Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[the yid]

Woogate
King
Gallas
Verts
Toby
Romero
And Voldemort

Jonjo Shelvey never played fornus and he's a midfielder

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

They are not all on the same page with Poch. But you know how it goes. My opinion, he is seen as a convenient safe bet which will appease fans at the least. There is a reluctance to gamble on unproven managers. What a mess.

Not questioning you and thanks for sharing but for me going for Poch as long as we do it very early in summer and give him time to plan his pre season etc would mean it’s not that much of a mess, a mess would be if we do another long drawn out manager search and end up with another waste of time shit manager in Nuno.

If we decide Poch is low risk and has unfinished business then as long as we move quickly to do that for me that would be fine.

 

[Chris Flynn]

I always saw him as more of a natural striker though #gingerpele

Why do people always get into debates of who was better Pele or the Ginger Pele. Why cant we just enjoy them both?

 

[rossdapep]

Not questioning you and thanks for sharing but for me going for Poch as long as we do it very early in summer and give him time to plan his pre season etc would mean it’s not that much of a mess, a mess would be if we do another long drawn out manager search and end up with another waste of time shit manager in Nuno.

If we decide Poch is low risk and has unfinished business then as long as we move quickly to do that for me that would be fine.

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

I'd really like the next appointment to be well thought out and have a real plan behind it.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

I'd really like the next appointment to be well thought out and have a real plan behind it.

the real plan is relatively simple to win football matches playing with a bit of panache - the remainder is to move the club forward looking at a transfer plan that is achievable and nurtures talent from both within the club and from outside - Poch has proved that he can do both at least to some degree - we are lucky to have such a clear and outstanding candidate

its a little soul destroying not to mention dour having to watch a Tottenham team redefining themselves as grinders over the last 3 managers

 

[Harrier]

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

Not if there is reflection on both sides about what they could have done better last time.

IMHO as far as Levy is concerned that would be the appropriate investment to refresh the squad, and for Poch it would be accepting a DoF to effectively recruit the right players.

Poch was a good fit for us, and with him we accomplished the most we have in decades.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

I'd really like the next appointment to be well thought out and have a real plan behind it.

There’s a reason the business is unfinished, because you couldn’t finish it in the first place.

Unlikely it gets finished second time around.

 

[Trix]

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

I'd really like the next appointment to be well thought out and have a real plan behind it.

I'm slowly coming around to the possibility of Poch returning, if indeed Conte leaves. I keep saying it but as long as Levy is pulling the strings I think any manager coming in is somewhat hamstrung, but at least with Poch he is aware of what he's letting himself in for. Whether you are for or against Mauricio returning, one thing the fan base are all pretty much on the same page about is that we all know MP is a good coach, and he brings with him a decent back room team. Moreso even those that weren't keen on his return would at least get behind him so hopefully it won't be the same level of vitriol at every loss, or even decision, that the fans didn't agree with. My only concern would be that both Manager and Levy would have had to have moved on from his last stint and this would need to be a clean slate. If he did return you'd have to hope that both Levy and Pochettino had learned a few lessons from the last time he was here and can find a way to make sure that things don't reach a stalemate situation and are better next time around.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I'm slowly coming around to the possibility of Poch returning, if indeed Conte leaves. I keep saying it but as long as Levy is pulling the strings I think any manager coming in is somewhat hamstrung, but at least with Poch he is aware of what he's letting himself in for. Whether you are for or against Mauricio returning, one thing the fan base are all pretty much on the same page about is that we all know MP is a good coach, and he brings with him a decent back room team. Moreso even those that weren't keen on his return would at least get behind him so hopefully it won't be the same level of vitriol at every loss, or even decision, that the fans didn't agree with. My only concern would be that both Manager and Levy would have had to have moved on from his last stint and this would need to be a clean slate. If he did return you'd have to hope that both Levy and Pochettino had learned a few lessons from the last time he was here and can find a way to make sure that things don't reach a stalemate situation and are better next time around.

Thing is tho, in my opinion to work it would need to be a clean slate with the players as well. As it is we have a number of his team still here and even if we shift some there is no way we shift all. I just cant help but feel when things start going a little sideways then it could cause more issues because of this. As far as i can see the only real benefit to bringing in Poch now would be that he knows Levy and that may help him back stage, but we all know Levy will say anything to a manager in order to sign them up. I still think it would be best for him to come back once he really does have a clean slate on all fronts and he has had some more time managing elsewhere at a real club instead of just the circus that is PSG. Im also very worried about him coming back and us not having DoF, even if he isn't a fan of the set up we really need one especially with him.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

I'd really like the next appointment to be well thought out and have a real plan behind it.

Yeah I completely agree, and also tactically i'm not really sure where Poch is right now. He hasn't really been a high press manager for a while, but that could be down to the players he had at his disposal. I would love us to pick our next manager because we think his tactics would suit us rather than fond memories of times past. Really, if im being ultra critical, there is nothing in the last few years that makes me think Poch is now the man to take us forward, as much as I love the guy.

 

[Johnny J]

I'm slowly coming around to the possibility of Poch returning, if indeed Conte leaves. I keep saying it but as long as Levy is pulling the strings I think any manager coming in is somewhat hamstrung, but at least with Poch he is aware of what he's letting himself in for. Whether you are for or against Mauricio returning, one thing the fan base are all pretty much on the same page about is that we all know MP is a good coach, and he brings with him a decent back room team. Moreso even those that weren't keen on his return would at least get behind him so hopefully it won't be the same level of vitriol at every loss, or even decision, that the fans didn't agree with. My only concern would be that both Manager and Levy would have had to have moved on from his last stint and this would need to be a clean slate. If he did return you'd have to hope that both Levy and Pochettino had learned a few lessons from the last time he was here and can find a way to make sure that things don't reach a stalemate situation and are better next time around.

