European Super League Mega Thread

[wrd]

I just read the CL reform and Good Lord it is horrendous - it's actually a mess lol it's obviously designed to keep the rich clubs richer, just like FFP was.

Kinda depressing that we have these governing bodies in charge of running football and a new proposed body trying to breakaway with an equally terrible idea.

This is what was killing about a lot of fans opinion because the breakaway didn’t have to be terrible idea, they used the shitness of uefa to justify their own greed instead of making things better and people are willing to go along with it because apparently two wrongs cancel each other out these days

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

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[ajspurs]

I want it to happen just because it looks like it would rightly screw over and piss off Sky.

It just annoys me how they, like others, are also jumping off the back of the public reaction and trying to act like the people's saviours in all of this, as if they give a massive shit about the people.

 

[Shadydan]

I think that those saying we won't be kicked out of the premier league, how these clubs hold all the cards etc are being naive.

This is an existential threat to FIFA/UEFA/FA. I don't see how they have any choice but to kick them all out.

Sure, it would damage all competitions in the short term. But, one of the undenyable things about modern football is that fans do not have the same loyalty - look at the rise in support for City and Chelsea. Man U fans outside Manchester for example will just switch to a new team.

Kick the 6 out, a large proportion of fans would just switch to supporting whoever is winning. It'll take a few seasons, but for arguments sake if without the 6 West Ham are able to challenge for the premier league title I guarantee they would see a huge swell in support - particularly from foreign fans who have no real allegiance to their club.

Kicking the 6 out in effect means the creation of a competing code. I honestly don't know the full ins and outs of it but it seems to me it would create a league/union situation like in rugby where you have two codes operating independantly where there is little to no crossover.

For players, they would have to choose what code they want to play for. I'm sure short term, most players would follow the money. But, what happens long term? Emerging talent coming through the FIFA/FA code would not be able to switch codes easily, so any clubs in the super league would not be able to buy players as they as able to currently.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my understanding is wrong, but are transfer fees not for the registration of the player? The registration held by The FA/UEFA/FIFA. There would be nothing to stop the FA refusing to transfer the player registration to Super League clubs, meaning the only way players could switch codes would be to wait until their contract and registration expires to make the switch.

It seems a huge risk to me for the founding members of the super league, they are taking on FIFA/UEFA/FA and I think they are underestimating the power and influence of them.

Short term, I think a super league would be a raging success. But, 5, 10 years down the line I wouldn't be surprised to see it implode.

Supporters and viewers want to see the best players. If Super League teams cannot sign the best players in future would there still be an willing and eager base ready to pay to watch?

It seems unthinkable, but it is well within the realms of possibility that this could backfire badly on all involved. If the 6 are kicked out of the premier league, players restricted from UEFA and FIFA competitions if (or when) it fails and doesn't sustain the revenue and interest for whatever reason, what happens to those clubs? Would they ever be allowed to switch back to a FIFA code league? If, so would they have to start at the bottom of the pyramid like AFC Wimbledon?

Unlikely, I admit, but I can envisage a future where any club involved in this could cease to exist within a few years. If it goes wrong, it is going to go BADLY wrong imo.

Admire your optimism but never in a million years will casual fans just switch to a new team, the new age fans (who this is targeted) follow the best players who play for rhe best teams.

Also these clubs have more power then you think, The PL and UEFA can't afford to kick them out because if they do they lose their sponsorships and viewing figures will decrease, to put it simply they need these team in there to sell their product.

 

[thebenjamin]

I agree with Gary Neville, it will fall apart as soon as one of the clubs pulls out it might be the end of it. I would hope it’s us but we might not be big enough. Man City will be the ones, their owners need the money less than anyone else. They’re in it for the PR anyway, they don’t need this huge negativity.

Agree. Man City or Chelsea will pull out, the whole thing will fall apart. The CL will basically turn into this model, except Spurs won't be involved. Spursy etc

 

[SpartanSpur]

I think Perez let it slip what he really wants from UEFA as a compromise - he wants these harsh reforms to come in but also come in ASAP, not 2024. Obviously the money has probably made the SL his preference but I think that'll get the clubs to step down. They are also anti-competitive changes but might now be able to be pushed through as a 'least worst' scenario.

