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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

SpursSince1980

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If he's goes we are screwed
I guess that would depend on who replaced him though, right?

After a year, i am happy to see we are getting results. However, the style of football has been largely turgid this season. There are a few reason for this. Some out of his control, some not.

What is in his control is team set up, style of play, and man management. He is highly rigid and demanding of his players to strictly play his preferred approach. Which sometimes looks decent, when it clicks. But looks ugly when players are injured, overplayed, low on confidence, or simply not good enough to make his system work.

Unquestionably, we need at least one more CB at or better than Romero’s level. A RWB that is at the Hakimi level. And a versatile attacker and/or creative midfielder. For me. We are about four players short of what will make his system flow.

what I don’t like is his insistence on hardly rotating. He can’t expect a player who has splinters up their ass, to come in and play well right off the bat. That’s not fair.

So, so many of a core set of 15 players are knackered. Sometimes bad luck with injuries in key areas. EG: Romero looking to be taking a leaf out of the Lo Celso playbook of being frequently injured yet always fit to play for Argentina.

Conte is intractable in his beliefs. It is often the reason why he leaves positions after 2 years.

He’s an odd duck for me. I do feel he can lead us to be a powerhouse. But I also won’t be upset if he did leave and the likes of Poch replaced him. He’s a great coach. We are lucky to have him, but his style of football isn’t easy on the eyes. And the jury is out on its ultimate effectiveness.

In short: he is no messiah. We won’t be up the creek if he left. We’d attract a quality replacement and we would have continuity due to FP.
 

Blake Griffin

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it's good to win but scraping wins over bournemouth and leeds is hardly inspiring stuff. what we're seeing aren't the signs of a team that is going to achieve anything meaningful.
 

iddebu52

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I guess that would depend on who replaced him though, right?

After a year, i am happy to see we are getting results. However, the style of football has been largely turgid this season. There are a few reason for this. Some out of his control, some not.

What is in his control is team set up, style of play, and man management. He is highly rigid and demanding of his players to strictly play his preferred approach. Which sometimes looks decent, when it clicks. But looks ugly when players are injured, overplayed, low on confidence, or simply not good enough to make his system work.

Unquestionably, we need at least one more CB at or better than Romero’s level. A RWB that is at the Hakimi level. And a versatile attacker and/or creative midfielder. For me. We are about four players short of what will make his system flow.

what I don’t like is his insistence on hardly rotating. He can’t expect a player who has splinters up their ass, to come in and play well right off the bat. That’s not fair.

So, so many of a core set of 15 players are knackered. Sometimes bad luck with injuries in key areas. EG: Romero looking to be taking a leaf out of the Lo Celso playbook of being frequently injured yet always fit to play for Argentina.

Conte is intractable in his beliefs. It is often the reason why he leaves positions after 2 years.

He’s an odd duck for me. I do feel he can lead us to be a powerhouse. But I also won’t be upset if he did leave and the likes of Poch replaced him. He’s a great coach. We are lucky to have him, but his style of football isn’t easy on the eyes. And the jury is out on its ultimate effectiveness.

In short: he is no messiah. We won’t be up the creek if he left. We’d attract a quality replacement and we would have continuity due to FP.
Poch is past tense, period.
 

Johnny J

Not the Kiwi you need but the one you deserve
Aug 18, 2012
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But I also won’t be upset if he did leave and the likes of Poch replaced him. He’s a great coach. We are lucky to have him, but his style of football isn’t easy on the eyes. And the jury is out on its ultimate effectiveness.
I'm still not sure just how good Poch is as a manager. He's good, but is he great?

At his best with us he had an incredible set of players. Peak Kane, Son, Dembele, Eriksen, Walker, Rose, Wanyama, Jan, Toby, Lloris. We legitimately should have won something major with them.

I think Poch did very well with a set of younger, talented players who bought into his system and ran all day for him.

I never got the impression that Poch was a tactical genius, though. Maybe I'm wrong.

My recollection is that we had two world class central defenders who could both play out, two incredible wing backs who dominated their entire side of the pitch, Dembele and Wanyama dominating midfield, and Eriksen pulling the strings.