I wonder whether Poch has grown and developed as a coach since he left us. He may well have, but PSG is a basket case and impossible to judge him based on that.

I see where you're coming from, in the "better the devil you know" sense.

But I'm worried it would slip into a comfortably numb BAU situation, whereas what we really need is a complete shake-up of the football side of things.

 

[Trix]

I wonder whether Poch has grown and developed as a coach since he left us. He may well have, but PSG is a basket case and impossible to judge him based on that.

I see where you're coming from, in the "better the devil you know" sense.

But I'm worried it would slip into a comfortably numb BAU situation, whereas what we really need is a complete shake-up of the football side of things.

If Jose and Conte can't get that out of Daniel, I doubt anyone can tbh.

 

[Johnny J]

If Jose and Conte can't get that out of Daniel, I doubt anyone can tbh.

Perhaps Poch might be more persuasive in getting what he wants, if he has a closer relationship with Levy? I'm clutching at straws here.

 

[brasil_spur]

I'm slowly coming around to the possibility of Poch returning, if indeed Conte leaves. I keep saying it but as long as Levy is pulling the strings I think any manager coming in is somewhat hamstrung, but at least with Poch he is aware of what he's letting himself in for. Whether you are for or against Mauricio returning, one thing the fan base are all pretty much on the same page about is that we all know MP is a good coach, and he brings with him a decent back room team. Moreso even those that weren't keen on his return would at least get behind him so hopefully it won't be the same level of vitriol at every loss, or even decision, that the fans didn't agree with. My only concern would be that both Manager and Levy would have had to have moved on from his last stint and this would need to be a clean slate. If he did return you'd have to hope that both Levy and Pochettino had learned a few lessons from the last time he was here and can find a way to make sure that things don't reach a stalemate situation and are better next time around.

I've pretty much come around to this viewpoint now too, obviously only on the basis that Conte wants to leave. My only concern is the transfer side of the business. I'm guessing that FP should know where he stands by the summer, hopefully having been cleared to continue in his original capacity - because we desperately need to continue with the current quality of signings we've brought in under his reign. The only dud so far has been Gollini on loan, which really is a pretty good record. And with player like Romero, Bentancur and Deki we have some really good players at well below their current market rates.

 

[robotsonic]

If Jose and Conte can't get that out of Daniel, I doubt anyone can tbh.

This is where I'm at with the whole thing. Can chuck about manager names that would be "perfect" for us but it almost doesn't matter the pedigree when it's as much about managing the basket-case club as it is managing the team.

Poch has a better shot that any at being able to manage Daniel Levy purely by virtue of understanding him already and having the history. Not to mention that they're mates. If they could come together and truly work with the benefit of hindsight then there is no better fit IMO. Anyone else in the world would be a total punt, as we've sadly seen.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

But don't you think employing someone because they may have 'unfinished business' is such a kop out?

I'd really like the next appointment to be well thought out and have a real plan behind it.

Can completely see where you're coming from mate and yea to an extent it would be seen as a bit of a kop out, at the same time it could work out as a really good move re-hiring someone who did a phenomenal job previously, knows the club and working conditions really well, who the fans adore, who'd bring a positive vibe back to the club and who is motivated to try and win something with a better budget than during their previous stint.

At the same time if we could/do hire someone else with a well thought out plan behind it perhaps say for example is Paratici stays then maybe De Zerbi because he's doing well in the PL, is Italian and plays a brand of football which would suit our squad and which the fans would like.

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm slowly coming around to the possibility of Poch returning, if indeed Conte leaves. I keep saying it but as long as Levy is pulling the strings I think any manager coming in is somewhat hamstrung, but at least with Poch he is aware of what he's letting himself in for. Whether you are for or against Mauricio returning, one thing the fan base are all pretty much on the same page about is that we all know MP is a good coach, and he brings with him a decent back room team. Moreso even those that weren't keen on his return would at least get behind him so hopefully it won't be the same level of vitriol at every loss, or even decision, that the fans didn't agree with. My only concern would be that both Manager and Levy would have had to have moved on from his last stint and this would need to be a clean slate. If he did return you'd have to hope that both Levy and Pochettino had learned a few lessons from the last time he was here and can find a way to make sure that things don't reach a stalemate situation and are better next time around.

I'm generally in the "don't go back" camp but as you say, I'd be fully behind Poch the second he came back and massively want him to succeed as he's a legend.

I'd say one major cause for optimism is the fact that, while there's still bound to be some Levy meddling behind the scenes, we've been willing to open the purse strings and support managers in the market a LOT more in the past 3 years since the completion of the stadium than we did in the Poch era.

Our entire net spend during Poch's reign was practically zero (well, certainly before his final Ndombele/Lo Celso splurge but that came too late to make a difference). In contrast, we've got one of the biggest net spends in European football in the past few years and have been much more willing to invest in the squad, even if we've never quite matched Conte's or Jose's specific demands.

I also think, defence aside, the squad is in a much better state now than it was when he left. I don't think I appreciated at the time just how weak we'd allowed that squad to become as Eriksen, Dembele, Alli and Rose all faded/left, while Jan and Toby got old.

 

[dagraham]

If Poch was to come back the first thing we’d need to do is go all in on James Maddison.

 

[mil1lion]

To be fair we've had 4 but we don't talk much about 1 of them

Says a lot 2 were from the academy, time to step up Mr Tanganga

 

[Albertbarich]

If Poch was to come back the first thing we’d need to do is go all in on James Maddison.

Why do that when you have N'dombele and Lo Celso desperate to come back for a fresh start....?