Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[WorthATry]

theathletic.com/3148070/2022/02/25/antonio-contes-outburst-will-he-leave-spurs-this-season-what-do-the-players-think-and-what-will-levy-do-next/?source=user-shared-article

Don't have access to the whole article, but this is the pertinent bit:

"Well-placed sources close to the club were pretty much unanimous on Thursday that they can’t see Conte still being in charge at Tottenham next season. He is not expected to leave soon midseason due to reputational damage and reduced pay off."

 

[jurgen11]

I don't agree with this take.

What Conte did after the game on Wednesday was unprecedented and unprofessional, he brought this shit on us.

spot on - he is literally giving the press ammunition to shoot at us. We need him to start leading, not telling everyone how shit we are compared to Chelsea etc every 5 mins. Its destablising the club and wont be helping us attract the players we need for our so called re build. Do your job , for which you are paid £15 mill, and get a half decent tune out of this broken old fiddle for the rest of the season, and next year you can have new toys to play with.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Can only imagine Bentancurs injury is gonna make him more pissed.

Down to 2 cms now ??‍

 

[shelfboy68]

I’m sure people have highlighted this but The Athletic are saying that he’s unlikely to be our manager next season.

Playing devil’s advocate slightly here but if that’s the case, what’s the point in keeping him if he has no intention of staying or building something here? Conte leaving would likely see Paratici follow suit, which would in turn totally shift our transfer targets and playing style. Wasting the rest of the season playing a system that’ll be scrapped next season seems pointless.

The obvious answer will be “nobody will join us at this point in the season” I know but it just seems pointless to keep him on if he’s not interested, especially as we’re paying him £15m a season.

Either way, it’s not a good look for us whatsoever and the summer is going to be brutal.

I agree I think there is too much noise around him now to expect him to be here next season.
I think we have to accept he is going and see out another shit show of a season, although I don't know what impact should it happen have on Kane's future surely he won't stay at a club with an uncertain future and no chance of success.

 

[dudu]

theathletic.com/3148070/2022/02/25/antonio-contes-outburst-will-he-leave-spurs-this-season-what-do-the-players-think-and-what-will-levy-do-next/?source=user-shared-article

Don't have access to the whole article, but this is the pertinent bit:

"Well-placed sources close to the club were pretty much unanimous on Thursday that they can’t see Conte still being in charge at Tottenham next season. He is not expected to leave soon midseason due to reputational damage and reduced pay off."

So no one at the club has said anything, just well-placed sources close to the club.

Pinch of salt for me with that one.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

I can’t help feel we need a Poch mark 2 , like they’ve done up the road , someone with a clear identity and long term vision with a philosophy. We can’t give huge funds to a manager that could walk with 24 hours notice . Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing more I’d love than levy give Conte the 4/5 players he needs in the summer and we hit the ground running next season and we have Conte here for the next 5 years but history tells me it’s not going to happen . I wouldn’t be upset if we went down the Ten Hag / Potter route with a manager that would love to be at a club like Tottenham as opposed to one that feels he is too big for us .

So you would have the same patience that they have shown Arteta ? ... although many of their fans have been crying for him to be sacked many times.

 

[dudu]

So you would have the same patience that they have shown Arteta ? ... although many of their fans have been crying for him to be sacked many times.

Our own fans boo'd poch more than once in his first season at WHL.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Our own fans boo'd poch more than once in his first season at WHL.

Fine... with that logic Conte should be given time.

 

[14/04/91]

I can’t help feel we need a Poch mark 2 , like they’ve done up the road , someone with a clear identity and long term vision with a philosophy. We can’t give huge funds to a manager that could walk with 24 hours notice . Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing more I’d love than levy give Conte the 4/5 players he needs in the summer and we hit the ground running next season and we have Conte here for the next 5 years but history tells me it’s not going to happen . I wouldn’t be upset if we went down the Ten Hag / Potter route with a manager that would love to be at a club like Tottenham as opposed to one that feels he is too big for us .