 

[Chirpystheman]

How can anyone defend Levy?!? This is a shambles. Without getting hyperbolic he has done irreparable damage to spurs name. Amongst alot of fans who don't support the other 5 clubs we are usually held in high regard because we have broken into the top 4 doing it the right way. Hell we showed fans everywhere that achieving great success in the champions League isn't impossible - ok we didn't win it but bloody hell we made the final after some of the best end to games any of us have ever seen.

Levy has ruined all that. He has alienated all (well reading this thread maybe is just most) of us "legacy fans" as they like to call us.

Sorry im not sure what forums you read or if you go to away games. Spurs are one of the most hated teams in the country. No one looks at spurs and thinks they are my second team. Pretty much all London clubs hate us. Southampton hate us. Leicester fans hate us. We have been seen as a club for a long while with a delusional fan base who think we are bigger than we are. Levy hadn't ruined that. It's pretty simple. We have been asked to be a part of it. A lot of legal work has gone into this and big players are behind it. Banks don't just slap 5bn on the table without serious planning. So when something like this is going ahead you either get involved and protect our club financially and making sure we can remain competitive as well as you stay involved in all future discussions. This also makes spurs a lot more attractive investment opportunity because right now we are being held up as 1 of the 12 most powerful teams in the game.

If you think Everton Leicester West Ham etc would have turned down the 1 chance to be part of this and get a nice 310m incentive on day dot you are delusional. It would be bordering on negligence not to go with it. The champions league reform is just as corrupt. 4 teams in on previous merit. 30% of prize fund based on past achievements and a league table with 10 fixtures. Who draws them, are the big guys gonna be seeded so they never play each other rigging the game further. The fact the CL isn't an open draw practically makes it an unfair competition. Dont be so short sighted. In 10 years if it happens and Everton were in it instead and we can't compete and every year our best players leave to one of the 6 we'd all be crying about why did Levy not get us in it. He was stupid and he should have been bold and brave etc.

To be clear though I don't agree with it at all. I think it's corrupt. However most of football is and if it was a choice between being in it and hated or bkt being in it and being laughed at and having no chance of ever competing I want in to it. Teams will still try in the league as they do now. People are acting like teams don't rotate and throw cup comps now. If anything it will make the cup comps more competitive as every team will try to win them

 

[TheRevolution]

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Fantastic statement from Everton

 

[Trix]

I've had Sky Sports News on for the first time in ages for the last 22 mins. My word, this is nauseating.

The absolute cheek of them to be this annoyed, making backhanded comments. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be in this position. Their "passion" is for their own pockets, they dont give a shit about the fans or the clubs any more than Florentino fucking Perez

So are Sky calling for fans to boycott the cup final in protest the two teams involved are part of the breakaway? Or are they as I suspect, encouraging everyone to pay them £15 to watch it on every and break?

 

[wadewill]

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Fantastic statement from Everton

It is but again, they wouldnt be making that if they were invited.

Its very easy to play the moral high ground if you have been shafted

 

[SpartanSpur]

Good statement from Everton, but anyone that thinks Moshiri wouldn't have snapped Perez' hands off for an invitation is kidding themselves.

 

[Danny1]

Let me start off by saying that I think the Super League isn't a good idea. However, the fallout is total over the top from a few people.

- Gary Neville is the biggest hypocrite going. If he truly believes in a fair game then he wouldn't be pumping money into a small side to try and get them up the leagues as quickly as possible. Not exactly fair. He is going so over the top with his reactions & possibly because he now knows he will never get Salford to where he wants them to be.

- Micah Richards, who I have a lot of respect for, came out with "Man City have grown to the top organically....." which is total bollocks. They bought their way to the top by way of billionaire owners.

- UEFA saying the integrity of the game will be gone, and then go on to release their new version of the Champions League which is just as bad at the Super League. Total morons.

