European Super League Mega Thread

[spursfan77]

So Perez says no English club has paid the penalty fee for leaving and so haven’t officially left. Got to wonder how much that is.

 

[Amo]

So Perez says no English club has paid the penalty fee for leaving and so haven’t officially left. Got to wonder how much that is.

Some reporters say the fees only come into force once the competition starts not right now.

Maybe they can have a Classico ESL Final next week so Real and Barca can sue the other ten clubs.

 

[riggi]

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If you don’t understand or appreciate what is going on here or still think Levy has the best interests of the fans at heart listen to this podcast from the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust, their meetings with Levy and his response to the governance points, it’s disgraceful:

‎THSTOfficial's Podcast: THSTOfficial EP.10 - European Super League plans on Apple Podcasts

‎Show THSTOfficial's Podcast, Ep THSTOfficial EP.10 - European Super League plans - 20 Apr 2021

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Amo]

‘Suffer consequences’: Uefa to discuss punishments for Super League rebels

Uefa is considering imposing sanctions on the 12 clubs involved in the failed attempt to establish a breakaway European Super League

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gspurs11]

Would work out even better for Arsenal who could finish about 10th. They'll probably know this though and make it a one year ban the next time you qualify for Europe ?

We scrape the Conference League only to be dealt a hammer blow

 

[spursfan77]

This article covers my theory why the Liverpool owners really wanted to break away. Being able to show the games themselves through their own in house tv channel. They could make millions.

Football finance expert explains numbers that made FSG betray Liverpool

John Henry made a concious decision to attach Liverpool to the European Super League proposals. But why? What were the financial motivations?

merseysportlive.co.uk

Maguire continued to explain the discrepancy between what UEFA currently offers and what the European Super League could have generated with their so called ‘Netflix’-styled model.

Such a model offered Liverpool and others the chance to generate huge sums via selling rights to wealthy distributers who would have come circling, such as Disney or Amazon.

Crucially, clubs would also have had the capacity to stream some games in-house and hoover the direct profit of those games. Such pay-per-view prices could have only been set at £1-2 pounds per match for around 3 games. But with the fanbase projections and the modelled interest the financial incentives would have been astronomical.

“The so called ‘franchise clubs’ have been trying to extract greater concessions in terms of control and broadcasting rights. If I was John Henry and made my money as a commodity trader and who is Boston Red Sox fan, why would I be bothered about competitive balance in the Premier League when I can make $100m per match selling TV.” Maguire said.

The proposition of making around $100m per game appeared too tantalising for Henry to pass. It appeared easy. In-house streaming cut out the middle man, and when the middle man was required we can leverage higher prices for wealthier clientele.

With the estimated fan bases of the ‘top six’ and Maguire stating Manchester United claim to have 1.1 billion fans worldwide, the numbers and results “don’t even require a spreadsheet” to see the financial gains these clubs would have made.

 

[EireYid]

 

[PLTuck]

This article covers my theory why the Liverpool owners really wanted to break away. Being able to show the games themselves through their own in house tv channel. They could make millions.

Football finance expert explains numbers that made FSG betray Liverpool

John Henry made a concious decision to attach Liverpool to the European Super League proposals. But why? What were the financial motivations?

merseysportlive.co.uk

Maguire continued to explain the discrepancy between what UEFA currently offers and what the European Super League could have generated with their so called ‘Netflix’-styled model.

Such a model offered Liverpool and others the chance to generate huge sums via selling rights to wealthy distributers who would have come circling, such as Disney or Amazon.

Crucially, clubs would also have had the capacity to stream some games in-house and hoover the direct profit of those games. Such pay-per-view prices could have only been set at £1-2 pounds per match for around 3 games. But with the fanbase projections and the modelled interest the financial incentives would have been astronomical.

“The so called ‘franchise clubs’ have been trying to extract greater concessions in terms of control and broadcasting rights. If I was John Henry and made my money as a commodity trader and who is Boston Red Sox fan, why would I be bothered about competitive balance in the Premier League when I can make $100m per match selling TV.” Maguire said.

The proposition of making around $100m per game appeared too tantalising for Henry to pass. It appeared easy. In-house streaming cut out the middle man, and when the middle man was required we can leverage higher prices for wealthier clientele.

