNER, not staff. the only way he gets shifted is if Lewis buys his 15% stake.

4, he can only back the manager if a, the funds are there. b, a player actually wants to join us (The way your going on anyone would think we are the biggest, richest and best club to ever exist. we are not Barca, RM, and wages and history we can't compete with the other top 5 clubs). the trouble is once on the pitch it's up to the manager and players, they have been good enough to get us into a challenging position, they are the ones that mess up on the day.

5, funny thing is I'm a supporter but I also understand the gulf, which you apparently think is played with monopoly money. how the hell do you expect us to be able to compete with the likes of Man U, Man C, and Chelsea, or even Liverpool. I don't know how old you are, but they are either a lot richer than ENIC, or a hell of a lot bigger clubs than us

6, in the end the other events will be what pays for everything that's needed to pay for the stadium, and the football money will come back towards improving the team (not been open a full season yet). without the training facilities once things can hopefully improve will help draw players to signing. if a top player has the choice of joining us or the smaller clubs and the top teams don't want them, our stadium and training facilities will win the battle.

7, so under him we have been a million miles away? if we had been a million miles away surely we would have been relegated by now, because we are a million times better off with him than we were under Sugar.

8, so what manager do you think would have definitely joined us? and at what cost? managers turned us down because we couldn't pay them what they wanted, or because provide what they wanted. you seem to as I said before think we are bigger than what we actually are..

9, totally agree the good start papered over the cracks, but Palace starting the game without 3 definite starters, losing another early on, and having a player sent off was never going to end well. Nuno got what he had available to start wrong. yes he can only play what Levy has provided for him but he could have still picked a better balanced starting XI. Oh and by the way Paratici didn't actually start till 1st July, and Paratici selected Nuno

10, I'm not backing him, I support Tottenham Hotspur FC, which I've been doing for 51 years. I have seen the massive changes in football and considering the Sugar years in the PL I've seen us become more competitive and not fighting a bottom half finish. I've had the joys of watching some top players and some top times. would I have had an owner that had bottomless pockets and being able to throw money into trophies? not with dirty murderous money like City and Chelsea. would I have liked to luck out like Leicester then yep. no 1 saw that season coming with a team that just survived relegation, and all the top teams opened the door for that fairytale. Yes I know they won the FA Cup last year, they only had 2 tough games in all their way, Man U in the quarters I think, that rested 4-5 regular starters including Fernandes, and then Chelsea in the final, where they scored with their only shot on target a 35 yrd screamer, and their man of the match Schmeichel. sometimes to win games you need LUCK

Ramos sold berbatov and keane.
Not a big enough club to get any better than frasier Campbell.
Smallest stadium, smallest wages.

That's three things you said in just point one.

I'm not trawling through 9 more of those points for a troll.

Have fun mate.

Edit - I cant use this forums new quote function clearly haha

 

[crazyguitarman]

I have supported Spurs for nearly 20 years, and not once in that time have I ever found myself in the "Levy out" camp. I understand he has his faults, and we could do a lot worse, but generally the progression of the club during his tenure has been positive and the stature of the club has improved under his reign. I think he has earned a bit of leeway from the fans to give him time to right the ship when things aren't quite going his way.

For me though, that leeway time runs out this season. I genuinely can't remember the last decision he has made which has benefited the team from a footballing perspective. Nobody can get it right every time, but when was the last time Levy got it right whatsoever? Here is just a sample of decisions he has made in recent history which hindsight has proven were bad decisions:

1. Not backing our most successful manager of the last 20 years, after he got us to the final of the CL.
2. Replacing him with a washed-up manager who many considered unsuited to progressing the squad he inherited, and too defensive for the ethos of the club.
3. Sacking said manager in the days leading up to a cup final, arguably the one achievement he could have actually given us.
4. The whole ESL fiasco.
5. Unsettling our best player due to "a lack of ambition".
6. The complete lack of any semblance of a plan for hiring a new manager over the summer.
7. Finally some good luck, a world-class manager (Conte) is suddenly available and wants to come, just in time for ST renewals. The ST deadline passes and suddenly we can't get the deal over the line, again citing "a lack of ambition".

The jury is out on the decisions over the latest transfer window, on Nuno, and on the situation with Covid and the injury issues we are already affected by this season. I hope by the end of 21/22 we can look back and say "Levy was right" on at least one or two of these aspects, and then I may be inclined to give him more time. Can anybody seriously say they are happy with the direction of the club right now though?

For me, this season is the last chance, and I have been saying this since the end of last season. If we don't start to see the payoff from a footballing perspective this season, then I will finally make the transition to "Levy out" and I am pretty sure I won't be the only one.

