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Sorry, I meant to multiquote but actually pressed 'post.' (See: I want maximum positive ratings).I don’t understand why it’s so important to have absolute belief in every facet of a manager or player. The people criticising them, do so because they support the club and don’t want players they consider to be very poor, having a negative effect on it. People react to reasonable and specific criticism like you’ve just gargled the blood of their firstborn. I‘ve never been anything but supportive of our players when I;ve been at games, but outside of that, supporting a player you think has been woeful/does not put in any effort, is surely the opposite of supporting the club. It just comes down to whether you rate Dier or not.
I'm not saying you have to. By all means, post what you would like to see and why you'd like to see it. This is a discussion forum after all.
No, the problem I have is when people criticise a player for doing exactly what he's asked to do, and doing it well, because the player is not doing what the poster would like to see instead. It's a bizarre criteria to judge a player on because that's just not what they're being asked to do.
And not put in any effort? You can't actually be serious, right? I'll counter that by pointing you in the direction of pretty much every game he's ever played for Tottenham as proof that you're wrong. It also indicates that your opinion is largely formed by a bias, which is also suggested in the foul claim you made earlier which was quickly proved incorrect by facts.
And yeah, while I agree that you dont have to have absolute belief in a player, or manager, I'm interested to know why you think Pochettino himself continues to play Dier (i think he's played more football than everyone bar Hugo and Eriksen over the last 2 or 3 seasons, but that could be wrong) despite him being, in your words, woeful? Do you yourself ever consider another perspective other than your own? it couldn't be because he's good at doing exactly what he's being asked to do, could it?
As above, I thought that silly analogy was clearly tongue in cheek. Sorry for being too vague on that one.Tyson is a physicist/presenter. His expertise in his field is hardly comparable to the personal opinions of a football manager. Ernest Hemingway at least worked in a qualitative field, and as such, is frequently the subject of dogged criticism over his style - he’s probably more popular outside of the English Lit world, than within it (not that english Lit students/professors have opinions particularly worth listening to, which is my point). Differing perspectives should be an opportunity for a bit of self-examination re your own. Outside of Liverpool anyway. Even if you ultimately reject them, at least you know there’s some validity to doing that.
As for that last sentence or three, that's some advice you could do with applying to yourself.
Are you talking about BCs tendency to regularly use straw men, and other fallacies? If so, I agree.I think it’s telling when the defence of a player, is to try to devalue all the critical points raised against them, rather than addressing them.
Again, if this is directed at me, I posted a few pages back a lengthy list of things I believe Dier does well and why people who say he brings nothing to midfield are wrong imo.
Again, it's a discussion forum, so go for your life, but some humility and not effectively calling our players awful, lazy thugs would be a good start. it's also worth considering that your perspective may not be correct either, a fact that many when they post seem to overlook, even me.Where is the line in terms of when humans are allowed to question one very small aspect of a manager’s judgemen? Is it just Poch and other top level managers? Does proficiency in a job, mean having no flaws in that job?
Was Capello a fantastic England manager? Mourinho made good choices in flogging Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku?
What happens when Pochettino changes his mind, changes the formation, and his ideas about things? Was he right before or after? How about never loaning our best young players?
Should we be mocking anyone who disagrees with Mark Lawrenson.. after all he’s a hugely experienced and successful player and pundit, while we’re all just armchair managers whose opinions are accordingly inferior.
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