With the estimated fan bases of the ‘top six’ and Maguire stating Manchester United claim to have 1.1 billion fans worldwide, the numbers and results “don’t even require a spreadsheet” to see the financial gains these clubs would have made.

I'm all for a football netflix actually as long as the sub isnt extortionate *cough*£100 a month SKY*cough*, but it should cover the whole professional pyramid, not just 6 self declared top clubs.

 

[Julmust]

I'm not going to respond to every single point because this level of picking apart a post is bordering on insanity. Suffice to say it is pretty funny that you've arbitrarily decided that the fan reaction had anything whatsoever to do with the ESL falling apart, compared to the very real threats of being barred from all sporting competitions and having players banned from international matches. It's hilarious you think Levy is more bothered by Dave the plumber waving a sign outside the ground than he is Harry Kane barging into his office and accusing him of sabotaging his England career.

You do you - you continue to live in your Disneyland world where it was the plucky fans wot did it, who brought down the evil capitalist giants and saved the day. Keep thinking that when your tickets prices keep going up "for the fans" despite already being the highest in the world. Keep thinking it when the club is off to China for pre-season "for the fans". Keep it in mind next time you pay your Sky Sports bill, and enjoy the warm glow of knowing that football belongs to the fans again.

You won! High five!

BTW the one point I'll address is that the German clubs didn't join because constitutionally they legally can't, and PSG didn't join because they're owned by a nation state who really, really don't need the money.

And you've arbitrarily chosen to believe in the absurd notion that the threat by the PL to exclude the 6 clubs from the league, or by FIFA to ban players from the World Cup, carried any substance whatsoever.

And again, your entire argument relies on putting words in my mouth. Your post is completely unrelated to anything I wrote.

 

[spursfan77]

I'm all for a football netflix actually as long as the sub isnt extortionate *cough*£100 a month SKY*cough*, but it should cover the whole professional pyramid, not just 6 self declared top clubs.

With profits shared equally between the 20 clubs, yes, not with clubs doing it themselves. That would be awful.

 

[PLTuck]

With profits shared equally between the 20 100 clubs, yes, not with clubs doing it themselves. That would be awful.

 

[PLTuck]

with it split into leagues as obviously the PL teams will get more views so should get a bigger chunk. But League 2 teams should still get a nice extra bunce, shared equally between the L2 teams. Pay netflix type prices like £10 a month and watch any game. Make it globally available. Make billions without fucking over the average fan or the LL clubs.

But of course billions isnt enough. A small group of people want all those 10s of billions to themselves. Symptomatic of society as a whole unfortunately.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

If you don’t understand or appreciate what is going on here or still think Levy has the best interests of the fans at heart listen to this podcast from the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust, their meetings with Levy and his response to the government points, it’s disgraceful:

‎THSTOfficial's Podcast: THSTOfficial EP.10 - European Super League plans on Apple Podcasts

‎Show THSTOfficial's Podcast, Ep THSTOfficial EP.10 - European Super League plans - 20 Apr 2021

podcasts.apple.com

Every fan should listen to that before commenting further, in particular listen to what Levy was saying about the fan... come on guys don’t be ignorant, at least listen

*mate post this in ENIC thread, should be stickied there

 

[C0YS]

This is such an idealistic point of view but not realistic.

Do you know why billionaires are billionaires and why they are more successful than the average person? It's because they are prepared to take risks that no-one else would. Yes you can say that now that the ESL has collapsed it looks like a ridiculous decision but it would have 100% benefitted us in every single way and we would have been stupid not to have joined it. That stadium debt isn't going to pay for itself and you'll be pissed off when the revenue isn't coming in from the broadcasters or sponsors and the club have to raise your season ticket prices to watch a load of shite on the pitch in order to pay for the stadium because that's exactly what would have happened if we were left behind.

Ok that’s a simplified version of how people become billionaires for sure. but fine. A lot of football owners However were born into wealth, or inherited wealth.

I think the super league wouldn’t have made as much money as they thought. Like unless they were to change kick of times so Far East Asian fans can watch it, but even then. The CL is largely successful because of its European audience not its global one. Like I think it was a move that was completely out of touch pure and simple, made clear by the increasingly erratic comments made by Pérez and Agnelli.