 

[DiVaio]

I have supported Spurs for nearly 20 years, and not once in that time have I ever found myself in the "Levy out" camp. I understand he has his faults, and we could do a lot worse, but generally the progression of the club during his tenure has been positive and the stature of the club has improved under his reign. I think he has earned a bit of leeway from the fans to give him time to right the ship when things aren't quite going his way.

For me though, that leeway time runs out this season. I genuinely can't remember the last decision he has made which has benefited the team from a footballing perspective. Nobody can get it right every time, but when was the last time Levy got it right whatsoever? Here is just a sample of decisions he has made in recent history which hindsight has proven were bad decisions:

1. Not backing our most successful manager of the last 20 years, after he got us to the final of the CL.
2. Replacing him with a washed-up manager who many considered unsuited to progressing the squad he inherited, and too defensive for the ethos of the club.
3. Sacking said manager in the days leading up to a cup final, arguably the one achievement he could have actually given us.
4. The whole ESL fiasco.
5. Unsettling our best player due to "a lack of ambition".
6. The complete lack of any semblance of a plan for hiring a new manager over the summer.
7. Finally some good luck, a world-class manager (Conte) is suddenly available and wants to come, just in time for ST renewals. The ST deadline passes and suddenly we can't get the deal over the line, again citing "a lack of ambition".

The jury is out on the decisions over the latest transfer window, on Nuno, and on the situation with Covid and the injury issues we are already affected by this season. I hope by the end of 21/22 we can look back and say "Levy was right" on at least one or two of these aspects, and then I may be inclined to give him more time. Can anybody seriously say they are happy with the direction of the club right now though?

For me, this season is the last chance, and I have been saying this since the end of last season. If we don't start to see the payoff from a footballing perspective this season, then I will finally make the transition to "Levy out" and I am pretty sure I won't be the only one.

1. He wanted Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon after the CL final, he got them.
2. Fanbase wanted Levy to be ambitious and wanted to win trophies. Mourinho was winning them in every club before, it was smart decision to go for him. It didn't work out, but it's just hindsight saying he was washed-up manager then.
3. We were horrible for a few months under Mourinho, replacing him with Mason made winning this game more probable . Tactic plan wouldn't be any different.
4. Every owner in the world would agree to join ESL.
5. Very good post from @Spurrific about "a lack of ambition", here is the link. How he unsettled Kane at all? I would say Kane missing pre season as part of forcing a transfer, or going to Sky Sport during season when we were still playing for Europe place unsettled our club more.
6. Before Paratici came basically no one knew anything about our managerial search. Then fanbase wanted new Director of Football who was responsible for another month of search. Or again, no one knew anything.
7. This is just a conspiracy theory that doesn't make any sense?? Saying that we want Conte as our new manager only for PR reason doesn't help at all as fanbase can only be dissapointed in the future, and I remember that ~95% of season ticket holders bought them again. If you want to believe media, then he wasn't that keen for coming here. Conte left Inter because they didn't have a lot of money to spend, Real weren't seriously considering him as he would want probably unrealistic amount of money in middle of pandemic. It's not only "lack of ambition" in this case.

 

[dudu]

As others have said, in terms of the squad, it's also if anything more to do with how badly we've squandered money than the amount spent. If the fees and wages are as reported, Ndombele and Lo Celso will cost us a combined £178,000,000 over their contracts. For comparison, Pogba's cost was £179m. If they start contributing to our team in the same way Pogba does at United, I think things will swiftly improve. If they continue not to do so, then that window goes down as one of the most extraordinary fuck-ups in football history. Considering that the year before was the infamous no-transfers window, that's a level of failure that really should have everyone questioning whether those responsible can seriously continue their jobs, no matter their previous track record.

Didn't the guy who wanted them get sacked?

 

[Lighty64]

Ramos sold berbatov and keane.
Not a big enough club to get any better than frasier Campbell.
Smallest stadium, smallest wages.

That's three things you said in just point one.

I'm not trawling through 9 more of those points for a troll.

Have fun mate.

Edit - I cant use this forums new quote function clearly haha

I only answer everyone of your moans.

those 3 points are true, unless you can prove I'm wrong. If you think we are a bigger club than what we are and should be able to do better then fair do's, but in 2009 we wasn't big enough in my opinion that meant we could sell a Berbatov and replace him last minute dot com with a striker as good, and even if we had sold him earlier we would have still struggled to buy as good

I agree not keen on the changes.

 

[cliff jones]

Ramos defensive? ?

So he’s at least 80% right then?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

So he’s at least 80% right then?

