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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

agrdavidsfan

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As we are not playing to dominate possession I don’t see your points as valid.

I’ve felt we deserved each of our wins and have drawn 2 difficult away derbies. These really aren’t bad times at all.
I think you are the class half full type, honestly do you not think with this team we should be dominating opposition and attacking them?
 

-Afri-Coy-

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I mean the bar is basically on the floor in terms of quality but Doherty is miles better than Emerson. He was excellent when he got a proper run under Conte before his injury. The fact Conte persists with Emerson when Doherty (and Spence) are better just boggles my mind.

I think Spence deserves a shot ahead of Matt, but it’s personal opinion at that point.
 

Crow

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The Conte vaccination is wearing off, we are slowly mutating into the Delta variant of Dr Tottenham
 

austinfh

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This each journey to the stadium for me is 12 hours plus 120 quid all in and like you I don’t look forward to it at all, it’s like watching paint dry we don’t go after teams at all we just lay off and hope for the best there’s no plan or cohesion it’s laughable no zip to our play at all no pace and no intensity.

Contes Chelsea were like this and towards the end they went even more like this, I’m worried starting to think maybe he’s not the messiah
Very commendable you pay that much each game, I don’t pay that much for the train but still it grates me

I know I’ve always been just a customer to spurs but I just feel that more and more now. £55 plus BOOKING FEE for my seat for CL games, having to pay extra for a streaming service, turgid football, I don’t know it’s just all very boring and frustrating
 

cjbyid

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I think you are the class half full type, honestly do you not think with this team we should be dominating opposition and attacking them?

I don't think we should be dominating games with our current squad.

They're not ball playing players.
 

mpickard2087

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As I've said for weeks, winning games or not the attacking unit is not in form and still has deficiencies. Son and Kane are so far off it in every aspect it's unbelievable. Tonight though against a decent opposition, and the midfield and defence having an off night, we couldn't compensate for that.

I also don't think Richarlison - Kane - Son is a very balanced and complimentary trio. Didn't on paper when they were signed and you go through the possible permutations, definitely don't on their initial outings.

Wingbacks continue to be a massive issue. We'll skip the right flank, I touched on it last week in a post but tbh I want more from Perisic also. He has classy touches and a few moments but I expected him to be much more aggressive in his play. We aren't getting enough from either flank still.

Conte has got to find the solutions going forward. Get them firing, or find the alternatives.
 

dontcallme

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I think you are the class half full type, honestly do you not think with this team we should be dominating opposition and attacking them?
I’ve never given a shit about dominating possession.

A lot of the best football I’ve seen Spurs play has been counter attacking football. A lot of the worst has been us having the ball and not knowing what to do with it.
 

THFC_SWE

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I'm not saying Conte should be sacked. That would be stupid.

But tbh, I can't see that we will develop much more under Conte. I feel like we will challenge for the 4th place in the league, but that's it.

And it's so frustrating that Conte refuses to use our midfield. It's always a ball from our defenders towards Kane or Richarlison, who should flick it towards Son or someone else. It's starting to get very predictable.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Anyone who says they enjoy this football is lying to themselves, it bores me to tears, Conte has to make a change to the system or personnel in it.

It’s nowhere near time to start calling for his head thats just silly, but this football is only permissible if you are winning, a row of losses and it’ll get ugly real quick ala Jose.
 

agrdavidsfan

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Very commendable you pay that much each game, I don’t pay that much for the train but still it grates me

I know I’ve always been just a customer to spurs but I just feel that more and more now. £55 plus BOOKING FEE for my seat for CL games, having to pay extra for a streaming service, turgid football, I don’t know it’s just all very boring and frustrating
I can’t justify it anymore, unfortunately with the way the cost of living is going it’s not value for money, I’m considering even listing my next few tickets as it all feels disheartening.
I go to be entertained not get depressed
 

agrdavidsfan

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I’ve never given a shit about dominating possession.

A lot of the best football I’ve seen Spurs play has been counter attacking football. A lot of the worst has been us having the ball and not knowing what to do with it.
But this in itself we are not even really doing the counter attack effectively anymore as teams have worked us out, which again worries me does he have a plan to change it?

all I ask is for a bit of intensity, which we don’t have at all there is no zip to our passing it’s almost passive.
 

