Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[mil1lion]

I hope this isn't going to be the case with the way things are going with Putin!

I hope Chelsea get hit hard though

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

The only way I see it being greener is if we get an owner willing to dip into his own pocket to more or less guarantee success a la Chelsea, City.

I'd sooner the organic growth as we have had, and continue to do so to try and be competitive.

I already feel a little disconnected with the club and football in general, if we were bought by a Sheikh I think I'd be done with football altogether

That's how I feel, except I would watch lower league football instead.

 

[spurs mental]

Whilst organic growth is great. It feels like we have hit a glass ceiling. Not sure what else can be done now.

We use the finances gained from having our massive stadium actually open for a full season for starters.

 

[mil1lion]

The only way I see it being greener is if we get an owner willing to dip into his own pocket to more or less guarantee success a la Chelsea, City.

I'd sooner the organic growth as we have had, and continue to do so to try and be competitive.

I already feel a little disconnected with the club and football in general, if we were bought by a Sheikh I think I'd be done with football altogether

Why does it have to be a Sheikh? We basically need another ENIC that is more motivated by success than property investment. There must be plenty of examples of wealthy tycoons who invest in sports teams who wants to win titles. The organic approach is simply not possible in this day and age. I don't want us to be another City or Newcastle either, I just don't want to see us being outspent by the likes of Leicester or Villa. I just don't see Conte being the right manager for the organic approach anyway, his demands are far too high. Our team under Poch was special but they still won nothing in 5 seasons. Conte would not accept being a nearly team and the league is much tougher now than it was then. The only way to satisfy Conte is spending big in the summer and bringing in proven winners.

 

[bigfrooj]

I don’t think there are many better coaches than Conte anywhere. He now is under no illusions about the scale of the issues he has at Spurs. I now expect him to shut up, roll his sleeves up, put the dramatics behind him and get the best possible results for the rest of the season with the squad he has. If he doesn’t then he’ll blot his copybook, his whole reputation will suffer and that will really prick his ego. If he actually turns us around and generates some success then the whole football world will sit up. If anyone can, Antonio can.

 

[SA_Spurs]

If you want to know why ENIC built world class facilities, its rather simple. ENIC are an investment company and everything done is to either increase the intrinsic value of the asset or to sweat said asset for additional income.

The idea purported by so many of our fans that ENIC are pushing for us to win the league/major honours is just fanciful fan talk. They are all about maximising their investment by real estate transactions...it just so happens that the vehicle to do so in this case is a football club.

lets play along with this argument - ENIC build all these amazing things - how then does it increase in value? Time? I doubt any investment company wants to tie up all its investments for the long term. All things being equal, these are not passive assets - i.e. build now, wait for 30 years & make a whack load of money. Wht would make the investment grow is if the equity behind the assets is built upon - the brand grows by becoming a vehicle that attracts more investment (sponsorships, partnerships, deals, endorsements) as well as vehicle that develops its own brand efficacy to become valuable, desirable and worth of someone forking out mega bucks to own it.

Its too easy to state they are buying / developing real estate and oh, just so happens there's a football club included. This is like saying, let me make sure I develop my sports car collection but painting them properly but there's nothing under neath the hood. As much as all of us hate ENIC i doubt they are that stupid. It would easy enough for ENIC to dump a few billion in the bank and watch it grow without the hassle of fans, fans trust, getting rubbished in the media every day etc ...(same holds true for DL)

 

[spurs mental]

Why does it have to be a Sheikh? We basically need another ENIC that is more motivated by success than property investment. There must be plenty of examples of wealthy tycoons who invest in sports teams who wants to win titles. The organic approach is simply not possible in this day and age. I don't want us to be another City or Newcastle either, I just don't want to see us being outspent by the likes of Leicester or Villa. I just don't see Conte being the right manager for the organic approach anyway, his demands are far too high. Our team under Poch was special but they still won nothing in 5 seasons. Conte would not accept being a nearly team and the league is much tougher now than it was then. The only way to satisfy Conte is spending big in the summer and bringing in proven winners.