- FIFA talking about integrity despite signing off the Qatar World Cup which is resulting in slave labour & countless deaths.

Simply, football has been a business for decades, the only team to win the Premier League who didn't splash out millions to do so have been Leicester. One team in 30 years. We have Chelsea & Man City who, before their owners bought them, were relatively minor clubs who now are talked about as the biggest in the world. It's false.

There needed to be something done about UEFA as they are already killing the game, much like they proclaim "The Super League" will do. I personally cannot see the Super League happening in its current exact format, but if it somehow started a dialogue to ensure a better footballing pyramid then that is a good thing (optimistic I know).

For me, The Super League is basically trying to become the new UEFA, which is a shame as us fans are now stuck between a rock & a hard place. A totally corrupt & idiotic UEFA & FIFA and a bunch of crazy rich bastards at The Super League.

 

[elfy]

They won't play for Villa and Shef It's they'll play in the super League, the elite competition where all the money is.

Again, short term you are right. My point is that by kicking them out of the Premier League and FIFA/UEFA competitions the Super League effectively becomes a seperate code like the split in Rugby between League and Union where switching between the two is difficult.

Say, for example, the next World Cup there is an 18yr old breakout talent that is contracted to a FIFA code team for 5 years. Super League teams would not be able to sign the player until his FIFA recognised registration expires (My assumption would be when his contract ends).

Obviously, that is assuming that FIFA were to block switching between FIFA codes and Super League codes, and that is my point. Even with all the money, how would the Super League be sustainable without FIFA/UEFA/FA etc? And how long would that money stay in the Super League if FIFA were able to block teams from signing the best players?

 

[Amo]

I think if the league's started kicking them out we'd just see a full on European super League form. It could very well kill the Prem altogether as far as foreign TV money is concerned. It would be financial suicide from the EPL imo.

I wouldn't be against a new top tier or set of supranational leagues that are fed by the top clubs in domestic leagues. This ain't that.

Anyone need money for founding Tottenham AFC?

I'll chip in once my bid to provide Super League branded wet wipes has been confirmed. Angelli said the tender is a sham and I'd win for sure.

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Fantastic statement from Everton

Cue "but they'd do the same!" cries. Fantastic deflection from one's own actual hypocrisy to attack someone else's hypothetical hypocrisy.

 

[GutBucket]

Everton were counting on Sky's TV money to build the stadium, they have a lot to lose if EPL kicks out top 6. If they don't they will never be able to catch up anyway without ESL money.

 

[cookiemonster]

So this despicable little "so called fan" midhet is wiiling to turn us into regular whipping boys on the pitch & a laughing stock for $$$

 

[Jamturk]

I hope this doesn't go ahead and that the ownership of clubs is reformed along the lines of the German leagues. Us supporters shouldn't be fighting for FIFA, UEFA or SKY but ourselves in all of this.

This in my opinion is the only good outcome of all of this.

 

[George94]

I can't quite comprehend the fact we could be voted out the Premier League by the 14 other clubs today.

And to say, "it won't happen, they won't have the bottle" is just arrogance. They absolutely could and I would be heartbroken.

 

[Indisguise]

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Fantastic statement from Everton

It is but again, they wouldnt be making that if they were invited.

Its very easy to play the moral high ground if you have been shafted

You do realise that it's within the realms of possibility that they actually have integrity and genuinely wouldn't be interested in being part of such a self-serving bunch of capitalistic clubs? Yeah, all football clubs are about money but there may well be a limit for some of them at least.

 

[jonnyrotten]

I just read the CL reform and Good Lord it is horrendous - it's actually a mess lol it's obviously designed to keep the rich clubs richer, just like FFP was.

Kinda depressing that we have these governing bodies in charge of running football and a new proposed body trying to breakaway with an equally terrible idea.

Yeah, the CL has been brilliant recently, didnt need reform. They're only messing with it to appease the big players. Clearly didn't go far enough, but imo their mistake was bending over for the big clubs anyway and showing weakness.