Not sure what that has to do with anything but you do you cliff ?

 

[crazyguitarman]

1. He wanted Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon after the CL final, he got them.
2. Fanbase wanted Levy to be ambitious and wanted to win trophies. Mourinho was winning them in every club before, it was smart decision to go for him. It didn't work out, but it's just hindsight saying he was washed-up manager then.
3. We were horrible for a few months under Mourinho, replacing him with Mason made winning this game more probable . Tactic plan wouldn't be any different.
4. Every owner in the world would agree to join ESL.
5. Very good post from @Spurrific about "a lack of ambition", here is the link. How he unsettled Kane at all? I would say Kane missing pre season as part of forcing a transfer, or going to Sky Sport during season when we were still playing for Europe place unsettled our club more.
6. Before Paratici came basically no one knew anything about our managerial search. Then fanbase wanted new Director of Football who was responsible for another month of search. Or again, no one knew anything.
7. This is just a conspiracy theory that doesn't make any sense?? Saying that we want Conte as our new manager only for PR reason doesn't help at all as fanbase can only be dissapointed in the future, and I remember that ~95% of season ticket holders bought them again. If you want to believe media, then he wasn't that keen for coming here. Conte left Inter because they didn't have a lot of money to spend, Real weren't seriously considering him as he would want probably unrealistic amount of money in middle of pandemic. It's not only "lack of ambition" in this case.

I'm just stating the facts that they were bad footballing decisions in hindsight. Of course, it's easy for me or any of us to say in hindsight, but DL and co are paid millions to get these kind of decisions right more often than not.

To break it down further:
1. Pochettino was sacked, which in hindsight was a bad decision.
2. Mourinho was poor during his tenure at Spurs- bad decision to hire him.
3. Mourinho was sacked right before a cup final- bad decision, we lost the game. Worst possible timing.
4. ESL bad for football full stop.
5. No reason to disregard anything Kane said about staying as long as we matched his ambition. We didn't, he wanted to leave, and the rest is what happened after he already made the decision to leave.
6. Nobody interviewed was available before Mourinho was sacked. You can argue that the club needs to be "opportunistic" in this scenario, but don't see how there could have been a plan in place at all. The turmoil that followed was a result of this strategy.
7. Again, just stating facts. We can't say one way or another whether that's what the club actually intended, but the timing is a) In talks with Conte media says he wants to come; b) ST deadline passes; c) talks off and media indicates due to "lack of ambition". The whole fiasco has no upside for the club.

When exactly in all that has Levy got it right? To be clear, I'm not criticising the business side but the impact of his decisions on the actual footballing side of the club.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

1. He wanted Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon after the CL final, he got them.
2. Fanbase wanted Levy to be ambitious and wanted to win trophies. Mourinho was winning them in every club before, it was smart decision to go for him. It didn't work out, but it's just hindsight saying he was washed-up manager then.
3. We were horrible for a few months under Mourinho, replacing him with Mason made winning this game more probable . Tactic plan wouldn't be any different.
4. Every owner in the world would agree to join ESL.
5. Very good post from @Spurrific about "a lack of ambition", here is the link. How he unsettled Kane at all? I would say Kane missing pre season as part of forcing a transfer, or going to Sky Sport during season when we were still playing for Europe place unsettled our club more.
6. Before Paratici came basically no one knew anything about our managerial search. Then fanbase wanted new Director of Football who was responsible for another month of search. Or again, no one knew anything.
7. This is just a conspiracy theory that doesn't make any sense?? Saying that we want Conte as our new manager only for PR reason doesn't help at all as fanbase can only be dissapointed in the future, and I remember that ~95% of season ticket holders bought them again. If you want to believe media, then he wasn't that keen for coming here. Conte left Inter because they didn't have a lot of money to spend, Real weren't seriously considering him as he would want probably unrealistic amount of money in middle of pandemic. It's not only "lack of ambition" in this case.

Sacking one of the greatest managers of all time, that lives to win trophies & silverware, a week before a Cup Final & replacing him with a little boy, gives you more chance of winning the game

Ok??

 

[DiVaio]

Sacking one of the greatest managers of all time, that lives to win trophies & silverware, a week before a Cup Final & replacing him with a little boy, gives you more chance of winning the game

Ok??

And now consider that last match against City we lost 3:0, since 2:0 against them in November we had 11 games against top10 club and won only one against Aston Villa(without Grealish), that he lost dressing room and were horrible in other cups as we were knocked out by Everton, Dinamo.
Yes, he was winning a lot of trophies, but how many of these cup finals he won as a manager of weaker club? Not a lot.