European Super League Mega Thread

[Donki]

Also Pep doesn't seem impressed.


The first sentence of the second paragraph is why they would be against it.

I don't agree, Amazon is owned by the richest man on the planet, they have nothing to gain from releasing this statement, we are all so cynical these days.

 

[wrd]

Hypothetical question..

If United, Liverpool,City, Arsenal and Chelsea were the only English teams involved in the new league, how would you feel about Spurs not being there, taking into account the amount of money those 5 would be earning and the standard of players they could buy?

I think a lot would depend on the financial changes to the prem, if we were still entitled to earn the money available now in europe and the prem tv money then I'd feel better that we were on the right side of the argument morally and I'd want us to be the team who challenges these fucking sell outs and tries to go toe to toe with them despite our financial limitations. I.e What we've always done up until this point.

 

[onthetwo]

The only fun part of this IMO will be the presentation of it....imagine the security measures theyll need!

 

[C0YS]

By choosing not to exist and sending their supporters for spelling tests lol

Ok but what should exist instead? What do you think UEFA is?

 

[Bump]

To be honest, it is just quite refreshing to hear someone talk about it in a calm manner.

 

[Amo]

Hypothetical question..

If United, Liverpool,City, Arsenal and Chelsea were the only English teams involved in the new league, how would you feel about Spurs not being there, taking into account the amount of money those 5 would be earning and the standard of players they could buy?

I have the same question to those saying they're all for it.

 

[chas vs dave]

Genuinely confused. Why do people not like UEFA? I think a lot of people are band wagon hating or confusing them with fifa. Very strange stance imo. Particularly in this context.

Even if you had one or two complaints (like you might with the English FA) it wouldn’t cause you to dismiss all their legitimate concerns to a major threat to the game.

Perhaps look who's on the board.

He owns a specific club...

 

[yawa]

To be honest, it is just quite refreshing to hear someone talk about it in a calm manner.

The definition of big/top 6 is clear.

 

[LSUY]

Aslo, if Boris gets involved with this, isn't there some sort of UEFA rule about government interference in football matters? I'm sure I remembers something about this in the past.

But surely that only applies to football matters that are UEFA sanctioned? The ESL isn't sanctioned by either UEFA or FIFA therefore I assume the government can interfere.

 

[C0YS]

You think managers had no idea what’s been discussed for the last 2-3 years? And that they found out at the same time as us?

That appears very much to be the case, yes I fully believe that.

 

[wrd]

Genuinely confused. Why do people not like UEFA? I think a lot of people are band wagon hating or confusing them with fifa. Very strange stance imo. Particularly in this context.

Even if you had one or two complaints (like you might with the English FA) it wouldn’t cause you to dismiss all their legitimate concerns to a major threat to the game.

My issue with Uefa stems from their poor implementation of financial fair play and allowing clubs to dope their way to the top. They dropped the ball big time especially with Man City. They also had some corruption involving the now Fifa president when it came to how they sold the TV Rights and lined the pockets of their executives. Their attempt at reimagining the Champions League whilst still better than the super league leaves a lot to be desired also.

 

[Tonio]

You think managers had no idea what’s been discussed for the last 2-3 years? And that they found out at the same time as us?

Why would you inform the managers? They're employees only and have no say at board level.

 

[WiganSpur]

As long as they were kicked out of our league I would be okay with it. In fact I would love it. I'm aware of the ramifications financially, but the prem and other leagues would have to have some sort of bailout package to keep clubs afloat in the short term whilst wage bills were lowered over time.

Would most of the best players gravitate to the super league? Maybe? Probably. But we would have good players relative to the rest of the league. I'd be happy as larry watching us battle for the title with real football clubs even if our players weren't superstars. That's just me though.

Totally agree and dispels the "no choice" merchants. As the biggest club in England to opt out and take a moral stance, do people really think the PL and governing bodies would sit back and do nothing and let us and 3-4 other clubs (likely us, Leicester, Everton etc) do a Leeds? We'd still have a great football club and an honest one at that. I'd rather us lose our best players than be a part of this scheme. Also, from a purely self serving perspective, if it did indeed go ahead, as the biggest English club outside of the ESL we'd likely qualify for it most seasons anyway. Levy just hasn't thought this through.

 

[wrd]

To be honest, it is just quite refreshing to hear someone talk about it in a calm manner.