It doesn't have to be a Sheikh. I was just using that as an example.

I don't know if another ENIC exists, and by any stretch I don't believe they or Levy have had the clubs best interests on the footballing side over the last 3 or 4 years at least.

But the timing of the pandemic is so unlucky yet so Spurs. We dont know what effect it will actually have on our finances until we've had this season in full, plus what another 2/3/4 seasons does for us.

I'm a big believer in the club having to speculate to accumulate this summer. We're rid of a lot of the deadwood now, and there's room for a few more to hopefully move on. Take a hit on the finances this summer to gain at least in the short term. What we gain in the short term from league position/Europe should cover for the long term too.

 

[shelfboy68]

Why does it have to be a Sheikh? We basically need another ENIC that is more motivated by success than property investment. There must be plenty of examples of wealthy tycoons who invest in sports teams who wants to win titles. The organic approach is simply not possible in this day and age. I don't want us to be another City or Newcastle either, I just don't want to see us being outspent by the likes of Leicester or Villa. I just don't see Conte being the right manager for the organic approach anyway, his demands are far too high. Our team under Poch was special but they still won nothing in 5 seasons. Conte would not accept being a nearly team and the league is much tougher now than it was then. The only way to satisfy Conte is spending big in the summer and bringing in proven winners.

Spend big and bring in proven winners is not us so that could spell disaster.
I'm now wondering if the type of manager Conte is serial winner etc is actually above our level of where we are.
Give a club like Newcastle another year or two and they will be ready for a Conte to start delivering the league and CL, we are years behind due to our business model being a lot different an inferior to theirs.

 

[mil1lion]

It doesn't have to be a Sheikh. I was just using that as an example.

I don't know if another ENIC exists, and by any stretch I don't believe they or Levy have had the clubs best interests on the footballing side over the last 3 or 4 years at least.

But the timing of the pandemic is so unlucky yet so Spurs. We dont know what effect it will actually have on our finances until we've had this season in full, plus what another 2/3/4 seasons does for us.

I don't think the pandemic will impact things too much anymore. Now is the best time to buy the club with an elite manager here and a few top players to build around. The stadium is prime and ready for a number of events similar to how some sports complex's in America are used. The lock downs are highly unlikely to return now so new owners are going to be generating money from the off. We've seen some massive investments in the gaming industry for example, Microsoft buying out Activision and Sony buying Bungie in deals worth billions. Conte isn't waiting 2/3/4 seasons for the new stadium to generate money that ENIC are happy to spend but I have no doubt companies are ready to spend big. LAMF were ready to buy us and although I know nothing about whether they'll be any good it just shows there are options.

 

[mil1lion]

Spend big and bring in proven winners is not us so that could spell disaster.
I'm now wondering if the type of manager Conte is serial winner etc is actually above our level of where we are.
Give a club like Newcastle another year or two and they will be ready for a Conte to start delivering the league and CL, we are years behind due to our business model being a lot different an inferior to theirs.

That's what I'm saying though, we need new owners who match the ambitions of Conte. The model you speak of is the problem under ENIC. We're in a better position than Newcastle to be a success quicker if willing to spend. We have a few world class players (Lloris, Son, Kane) that Newcastle don't even have. We already have the elite manager and although early days a sporting director who was involved with Juve dominating Serie A. If we don't kick on now under Conte then I can see Newcastle overtaking us in a couple of years. The trouble is they're the least of our concern because there are several other teams ahead of us now too.

 

[shelfboy68]

That's what I'm saying though, we need new owners who match the ambitions of Conte. The model you speak of is the problem under ENIC. We're in a better position than Newcastle to be a success quicker if willing to spend. We have a few world class players (Lloris, Son, Kane) that Newcastle don't even have. We already have the elite manager and although early days a sporting director who was involved with Juve dominating Serie A. If we don't kick on now under Conte then I can see Newcastle overtaking us in a couple of years. The trouble is they're the least of our concern because there are several other teams ahead of us now too.

