Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Clockspur]

Then again he doesn't fall at 1st hurdles everytime like Conte. Conte is probably worst manager in the history of European competitions taking account clubs he has managed and results he has gotten.

Again Pep - never won a CL without Messi despite having Bayern and financially doped Man City

Conte took Inter to a Europa League final

 

[EastLondonYid]

Spence - he was getting pelters from the French press after they got knocked out of Europe by Shakhtar

I wonder if the problem is that Spence is inconsistent

Probably, but young players usually are,
The most important thing is he definitely has talent, a top coach job is to help young players blossom and to help make them be consistent .
He didn't get a chance to show us if he is or isn't consistent, which is strange seeing what he thinks of the squad.
Tonight he played well against the world's greatest ever player and the current best player on the planet.
Consistency will come with games.

 

[only1waddle]

Spence puts Mbappe in his pocket tonight but hey Conte knew better to play Emerson/Doherty all season and not give spence even more than 10 mins off the bench sometimes these ‘elite’ managers even get it wrong sometimes / are so stubborn to their view and philosophy that biases their judgment.

Spence wasn't marking M'bappe and he was unlucky not to score a couple first half getting in behind Rennes backline.

 

[PaulThurston]

I think the manager has lost the dressing room, the dressing room wants to kill the manager, the manager has never met the chairman, the chairman has lost the fans, players and manager and the fans have lost pretty much all of it

And also Chirpy is a ****

You leave Chirpy out of this. That's our next manager you're talking about!

 

[slartibartfast]

Managers thinking they are smarter than they are - like Woy letting Kane take corners, ridiculous.

Yeah. Over analysing things until they cant see the wood for the trees. Quite funny when you consider how many people they have around them that nobody says 'err Boss, dont be so fucking ridiculous. Sit down and have a cup of tea. You've got brain farts bad.'

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Pep failing to win the CL with either Bayern or City in my opinion rules him out of the elite status. Winning with Barca when you have prime Messi just doesn’t cut it.

The Elites are Klopp/Tuchel/Ancellotti/Zidane - Spalletti possibly enters the picture if Napoli lift it this year also.

Pep not winning CL with City is a small
blot but Pep is the modern day Cruyff mate, yes he has managed very good players and has had some very healthy transfer budgets but the way he gets his teams to play an almost cheat mode style of football whilst motivating them to keep winning is incredibly incredibly impressive.

Conte is also an incredible manager but he’s not quite on Klopp or Peps level, his awful record in CL is a reflection of that.

Anchelotti is absolutely phenomenal, Zidane also quite impressive but that Real Madrid team was outrageous so not sure quite how much managing they needed to win successive CL’s tbh. Tuchel is very impressive too and also probably the most tactically versatile of all of them.

If by Elite you’re referring to managers managing and consistently winning with ‘Elite’ top teir teams then your list of the more recent ones is pretty accurate. Before that Ferguson and Jose probably need to be added to the list.

But how Jose and Conte have performed with us does make me want to have a wider conversation about how we judge how good managers really are because everyone focuses on the big names and big clubs and CL teams etc but say take Eddie Howe and what he did taking Bournemouth up through the lower divisions to the PL, that’s pretty elite management imo.

 

[Clockspur]

Ancelotti didn't work miracles in Everton or Napoli, Zidane hasn't been tested on different environments. Kloppo on other hand has been success anywhere without being manager of the money clubs.

Ancelotti got that Everton squad to finish 8th - they then stayed up by the skin of their teeth the following season and are bang in trouble again this year. He did a very reasonable job their in his one season.

won its all with AC Milan as well.

Zidane - fair enough

 

[Mr Pink]

If the players know he's off, where's the motivation to finish as best we can coming from?..

 

[DenverSpur]

Spot on, who’s he actually talking about here?

This isn’t like 2014 when we had the likes of Kaboul, Capoue, Adebayor etc.

We may have some players who aren’t good enough but I really don’t see many ‘bad apples’.

Is he talking about Son, Kane, Dier, Davies? Those are the guys who start regularly and have been around for the longest. Anyone saying Kane isn’t trying has lost it, he’s a model pro. Son clearly cares about the club. Davies and Dier are limited but you can’t say they don’t try.

The players may just be drained by the defensive and negative football we’ve been playing since mid 2019.

