Eric Dier

[mil1lion]

I'm sure Bremer would have been a starter, maybe with Romero playing central and Bremer right central. So I do feel we want to upgrade in that position but Dier isn't as easy to replace as maybe suggested. I'm liking Lenglet in there atm but need to see a longer run of games from him in the role. If he does end up the regular choice there we need a left centre back instead. I would prefer Davies ahead of Dier so my ideal 3 would be Davies, Lenglet and Romero of the options we have. I don't see as many mistakes in Davies as Dier or Sanchez.

 

[Clark28]

Feels like a lot of the goals we concede come from individual errors.

Then we're chasing a game/under more pressure.

 

[fortworthspur]

if you start enough games as a defender you're going to gift someone a goal.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

if you start enough games as a defender you're going to gift someone a goal.

it maybe right but Dier who plays in a key role has made a habit of late two more on Sunday

 

[Japhet]

it maybe right but Dier who plays in a key role has made a habit of late two more on Sunday

He's hit a patch of bad form for sure, but previous to that he's been very good and is trusted with organizing those around him. He's got through harder things than this before so I'm not overly worried for now.

 

[robhumphreys]

I'm sure Bremer would have been a starter, maybe with Romero playing central and Bremer right central. So I do feel we want to upgrade in that position but Dier isn't as easy to replace as maybe suggested. I'm liking Lenglet in there atm but need to see a longer run of games from him in the role. If he does end up the regular choice there we need a left centre back instead. I would prefer Davies ahead of Dier so my ideal 3 would be Davies, Lenglet and Romero of the options we have. I don't see as many mistakes in Davies as Dier or Sanchez.

I think Romero is not the right type of player to Marshall the back 3. He's too gung ho for that position. Lenglet maybe suitable.
I still think that Romero Dier and Lenglet are the best back 3 when fit.

 

[Trix]

I think Romero is not the right type of player to Marshall the back 3. He's too gung ho for that position. Lenglet maybe suitable.
I still think that Romero Dier and Lenglet are the best back 3 when fit.

That we currently have? Yeah you are probably right. So it shows that this is an area that needs addressing.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

He's hit a patch of bad form for sure, but previous to that he's been very good and is trusted with organizing those around him. He's got through harder things than this before so I'm not overly worried for now.

he needs a spell out of the team he has been woeful over the last month a series of mistakes and poor play

 

[Japhet]

he needs a spell out of the team he has been woeful over the last month a series of mistakes and poor play

Well, Sonny's been awful all season but Conte loves him just as he loves Dier, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Well, Sonny's been awful all season but Conte loves him just as he loves Dier, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.

Sonny don't cost you two goals in a game like Dier did on Sunday and I can't be bothered to go through the others but there are quite a few Conte's strange loyalty to players is at best puzzling

 

[mil1lion]

It's more annoying that he'll go to the world cup. He could do with the rest to reset both physically and mentally.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Sonny don't cost you two goals in a game like Dier did on Sunday and I can't be bothered to go through the others but there are quite a few Conte's strange loyalty to players is at best puzzling

Defensive errors always get far more criticism than offensive errors. Son has failed to score from an uncharacteristically high number of chances this season (he currently has his worst goal / xG ratio of any season in a Spurs shirt). Failing to score has as big an impact on a score as gifting the opposition a goal.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Defensive errors always get far more criticism than offensive errors. Son has failed to score from an uncharacteristically high number of chances this season (he currently has his worst goal / xG ratio of any season in a Spurs shirt). Failing to score has as big an impact on a score as gifting the opposition a goal.

it really doesn't - goals change football matches misses don't really - two mistakes on Sunday against a decent side you lose the game but its not only mistakes its the type of mistakes the first goal in Sunday is lazy defending not tracking his man then defending space the game was even until them it gives them a huge lift then he makes a schoolboy error - defensive errors will always be bigger profile because there so impactful - forwards miss chances that's part of the game but the score remains the same a goal conceded your chasing the game it changes the whole course of a game

 

[robhumphreys]

Sonny don't cost you two goals in a game like Dier did on Sunday and I can't be bothered to go through the others but there are quite a few Conte's strange loyalty to players is at best puzzling

Actually he costs more than that as at times its like we are playing with 10 men. When Son is off form he's just gifting the ball to the opposition.