I think on sporting merit when compared to Leicester, we look a bit foolish. As he said, we're in there because of our financials and the size of our fanbase, not on sporting achievement.

 

[TheRevolution]

Too late to reverse the reputational damage regardless.

Even if we did get out I wouldn't be surprised if the other clubs refused to do transfer dealings with us again.

 

[Chattaben]

It’s actually hilarious how blinded people must have been to how money and money alone has driven football for decades.

You could argue that success breeds money, but that’s not entirely true.

- Liverpool dominated the 80s. Check their net spend.

- Man U dominated the early PL years. The could literally buy any player from any UK club. I grew up in this era and it seemed like they would dominate English football forever.

- Blackburn upset this after being bankrolled by a mega rich fan in Jack Walker. If he didn’t come along, players like Shearer would have gone to Man U instead.

- Chelsea were literally on par (or below us) in stature until mega rich Matthew Harding came along.

- Chelsea then go on to be run by the Russian Mafia. They win shit loads and it seems to be widely ignored that this is dirty money. My Chelsea fan mates lap it up.

- City get taken over by a country and now dominate English football. It’s never even mentioned? Sky wildly celebrate their incredible achievements. They have spent BILLIONS of dirty money. Their fans lap it up.

- European football has been dominated by the clubs like Real Madrid who have revenues that no club could ever organically match. They have a cartel set up domestically so that 90% of tv and commercial revenues come to them.


I totally hate how football is driven by money in this way. I have always been proud of Spurs for what we stand for. But honestly what credit do we ever get for this? Sky are quick to shoot us down for ‘not investing in players’ or throwing money at it. Now here they all are pretending to love the beautiful game. They laud City every week. They are TOTAL hypocrites.

None of the Chelsea or City fans I know give a shit about how they got all their success. They lap it up and laugh in our faces - saying we are just jealous.

We are going along for the ride here because we basically have no choice. You can’t turn down this sort of money. Fans will make their own minds up whether or not they still care about the club.

Its a shit situation but football hasn’t really changed overnight. It’s been about money for as long as we can all remember.

This is why the "Earn it" and meritocracy arguments against the SL fall apart. No one can honestly say that Chelsea, City, and PSG has worked hard and earned their recent successes. They bought them!

You can't have it both ways. You can't say teams must earn their places in competitions through fair play but then not recognize that money can essentially buy your way into those places by outspending everyone around you.

The SL may not happen next season or the one after that but it's coming. It's only a matter of time. Money always wins out.

 

[yawa]

Why would you inform the managers? They're employees only and have no say at board level.

I just don’t believe in a small community that is football. That the clubs senior members including managers weren’t aware.

 

[Bump]

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The definition of big/top 6 is clear.

Oh, I have no doubt it was about the finances. If anything, it makes more sense to do it this way if you are looking to create a branded super league. These clubs also tend to have the greatest global reach. I was more just commenting on his demeanour. There are a lot of enraged people discussing and commenting on this without trying to talk about it with logic and in a calm way.

 

[joelstinton14]

Why do so many fans say they would stop supporting the club, that wouldn’t happen.
I said I’d stop supporting Spurs when we appointed gooners Terry Neill and George Graham as managers. I said the same when we sold Pat Jennings to Arsenal. Stop supporting Spurs, oh come on!

Other replies have eluded to this being a whole different thing to liking or disliking personal, its the very fabric of the game being torn up to suit a select few bank accounts.

For many this isn't just a one decision thing. Many of us have been dissullioned with the game for a very long time. Dissullioned with the money involved, the wages, the transfer fees, the agent wages, Teams buying titles. Ticket prices. Obsession with transfers, disrecpt of trophies, clubs and players, the instant gratification of the modern game etc etc. Many have only hung on for the love of the game, seeing players like Messi, Ronaldo flourish on the big stages, and the fact Tottenham are one of the few big sides who have tried to do things the right way. We seen all the hard work of the last 20 years effectively thrown out of the window. We've (Either on purpose, or misjudgement) become the things that we hated.

One of the best things to come out of this is prominent names talking about the failures of our current system, how we courted billionaires, how wages are too high, how fans have no say in the big game. We got a massive opportunity to reform. I'm still unsure whether i will stop supporting spurs, its a lot to process, but one of the key things I will be looking at is how we decide to move on from this and reform the game. If the game throws up token gestures than I will probably move on. Sit down for 5 minutes and have a think how fucked the game as become and you might decide too to.

 

[Amo]