Eric Dier

[Frank Blank]

Do the great and the good at our club actually bother to examine whether a player fits the profile of the club they're trying to fob said player off to?

Pace wise, Dier is about as useful to Bournemouth as a one-legged man in an arse kicking contest.

 

[THFC_is_my_life]

Would you take a pay cut or have your employer decide where your next job is? I’m not happy that he’s still here but I think the onus is on the club here. Pay him off and move on.

I completely understand how difficult it is to shift below-par players, and if you look at my post history you’ll see I am generally fair and balanced around these things and will always give the benefit of the doubt.

On this occasion my point is more around the fact that we get these same excuses every single summer around how hard it is and how we’re so unlucky compared to other clubs. The same players that stick around like a relative on a Sunday end up being the weak link across a season, and the cycle repeats again.

To your final point - I agree, pay him off and be done with him. I just find it pretty sad that some players have such little drive that they’re prepared to sit out for a year, potentially to the detriment of their own career.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Would you take a pay cut or have your employer decide where your next job is? I’m not happy that he’s still here but I think the onus is on the club here. Pay him off and move on.

Pay Cut? Who said anything about pay cut, if Dier sees out his last year at Fulham surely Fulham would take his full wage from us, I doubt he would be told it’s only 50%.

 

[THFC_is_my_life]

Don’t remember either of them playing 360 games for spurs including 30+ league starts for 4 teams that made the CL. Might be wrong though and he’s as useless as you think

I know this is a reply to a different post, but I don’t think people are saying he’s useless. The manager is telling him that he’s not in his plans, and like you says - after 10 years, 360 games and CL starts, it’s probably time for him to move on.

Him not doing so actively detriments us as a Club, as we need the squad spaces and aren’t owned by a state with an unlimited budget. I understand the attachment to players who grown up with the club, but we need need to, at some point, cut ties and look forward where they don’t fit the system. Otherwise it’s pointless for both sides - we have an asset we can’t use, and he’s not playing any football.

Not trying to argue, but just my opinion

 

[h2005]

Pay Cut? Who said anything about pay cut, if Dier sees out his last year at Fulham surely Fulham would take his full wage from us, I doubt he would be told it’s only 50%.

That’s why I used the word “or”. He obviously didn’t want to work at Fulham.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

Don’t remember either of them playing 360 games for spurs including 30+ league starts for 4 teams that made the CL. Might be wrong though and he’s as useless as you think

And modern football contracts have literally millions of pounds of bonuses in them to reward these kinds of events. He’s been paid his CL bonuses plus over ten million pounds of wages.

Even that utter prick Aubameyang left the Goon on a termination without getting his future wages. Why do we keep paying out for them? We aren’t a charity and we’re talking about players who earn more in a year than most of us will earn in a lifetime.

 

[Thenewcat]

I know this is a reply to a different post, but I don’t think people are saying he’s useless. The manager is telling him that he’s not in his plans, and like you says - after 10 years, 360 games and CL starts, it’s probably time for him to move on.

Him not doing so actively detriments us as a Club, as we need the squad spaces and aren’t owned by a state with an unlimited budget. I understand the attachment to players who grown up with the club, but we need need to, at some point, cut ties and look forward where they don’t fit the system. Otherwise it’s pointless for both sides - we have an asset we can’t use, and he’s not playing any football.

Not trying to argue, but just my opinion

I was replying directly to a comment that described Aurier and Doherty as ‘more use’ than Dier. I’ve no issue with anything in your post, as long as you don’t think he should be forced to go anywhere we want him to go

 

[Thenewcat]

And modern football contracts have literally millions of pounds of bonuses in them to reward these kinds of events. He’s been paid his CL bonuses plus over ten million pounds of wages.

Even that utter prick Aubameyang left the Goon on a termination without getting his future wages. Why do we keep paying out for them? We aren’t a charity and we’re talking about players who earn more in a year than most of us will earn in a lifetime.

Because that’s what a contract is. We can’t opt not to honour it because you don’t like Eric Dier

 

[h2005]

You're treating it like he works at Tesco and we'll telling him he has to work a pound land

No I’m treating it like a job. Football is his job.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

That’s why I used the word “or”. He obviously didn’t want to work at Fulham.

bizarre mentality though. He probably won’t even be registered with us so will spend a year doing nothing when he could have at least played for 1 season and put himself in the shop window before his contract runs out.

 

[Dillspur]

No I’m treating it like a job. Football is his job.

obviously we can only guess. But why not take a loan? He'll still get the same wages and he'll be able to do his job which is to play football and get his free transfer.

 

[robhumphreys]

My understanding was that we dont want him to go on loan but will only accept a sale. I would imagine he would jump at the chance of a loan. That way he still plays and sees out the last year of his contract.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

Because that’s what a contract is. We can’t opt not to honour it because you don’t like Eric Dier

Correct: it’s Dier’s right to be paid for the next year and it’s Spurs’ right to pay him for that year and not register him, meaning he likely wont get a decent free move next summer.

We have a problem with players refusing moves and looking to see out their contracts for a big payday on a Bosman, and as others have pointed out: we probably need to be a bit harsher on the not registering&playing side to encourage players in the future to take the moves when it’s in our interest.

 

[Joely]

I would imagine he would jump at the chance of a loan. That way he still plays and sees out the last year of his contract.

Have thought this is what would happen in the end. Wouldn't surprise me if something late happens with a loan. Him sitting here helps absolutely no one. He isn't good enough even more so with the system we use. My guess is we are waiting right till the end to see if we can somehow shift him for money or as part of a deal for a player we are targeting but as we close in on the deadline think we'll accept a loan that sees him go.

 

[h2005]

obviously we can only guess. But why not take a loan? He'll still get the same wages and he'll be able to do his job which is to play football and get his free transfer.

Ya if that was on the table I don’t understand why he wouldn’t take it.

 

[ukdy]

bizarre mentality though. He probably won’t even be registered with us so will spend a year doing nothing when he could have at least played for 1 season and put himself in the shop window before his contract runs out.

& get himself into consideration for the Euros

 

[GetSpurredOn]

If he's not registered, and I don't believe he will be, I wouldn't be surprised if he's paid off and leaves by mutual agreement. He could then join Bayern as a free agent now they've failed to get Chalobah done in time.

The bit I don’t get, is if we pay him off after 11pm tonight, then we’re short. If we’d paid him off at 11am this morning that would have given us time/space to get another CB in.
I understand that there is always the chance someone may come in so we don’t have to pay him off, but doesn’t there come a tipping point where the benefit a CB who we can actually rely on is more value to us.

 

[isaac94]

Don’t remember either of them playing 360 games for spurs including 30+ league starts for 4 teams that made the CL. Might be wrong though and he’s as useless as you think

Never said that he was useless, but Doherty had come off a decent season and was favoured before by Conte when released, whilst Dier has struggled and clearly not suited for Ange's style of football, Doherty and Aurier were more use to Contes system than Dier is to anges, that combined with his higher wage means it makes much more sense to cancel his contract

 

[WiganSpur]

If he's not registered, and I don't believe he will be, I wouldn't be surprised if he's paid off and leaves by mutual agreement. He could then join Bayern as a free agent now they've failed to get Chalobah done in time.

No wonder he doesn't want to leave. We have to stop doing this. Keep him for the year, let him train out of the first team if that's what Ange wants. We have to set a precedent that we won't give players golden handshakes for underperformance, then next time they might actually leave knowing they'd financially benefit.

 

[isaac94]

No I’m treating it like a job. Football is his job.

job satisfaction counts for a lot, hardly playing all season surely doesn't result in job satisfaction if you are a proud footballer?