 

[smallsnc]

I'm sure Bremer would have been a starter, maybe with Romero playing central and Bremer right central. So I do feel we want to upgrade in that position but Dier isn't as easy to replace as maybe suggested. I'm liking Lenglet in there atm but need to see a longer run of games from him in the role. If he does end up the regular choice there we need a left centre back instead. I would prefer Davies ahead of Dier so my ideal 3 would be Davies, Lenglet and Romero of the options we have. I don't see as many mistakes in Davies as Dier or Sanchez.

Those that think Romero could do well consistently as the central player in a Conte 3 man backline, either don't understand Conte's system or haven't really noticed how proactive / rash of a defender Romero is. Conte wants someone to sit and organize with the LCB and RCB playing on the front foot and being aggressive. Romero has not shown the discipline to play like that when he had to play for Dier last year. Lenglet played too flat and did not anticipate / cover on many occasions since he has been playing CCB, but seems to be getting a free pass.

Do I think we can improve on Dier? Absolutely, but I think he is the best we currently have at the CCB role. The problem with our back line since Dier has moved to the right is that we have down graded in 2 positions, IMO. Romero > Dier at RCB and Dier > Lenglet at CCB.

 

[mil1lion]

Those that think Romero could do well consistently as the central player in a Conte 3 man backline, either don't understand Conte's system or haven't really noticed how proactive / rash of a defender Romero is. Conte wants someone to sit and organize with the LCB and RCB playing on the front foot and being aggressive. Romero has not shown the discipline to play like that when he had to play for Dier last year. Lenglet played too flat and did not anticipate / cover on many occasions since he has been playing CCB, but seems to be getting a free pass.

Do I think we can improve on Dier? Absolutely, but I think he is the best we currently have at the CCB role. The problem with our back line since Dier has moved to the right is that we have down graded in 2 positions, IMO. Romero > Dier at RCB and Dier > Lenglet at CCB.

I'm more trying to guess what we would have done with Bremer as he would have been a starter and neither he or Romero would play on the left side I doubt.

 

[smallsnc]

I'm more trying to guess what we would have done with Bremer as he would have been a starter and neither he or Romero would play on the left side I doubt.

I have not watched Bremer enough to know what style of player he is, best attributes, etc. Just know that Romero does not fit the Conte CCB role.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

it really doesn't - goals change football matches misses don't really - two mistakes on Sunday against a decent side you lose the game but its not only mistakes its the type of mistakes the first goal in Sunday is lazy defending not tracking his man then defending space the game was even until them it gives them a huge lift then he makes a schoolboy error - defensive errors will always be bigger profile because there so impactful - forwards miss chances that's part of the game but the score remains the same a goal conceded your chasing the game it changes the whole course of a game

I don't understand your logic. Failing to score a goal literally impacts the score by the same number of goals as conceding a goal does. Being a goal up changes the whole course of the game in just the same way that being a goal down does - it's simply the opposite team that has a lead to defend. A win is achieved by outscoring the opponent, not by keeping a clean sheet.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I don't understand your logic. Failing to score a goal literally impacts the score by the same number of goals as conceding a goal does. Being a goal up changes the whole course of the game in just the same way that being a goal down does - it's simply the opposite team that has a lead to defend. A win is achieved by outscoring the opponent, not by keeping a clean sheet.

the logic is simple you concede a goal it has an effect on a game missed chances don't - a missed chance wont effect tactics of either side a goal does effects the mind its affects the outlook pretty much everything - goals change football matches though your right of course its vice versa but where talking about a defender making basic errors that is always more costly than a forward missing a chance each season you start with 38 points you either lose them of win them - defending though its much maligned wins your more games than forwards usually do

 

[HertsYid]

It's more annoying that he'll go to the world cup. He could do with the rest to reset both physically and mentally.

Not just go, he's 1/12 odds on with the bookies to start the opening game