Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[dtxspurs]

I just feel both Mourinho and Conte really liked us, everything about the club, felt so proud to have managed us in the best times, and would have wished so much to win something with us. It's really a big pity neither could do it here.

Really? I feel like Conte thought he was doing us a favor the entire time.

 

[Joshua]

Not a peep out of any of the playing squad yet btw. None of them even giving his goodbye post a like.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

I'm not sure the Conte of last season really turned up this season.
I remember watching Conte cam and he was full of passion, aggression, barking orders.
I do feel personal grief and illness played a part. I feel like his level dropped during matches and I'm sure that probably happened during training too.
It's clear our players find it difficult to keep the intensity, we don't have a nasty leader amongst our ranks. Too many nice guys.

 

[Cuore da Leone]

Not a peep out of any of the playing squad yet btw. None of them even giving his goodbye post a like.

They have let him down and will continue doing so. Us fans know that Conte has spoken the truth.
To be fair he was just very emotional after the Southampton game.
Our players are thin-skinned and I am not surprised they don‘t even dare to wish him well.
It is what it is - let‘s hope something good comes out of Conte‘s departure though so that this club finally takes a step forward.

 

[spurmin]

Not a peep out of any of the playing squad yet btw. None of them even giving his goodbye post a like.

Too busy tucking into ketchup sandwiches (white bread)

 

[JCRD]

Didnt even get started - commitment is starting it. I dont hate him and I dont not like him, im neutral on him. Should never have been our Manager and just think the last three or so years has been a waste, that isnt on him - that is on Levy.

I didnt want him but like anything, I gave him a chance and not once did I think, this guy wants to be here... he really didnt.

I found the singing of his name in stadiums to be weird, given the guy didnt want to be here, and I still find it difficult to understand how we have got to this stage where someone who didnt want to be here, we didnt part ways. I thank him for getting us fourth last season even if the CL campaign was a bit meh overall.

and before anyone starts bringing in players as a reason for us not being very good, this is a Conte thread so im not talking about the players/Levy, im talking about his responsibilities which by the way he seemed to forget and absolve himself of when bleating his diatribe eight days ago

 

[mattspur1986]

Nah, it's a crazy decision brought on by the fact that our board have no idea what they want as a collective. I keep hearing "perhaps we are waiting until the summer because who we want is currently employed". Nope we just don't know what we are doing. We've been speaking to Naglesmann but not everyone is convinced. Poch has his backers, Galardo the same but they can't decide between them. That is fundamentally because there is no mission statement as to what we are and who as a club we want to be.

I'm sure the Levy apologists will be along shortly to tell me how I've got it wrong, but I haven't. It genuinely is the blind leading the blind.

mit is genuinely baffling that any premier league club is run as bad as ours, let alone one supposedly challenging for honours etc.

levy REALLY, REALLY needs to stand down! But he won’t, and I feel we’re going to have a nuno mk2 manager search on our hands!

 

[Mark_147]

He’s was only here 18 months! He’s not going to get 2 new players for each position. He had 3 windows (and 2 of those were winter).

But to answer your question, you forgot Lenglet off your list (but let me guess Conte didn’t want him either?)

No i didn't forget lenglet as I was referring to permanent signings not stop gap loan signings. When Romero was bought we were told that the following summer the club was going to prioritise the central defence the following summer and we bought stop gap lenglet. Mourinho wanted skriniar we gave him Roden from the championship. Conte wanted bastoni we gave him an out of form stop gap lenglet. Let's see if the next manager has to work with the Dier, lenglet Davies at the heart of his defence he does any better defensively than mourinho and Conte.

 

[rossdapep]

xG is not everything! We need context and to consider other factors but I do think this is no coincidence...

Horrendous under Nuno.

Conte came in and completely changed both metrics - xG & xG Conceded vastly improved upon (had a little wobble around Jan/Feb).

New season starts and we are more or less the same as the end of the previous season when everything was firing.

Then at some point (I am guessing October) both metrics start going in the wrong direction and have now overlapped so we are conceding more xG Conceded than creating xG.

I really am not sure where it started to go wrong. Whether Gian Piero's death meant fitness planning was screwed, although I do think by this point players would have adapted, or whether Conte just lost his head and lost the players.

I would love to see our running per game stats because I recall under Nuno they were the worst, Conte considerably got us into the top teams for this. I imagine that it has recently dropped again.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Wonder where he'll be next season. Juventus? Inter?

Napoli. Put money on it.