We needed that immediately after Poch. But the man who knows best decided to do a 180 turn and appoint the polar opposite in Mourinho.
It's been a mess ever since.

 

[NickHSpurs]

The thing is, Conte is right as was Poch.

The “painful rebuild” has never been more apparent, half of that CL final squad are still here nicking a living and underperforming.

Mourinho and Conte are a couple of the most successful managers around, Poch was our most loved in recent times and none of them could get a tune out of this lot since the CL final.

We’ve been reliant on 2/3 decent players getting us by when they’re surrounded by bang average ones for far too long.

I don’t care if it’s unprofessional and should be done behind closed doors, that clearly hasn’t worked for the last three managers. It’s about time this was aired in public, Levy and Lewis have got off lightly for too long.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

The thing is, Conte is right as was Poch.

The “painful rebuild” has never been more apparent, half of that CL final squad are still here nicking a living and underperforming.

Mourinho and Conte are a couple of the most successful managers around, Poch was our most loved in recent times and none of them could get a tune out of this lot since the CL final.

We’ve been reliant on 2/3 decent players getting us by when they’re surrounded by bang average ones for far too long.

I don’t care if it’s unprofessional and should be done behind closed doors, that clearly hasn’t worked for the last three managers. It’s about time this was aired in public, Levy and Lewis have got off lightly for too long.

Somebody on Football Weekly pointed out that his idea that its the same old players doesn't actually work if you go through the team on Wednesday/last Saturday. Take out the ones that arrived post Poch and the ones Conte has specifically praised and it boils down to Ben Davies. Can it all be his fault?

 

[mil1lion]

I’m sure people have highlighted this but The Athletic are saying that he’s unlikely to be our manager next season.

Playing devil’s advocate slightly here but if that’s the case, what’s the point in keeping him if he has no intention of staying or building something here? Conte leaving would likely see Paratici follow suit, which would in turn totally shift our transfer targets and playing style. Wasting the rest of the season playing a system that’ll be scrapped next season seems pointless.

The obvious answer will be “nobody will join us at this point in the season” I know but it just seems pointless to keep him on if he’s not interested, especially as we’re paying him £15m a season.

Either way, it’s not a good look for us whatsoever and the summer is going to be brutal.

I'd be surprised if he leaves before the end of the summer window. It would make no sense to join during the season and not even give us chance to make changes in the summer. It's up to us to convince him by moving fast in the window. Get a couple in early and that will help.

 

[Amo]

So no one at the club has said anything, just well-placed sources close to the club.

Pinch of salt for me with that one.

I don't think those two descriptions are mutually exclusive, though. Sources often ask for those descriptions to be broader than necessary.

For me the worrying thing isn't a source claiming this ('close' to the club or 'inx the club), it's multiple sources saying it.

From the rest of the article it's clear the sources for the piece included ones closer to Levy because it reports he was pissed off with Conte's rant and that he's planning "constructive" talks with the manager.

It also reports on Paratici thinking the issue is one of mentality not Levy or Conte.

And it also reports from the dressing room that the bipolar yoyoing from unqualified praise to pure vitriol is impacting players.

Seems to be widely sourced and not from one perspective.

 

[spursfan77]

So no one at the club has said anything, just well-placed sources close to the club.

Pinch of salt for me with that one.

Agree. He’s that paragraph in context. Yesterday Pitt Brooke said he couldn’t see him leaving so I suspect they are hedging their bets but their tone is definitely different to the previous 24 hours.

So, is Conte’s departure imminent?

Well-placed sources close to the club were pretty much unanimous on Thursday that they can’t see Conte still being in charge at Tottenham next season.

But he is not expected to leave soon. Resigning would affect the size of the pay-off he would receive and would be damaging to his reputation having taken the job so recently. It would suggest a lack of preparedness for what to expect at Spurs or an admission that he had overestimated his ability to turn things around.

Neither is a great look but he may think he has enough credit in the bank that future employers would overlook the folly of the last few months.

Compatriot Carlo Ancelotti, for instance, was handed a second spell as Real Madrid coach last summer fresh from a pretty underwhelming year and a half managing Everton.