I’m sorry but I think you’re a bit delusional. There’s plenty of games where Kane is merely going through the motions for most of the game. Same with Son.
It’s not a case of being bad apples it’s more they lack the mental toughness to overcome adversity and consistently perform at the highest level. They’re too soft. As he said they don’t like playing under pressure, under stress , they buckle. They’ve been accustomed to never having to accept responsibility.
Go back to the CL Final, for example. Biggest game of their, and the Club’s life, and nobody turned up!! Been pretty much the same story in other Finals, Semi Finals and crunch must win league games.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Spence wasn't marking M'bappe and he was unlucky not to score a couple first half getting in behind Rennes backline.

Yea but that goes against the current conteout narrative so let’s all be good boys and girls and agree that Spence put Mbappe in his pocket all night, was MOTM, is the English CAFU and Conte was wrong to not play him more, ok?

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

If the players know he's off, where's the motivation to finish as best we can coming from?..

Presumably that’s where a lot of Conte’s frustrations and declarations of selfish players has come from. Of course he’s not helped the situation, but I don’t really care, put some effort in and fight for the fans.

 

[Clockspur]

Spence puts Mbappe in his pocket tonight but hey Conte knew better to play Emerson/Doherty all season and not give spence even more than 10 mins off the bench sometimes these ‘elite’ managers even get it wrong sometimes / are so stubborn to their view and philosophy that biases their judgment.

Winks bossed Real Madrid once, he is still fucking pony.

Like i said, 3 weeks ago the French press were giving him 0/10 for his performance against Shakhtar and absolutely mauling him

 

[bubble07]

Hardly surprising if the latest reports are true.

Levy will see top 4 as achievable and if players are going to him explaining how pissed off they are, then it may force his hand. If he believes that Conte has lost the dressing room with his recent comments, then getting rid may well be what he does. CL is key for Levy so he will do whatever it takes to achieve it.

Regardless of what happens, it's all pointless as NOTHING ever changes!

Everything it takes except spending money on key targets

 

[Trent Crimm]

Don’t blame the players? Do me a favour. It’s not the only thing but Of course it’s a factor.

There are multiple problems. A cocktail of them.

The philosophy, bad signings, no signings, the wrong signings, Conte’s tactics, individual errors, the culture of the club and all the rest of it. Not one thing, all of them. And whilst it’s difficult to argue against the claim that it’s Conte’s job to instill what’s missing with regard the players, I’m not sure it’s as simple as that. There’s a soft mentality, a lack of steel, call it what you like, that’s been evident for quite a while and under a number of coaches, none of whom managed to do it.

The lack of a real desire to win is a stench that has flowed through the club from top to bottom for far too long and when new players arrive, they take their lead from what’s already here and so it carries on. Conte said right at the start about changing the culture of the club and he was spot on, wether we like it or not but that takes backing and time

There are a lot of issues coming home to roost here and while Conte has absolutely played his part in that he’s not the only problem by a long way and until those are properly addressed they’ll continue to plague us.

So so sad

 

[ravo]

Someone should send our elite coach highlights of PSG's 2-0 defeat at home tonight.
Djed Spence v Mbappe and Messi.


If the current players are so shit, maybe Spence and Danjuma could have had a few minutes.

Elite coach

Spence's rating:

Djed Spence, 6 – The Tottenham Hotspur loanee was unstoppable down the right – an all-action performance that saw him win the majority of his defensive duels, as well as offering a constant outlet for his team’s counter-attacks. A technically proficient performance that saw him come close to getting on the scoresheet, replaced in the last ten minutes by club captain Hamari Traoré.

Only a 6!?! Doesn't really match the commentary. That said, all the marks were quite low.

 

[Clockspur]

Give it a rest, that clever word play isn’t catching on.

No, actually I think I will use it more, it amuses me.

Good bye

 

[Clockspur]

One game a week. Signed the best player in the league in Kante.

Sorry I forgot it doesn’t count when you sign the best player in the league and don’t have European distraction.

Did they have European distraction when he won the FA cup? Or Inters first scuds to in a decade - Checks records - Computer says yes

 

[spursfan77]

Hmm, feel like this is the type of reporting we get just before a sacking to lay the groundwork.

Don't think there were any journos talking of unrest in the camp before now.

This and the Hytner piece are usually the first type of stories that come out for sure. I thought he’d still be here for Everton but I’m not sure now. Could happen this week.

 

[bubble07]

If the players know he's off, where's the motivation to finish as best we can coming from?..

Don't those turds understand they will be playing in europa league or conference league? Surely that is motivation along with the fucking fans that support them

 

[Trent Crimm]

Winks bossed Real Madrid once, he is still fucking pony.

Like i said, 3 weeks ago the French press were giving him 0/10 for his performance against Shakhtar and absolutely mauling him

When Winks bossed RM was Ramos playing or was he suspended. Asking for a friend