 

[degoose]

They have let him down and will continue doing so. Us fans know that Conte has spoken the truth.
To be fair he was just very emotional after the Southampton game.
Our players are thin-skinned and I am not surprised they don‘t even dare to wish him well.
It is what it is - let‘s hope something good comes out of Conte‘s departure though so that this club finally takes a step forward.

maybe many of them just think he is a bit of a dick

 

[Yid-ol]

They have let him down and will continue doing so. Us fans know that Conte has spoken the truth.
To be fair he was just very emotional after the Southampton game.
Our players are thin-skinned and I am not surprised they don‘t even dare to wish him well.
It is what it is - let‘s hope something good comes out of Conte‘s departure though so that this club finally takes a step forward.

The players have been poor, and let everyone down at times, but I feel Conte let the players down also, refusing to sub certain players on or off. Players then lose faith in him and give up.

 

[TPdYID]

maybe many of them just think he is a bit of a dick

Always best to keep your powder dry in most walks of life, in particular Football with the added scrutiny.

Remember Spence and his Warnock tweet after the play-off final?

Spence stock had never been so high…then a silly tweet which raises eye brows and brings into question his personality & professionalism. 12 months later, he’s completely out of the picture and potentially looking for another loan.

Cruel world at times and elephants seldom forget.

 

[rossdapep]

I have to admit I was probably wrong and others were right in regards to Conte's ability to evolve.

I always felt that if you get the right players in the right positions who are capable of Conte's very specific system, then you get a highly efficient team.

Thats why those who say he is a fraud are way off.

However, Tottenham always had too much to do.

Which meant that as Conte was putting the team together other elements of his system are losing effect.

As his defensive system is starting to take shape, the oppositon have already figured out how to stop his attacking patterns.

I think the attack became blunter first. Then the defensive lapses started to put more pressure on the team until it eventually became a mess.

An evolving coach would have made some attacking adjustments to ensure we could put pressure back on the oppositon and off our defence.

Conte didn't. He just continued with the same system but demanded more. In the meantime he was probably expecting reinforcements to make a huge difference which the club was never going to do.

That's why I think last season we were ok defensively. The attack eased the pressure but once we were figured out, the pressure came back and Conte did not adapt.

 

[olliec]

he got us top 4 last season and ended leaving when we are 4th. This has no way been a failure of an appointment and I wish Antonio well for the future.

 

[jpascavitz]

xG is not everything! We need context and to consider other factors but I do think this is no coincidence...

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Horrendous under Nuno.

Conte came in and completely changed both metrics - xG & xG Conceded vastly improved upon (had a little wobble around Jan/Feb).

New season starts and we are more or less the same as the end of the previous season when everything was firing.

Then at some point (I am guessing October) both metrics start going in the wrong direction and have now overlapped so we are conceding more xG Conceded than creating xG.

I really am not sure where it started to go wrong. Whether Gian Piero's death meant fitness planning was screwed, although I do think by this point players would have adapted, or whether Conte just lost his head and lost the players.

I would love to see our running per game stats because I recall under Nuno they were the worst, Conte considerably got us into the top teams for this. I imagine that it has recently dropped again.

This is a really useful post, thanks for sharing. I actually remember the way we started the season (we were undefeated for a while) and our attack was creating some really good chances but it seemed like our final pass was always just a tad off. I remember thinking to myself, wow if we can just get cleaned up a bit we're going to start and put 3-4 past every side.

But there was the little tail off before the world cup, some injuries, the world cup break, and it just never got off the ground again! Mix that in with the personal news of Conte, and the health issues, it really starts to add up.

Obviously before the WC feels like so long ago, but I wonder why things started to turn around October

August:
3 wins, 2 draws - 10 goals for, 4 goals against

September:
3 wins, 1 loss (UCL) - 10 goals for, 5 goals against

October:
4 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses - 12 goals for, 12 goals against

November:
2 wins, 2 losses - 7 goals for, 8 goals against

Total: 22 matches - 1.77 goals for per match, 1.31 goals against per match

 

[Rout-Ledge]

he got us top 4 last season and ended leaving when we are 4th. This has no way been a failure of an appointment and I wish Antonio well for the future.

Last season was a big success this season was a big disappointment

 

[olliec]

Last season was a big success this season was a big disappointment

But we are still in 4th which is probably all levy asked for. He cares more about top 4 than a trophy, but we already know that

 

[Guntz]

Napoli. Put money on it.

Where’s Spalletti going?

 

[Trent Crimm]

Where’s Spalletti going?

Liverpool.

if you have other questions I’m going to have to charge.