 

[THFC_SWE]

I don't think they should ban the clubs from participating in CL and EL. I think Uefa should give the prize money the clubs earn to charity. Play for the glory, not the money.

 

[John48]

I do think there's a lot of hot air being used on this, but for a club like Spurs who don't have a BNaire who's prepared to pump millions in to buy players the ESL might have been away to increase it's revenue so as to increase it's transfer budget.

Clubs like Chelski & MCity don't really have to worry about increasing their revenue because their owners are prepared to pump money in when required.

The fact that we were included though is something of a surprise because what we do or done on the pitch in recent years doesn't justify it.

 

[Chattaben]

If UEFA bans the 12 teams from European competition for a year, then it would surely have an affect on the TV revenue that UEFA will earn. Will people want to watch Champions League games like Lazio vs Villareal or Leeds United vs Real Betis?

 

[tototoner]

Perez coming across like Comical Ali now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56842442

The European Super League (ESL) is on "standby" despite nine of the 12 founding teams withdrawing, says Real Madrid president Florentino Perez.

"We're going to continue working," said Perez. "The project is on standby."

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus have not withdrawn, although Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli said the project could not now proceed.

Speaking on the El Larguero show on Spanish radio station Cadena Ser, Super League chairman Perez claimed all 12 clubs "have not left yet".

"You cannot get out of the contract like this - they are binding contracts," he added.

When asked what the penalty was for leaving the project, Perez did not answer.

Perez reiterated his view that the ESL was created "to save football", having also previously said the move had been made because young people were "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games".

He added he was "sad and disappointed" by the reaction to the project, which the clubs have been working on "for around three years".

He accused Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin and various countries' footballing authorities of "aggression" and "threats" towards the ESL.

"Maybe we didn't explain it well, but they also didn't give us an opportunity to explain it," said the 74-year-old.

"I've been in football for 20 years and I've never seen threats like this. It was like we killed someone. It was like we killed football. But we were trying to work out how to save football."

"The Champions League format is old and only interesting from the quarter-finals onwards," said Perez.

"This format clearly doesn't work, so we thought that we could have a format where the most important teams in Europe play against each other from the very beginning of the season.

"We worked out the numbers and felt we could make much more money, more money for all the other teams too."

Perez also claimed one of English football's 'big six' - Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham - were reluctant about the ESL from the start.

"There was someone in the English group that didn't have much interest, I won't say who," he said.

"That began to infect others, who are also people of an age, and who are perhaps afraid because they did not understand anything of what was happening.

"We all signed a binding agreement, but I think one was never very convinced."

 

[carmeldevil]

Perez coming across like Comical Ali now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56842442

The European Super League (ESL) is on "standby" despite nine of the 12 founding teams withdrawing, says Real Madrid president Florentino Perez.

"We're going to continue working," said Perez. "The project is on standby."

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus have not withdrawn, although Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli said the project could not now proceed.

Speaking on the El Larguero show on Spanish radio station Cadena Ser, Super League chairman Perez claimed all 12 clubs "have not left yet".

"You cannot get out of the contract like this - they are binding contracts," he added.

When asked what the penalty was for leaving the project, Perez did not answer.

Perez reiterated his view that the ESL was created "to save football", having also previously said the move had been made because young people were "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games".

He added he was "sad and disappointed" by the reaction to the project, which the clubs have been working on "for around three years".

He accused Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin and various countries' footballing authorities of "aggression" and "threats" towards the ESL.

"Maybe we didn't explain it well, but they also didn't give us an opportunity to explain it," said the 74-year-old.

"I've been in football for 20 years and I've never seen threats like this. It was like we killed someone. It was like we killed football. But we were trying to work out how to save football."

"The Champions League format is old and only interesting from the quarter-finals onwards," said Perez.

"This format clearly doesn't work, so we thought that we could have a format where the most important teams in Europe play against each other from the very beginning of the season.

"We worked out the numbers and felt we could make much more money, more money for all the other teams too."

Perez also claimed one of English football's 'big six' - Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham - were reluctant about the ESL from the start.

"There was someone in the English group that didn't have much interest, I won't say who," he said.

"That began to infect others, who are also people of an age, and who are perhaps afraid because they did not understand anything of what was happening.

"We all signed a binding agreement, but I think one was never very convinced."

All Perez has to do to save football is to sign a new streaming rights with Pornhub. Problem solved.