Were he to leave now, though, Conte would almost certainly have to wait until the summer for an attractive vacancy to open up. And remember, it was his itchy feet that compelled him to take the Spurs job in November having turned it down a few months earlier, during pre-season.

He also wants to prove he can be successful with a club that does not have a big transfer budget or a history as one of its country’s most successful sides.

 

[Amo]

Agree. He’s that paragraph in context. Yesterday Pitt Brooke said he couldn’t see him leaving so I suspect they are hedging their bets but their tone is definitely different to the previous 24 hours.

So, is Conte’s departure imminent?

Well-placed sources close to the club were pretty much unanimous on Thursday that they can’t see Conte still being in charge at Tottenham next season.

But he is not expected to leave soon. Resigning would affect the size of the pay-off he would receive and would be damaging to his reputation having taken the job so recently. It would suggest a lack of preparedness for what to expect at Spurs or an admission that he had overestimated his ability to turn things around.

Neither is a great look but he may think he has enough credit in the bank that future employers would overlook the folly of the last few months.

Compatriot Carlo Ancelotti, for instance, was handed a second spell as Real Madrid coach last summer fresh from a pretty underwhelming year and a half managing Everton.

Were he to leave now, though, Conte would almost certainly have to wait until the summer for an attractive vacancy to open up. And remember, it was his itchy feet that compelled him to take the Spurs job in November having turned it down a few months earlier, during pre-season.

He also wants to prove he can be successful with a club that does not have a big transfer budget or a history as one of its country’s most successful sides.

Also it's hardly earth shattering that people close to the club are thinking this when Conte himself explicitly stated it the other day.

It bakes in assumptions that results stay the same for the rest of the season as they have the last five matches.

But he was unbeaten in nine PL matches before that.

If results change then the mood will probably change (assuming he doesn't quit before the end of the season).

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Fine... with that logic Conte should be given time.

I think he should be given time but the problem is does he want it. He knows that without CL we can't attract the best players and rebuilding this squad is going to take a long time and Conte has never been one for the long haul. I hope he stays for at least another couple of years and see the rebuild through but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[kaz Hirai]

id prefer he stay and try and win something next season with hopefully a bigger better squad BUT I really wouldn't shed any tears if he left, he's quite annoying with these tantrums

 

[spursfan77]

I think he should be given time but the problem is does he want it. He knows that without CL we can't attract the best players and rebuilding this squad is going to take a long time and Conte has never been one for the long haul. I hope he stays for at least another couple of years and see the rebuild through but I'm not holding my breath.

Let’s see what he says in his press conference today. He’ll be asked about his future yet again.

His words had the desired effect of taking people’s eyes off us losing again. I really wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of the reason for them.

 

[mil1lion]

I do think there's some method to his madness. It feels like one week he says he's willing to fight for the players. Now he's essentially testing his players to fight for him. Almost like by saying he might not be good enough is his way to get a reaction. Players need to show him that he is good enough. I'm at least encouraged by the effort we still put in. I wonder what our running stats are like in these last 5 games compared to the previous 5. To me it still looks like the players are covering good ground. It's just the weak mentality is a big issue and lack of quality. Those things can only be resolved in the transfer window. What the players can do is keep fighting and maybe finish top 6. Even just turn defeats into some draws. Pretty shocking that we draw so few and either win or lose most games.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

I think he should be given time but the problem is does he want it. He knows that without CL we can't attract the best players and rebuilding this squad is going to take a long time and Conte has never been one for the long haul. I hope he stays for at least another couple of years and see the rebuild through but I'm not holding my breath.

IF he doesn't want it... then he should go after the season. Of course... any manager who is here should want to be here... but my bet is that he is not running away... it's a new situation for him. Let's see what happens... it could mould him into a better manager if he pulls through... I agree that he needs to be a bit careful with his emotions and words in this delicate situation... but he shouldn't change too much either... It's a balance... hopefully we are all a lot wiser tomorrow after the game.

The Leeds-game and The FA Cup next week will be very important for this Conte-project.