Yes mate that is what I'm alluding to that clubs like Newcastle will be past us soon, and as for other clubs utd, arsenal, west ham are better than us with wolves, Brighton and us in the trailing pack.
It's poor stuff all round from the club top to bottom of poor performance and gutless mentality.

 

[spurs mental]

I don't think the pandemic will impact things too much anymore. Now is the best time to buy the club with an elite manager here and a few top players to build around. The stadium is prime and ready for a number of events similar to how some sports complex's in America are used. The lock downs are highly unlikely to return now so new owners are going to be generating money from the off. We've seen some massive investments in the gaming industry for example, Microsoft buying out Activision and Sony buying Bungie in deals worth billions. Conte isn't waiting 2/3/4 seasons for the new stadium to generate money that ENIC are happy to spend but I have no doubt companies are ready to spend big. LAMF were ready to buy us and although I know nothing about whether they'll be any good it just shows there are options.

No, the pandemic shouldn't impact any longer but that's not what I'm saying.

This season with the stadium at full or near full capacity for the whole season should help financially in the summer.

And if do buy a few proven players in the Summer that should help in both short and long term. It could help to keep Conte here for the length plus the extension. And then who knows what happens.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love us to be bought by someone who wants all the glory, but I'd also love us to achieve something under ENIC because, for all the good they've done for the club and securing the long term future of the club, they deserve to see something come to fruition. Something more than a league cup.

 

[spursfan77]

He needs to address this. Teams are obviously targeting it as a weakness. Wolves, Southampton did the same.

 

[mil1lion]

No, the pandemic shouldn't impact any longer but that's not what I'm saying.

This season with the stadium at full or near full capacity for the whole season should help financially in the summer.

And if do buy a few proven players in the Summer that should help in both short and long term. It could help to keep Conte here for the length plus the extension. And then who knows what happens.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love us to be bought by someone who wants all the glory, but I'd also love us to achieve something under ENIC because, for all the good they've done for the club and securing the long term future of the club, they deserve to see something come to fruition. Something more than a league cup.

Fair enough and to be fair I would be just as happy to see ENIC spend big in the summer knowing they have the stadium income. I would only say they deserve something to show for it if they invest in the squad though. Until now it has felt more like investment in infrastructure more than building success on the pitch. If they spend what Conte needs in the summer then great. It's just hard to see them do it when they haven't given that impression in 20 years.

 

[danielneeds]

He needs to address this. Teams are obviously targeting it as a weakness. Wolves, Southampton did the same.

Unfortunately Lloris is very keen to stay on his line these days. He could solve a lot kf these set piece issues by dominating the box more.

 

[shelfboy68]

He needs to address this. Teams are obviously targeting it as a weakness. Wolves, Southampton did the same.

Well he has a backroom team of experienced, expensive coaches who look at stuff like this maybe it's about time they justified their salary.

 

[Fidget]

Fair enough, if that is how you see it.

You said "Said elite manager is realising that he's been sold a dead duck, that he's been duped into joining a mid-table team with no means of hitting his level"

I just wanted to know where you are getting the idea for this conspiracy because it seems like a pretty weird thing to say. If you are just saying a bunch of random shit cos you aren't happy with how things are going then I guess I can understand that on some level.

How is this a conspiracy theory?

 

[EQP]

Outside of improving coaching between now and the summer window, Conte and Paratici should look into getting a dedicated Sports Psychologist on the payroll ASAP. Even a marginal improvement in some players mentality, would make a significant difference to our results.

 

[Fidget]

It might not be Contes choice of wing back as the one he really wants isn't available in Jan. We don't have infinite funds. Not too difficult to understand

But we’ll have enough funds in the summer?

 

[Fidget]

You can say this til you're blue in the face but some are so determined to see everything in the most negative way possible that they simply ignore it, and carry on with their tedious mantra. I guess we'll find out soon when Conte either quits and runs away, or stays for the summer window when the players he allegedly wants become available.

And we’ll still ‘buy these players’ when he’s gone? Or what will we do?