EireYid

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The sad part is, if Spence played the game Emerson had today, we'd never see him again. I'm fully behind Conte and you're crazy if you're not, but he's wrong with the decision to persist with Emerson.
 

Wadec

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Completely agree with those saying the games this season are not enjoyable. I also think it is completely fair to be disappointed with our performances this season and in turn also be disappointed with Conte.

This does not mean he should be sacked or people should turn against him. I just think an elite manager should be held to the highest standards. In my opinion Conte has not had a good start to the season, questionable selections and poor substitutions aside. We have struggled to get out of first gear in every game, teams outnumber us in the middle or set up their defence to restrict Conte's patterns of play and we look unable to adjust.

I expect better from one of the world's truly elite coaches. I do understand the Nuno and Jose comparisons to a degree. Whilst I think the comparison is OTT I do think we are sometimes a bit starry-eyed when it comes to Conte and dare not question him.

All that being said, I am sure Conte will get us playing better. Hope it starts this weekend.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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@dontcallme you can enjoy counter attacking football, Redknapps team were about as exciting as you could get, but this?

not a chance, theres not much quick electrifying attacks and passing its just us turning over the ball and then having no clue what to do with it, it is miserable.
 

bloodzeed

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Under Conte we have played some great stuff at times but when it's not clicking with front 3

We look alwful don't help when we have Emerson as our RB
 

agrdavidsfan

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I don't think we should be dominating games with our current squad.

They're not ball playing players.
I disagree,
There are a few cloggers yes, Hojbjerg,Emerson and I’d argue son is also poor with possession.

however there are more than enough players and qualify there to be able to dominate 70% of the teams we face
 

dontcallme

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But this in itself we are not even really doing the counter attack effectively anymore as teams have worked us out, which again worries me does he have a plan to change it?

all I ask is for a bit of intensity, which we don’t have at all there is no zip to our passing it’s almost passive.
I agree we are not countering as well as we could at the moment. We need our front 3 playing better, notably Kane and Son, plus the wing backs need to improve our be improved on.

I’ve no issue with us looking to improve our countering and don’t care if we never dominate.
 

JCRD

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I laugh when people start wanting X player or Y player to play - this isnt about just one player, this is about how we approach the game and the passive walking football we are playing. It is walking pace football.

I am going to take this game though as a positive. We were never going to sustain the situation where results were outweighing performances, all I kept hearing was - oh its a good sign we are winning without playing well. Sorry but this was it, this was how we were going to play. As for us looking comfortable, is this from the perspective of the other team not causing us huge problems? because im looking at it from how well we are also attacking, being comfortable gets you only so far.

So im hoping this is a point where Conte says we need to do somethiing different and the players buck up their ideas.
 

WiganSpur

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The sad part is, if Spence played the game Emerson had today, we'd never see him again. I'm fully behind Conte and you're crazy if you're not, but he's wrong with the decision to persist with Emerson.
His best matches have come at the big away grounds and he's useful in those games but when we need attacking impetus he should be nowhere near the side. As soon as we're chasing a goal he should be one of the first to come off also.
 

agrdavidsfan

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Completely agree with those saying the games this season are not enjoyable. I also think it is completely fair to be disappointed with our performances this season and in turn also be disappointed with Conte.

This does not mean he should be sacked or people should turn against him. I just think an elite manager should be held to the highest standards. In my opinion Conte has not had a good start to the season, questionable selections and poor substitutions aside. We have struggled to get out of first gear in every game, teams outnumber us in the middle or set up their defence to restrict Conte's patterns of play and we look unable to adjust.

I expect better from one of the world's truly elite coaches. I do understand the Nuno and Jose comparisons to a degree. Whilst I think the comparison is OTT I do think we are sometimes a bit starry-eyed when it comes to Conte and dare not question him.

All that being said, I am sure Conte will get us playing better. Hope it starts this weekend.
This is spot on, if we expected the same as we expect from sonny from conte it’s both to say they are in the same form.
 
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