Obviously Poch is rightly praised for the fantastic work he did with us. But if Conte left, I'm not convinced he's the guy to take us forward.
 

midoshairband

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Apr 25, 2006
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it's good to win but scraping wins over bournemouth and leeds is hardly inspiring stuff. what we're seeing aren't the signs of a team that is going to achieve anything meaningful.

i get that, but what if we have this never say die mentality but with a lot better quality in the team? if we keep this manager, and bring in some quality we could be onto something. imagine having proper defender who can defend, a keeper that isn't made of paper. we may be able to play better from the off and trust our defence a bit.

plus, sooner or later we are going to have to settle on a manager, give him the means to form a squad, and give him time. as far as i can see it may as well be Conte because at least he has the personality to demand from Levy.
 

djhotspur

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Aug 31, 2021
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it's good to win but scraping wins over bournemouth and leeds is hardly inspiring stuff. what we're seeing aren't the signs of a team that is going to achieve anything meaningful.
Bournouth was the result of loads of injuries and a massive champions league match.

Leeds are no mugs, they out played arsenal and deserved the win
 

knowlespurs

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May 31, 2012
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We have to put our faith in him and give him time, football was good last year and we got top 4, forward injuries have really affected us and with one more cb feel could really finish the season strong
All the better players are bought in, hopefully can get him on a longer term deal in this break

Oh stop playing Emerson
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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Pochettino will be our manager by the start of next season.
God, I hope not.
That'll mean yet another change, another year of transition and drag the squad rebuild on even longer.

The way I see it, we simply have to back Conte and let him do what he does.
We need to entrust our rebuild to him and fab, not panic and end up kicking the can further down the road, wasting more money in the process.

We need some stability, some decisive stability.
 

spursville

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May 7, 2019
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I guess that would depend on who replaced him though, right?

After a year, i am happy to see we are getting results. However, the style of football has been largely turgid this season. There are a few reason for this. Some out of his control, some not.

What is in his control is team set up, style of play, and man management. He is highly rigid and demanding of his players to strictly play his preferred approach. Which sometimes looks decent, when it clicks. But looks ugly when players are injured, overplayed, low on confidence, or simply not good enough to make his system work.

Unquestionably, we need at least one more CB at or better than Romero’s level. A RWB that is at the Hakimi level. And a versatile attacker and/or creative midfielder. For me. We are about four players short of what will make his system flow.

what I don’t like is his insistence on hardly rotating. He can’t expect a player who has splinters up their ass, to come in and play well right off the bat. That’s not fair.

So, so many of a core set of 15 players are knackered. Sometimes bad luck with injuries in key areas. EG: Romero looking to be taking a leaf out of the Lo Celso playbook of being frequently injured yet always fit to play for Argentina.

Conte is intractable in his beliefs. It is often the reason why he leaves positions after 2 years.

He’s an odd duck for me. I do feel he can lead us to be a powerhouse. But I also won’t be upset if he did leave and the likes of Poch replaced him. He’s a great coach. We are lucky to have him, but his style of football isn’t easy on the eyes. And the jury is out on its ultimate effectiveness.

In short: he is no messiah. We won’t be up the creek if he left. We’d attract a quality replacement and we would have continuity due to FP.
I agree with a lot of this. I'm not sure that Levy and 'the powers that be' are going to release enough money to buy the four superb/world class players that you're hoping for. And perhaps they do need to be complete players for Conte's system since I'm yet to be convinced that he has the ability or interest in developing a score of talented youngsters. Even those four players would create a decent first eleven but to compete on two or more fronts we need even more top quality players for the squad. Can we really afford that?

As for giving Conte time, Howe was appointed at almost the same time as Conte, and (without many expensive players) seems to be getting Newcastle playing much better football with a few more points than us which makes me think that there's something wrong at Spurs behind the scenes. I'm not sure how this all ends, but we are the 6th or 7th richest EPL club so I guess if we finish a bit higher than 6th or 7th we're to be grateful - especially given the chaos that occured after Poch left.
 

Metalhead

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Nov 24, 2013
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I agree with a lot of this. I'm not sure that Levy and 'the powers that be' are going to release enough money to buy the four superb/world class players that you're hoping for. And perhaps they do need to be complete players for Conte's system since I'm yet to be convinced that he has the ability or interest in developing a score of talented youngsters. Even those four players would create a decent first eleven but to compete on two or more fronts we need even more top quality players for the squad. Can we really afford that?

As for giving Conte time, Howe was appointed at almost the same time as Conte, and (without many expensive players) seems to be getting Newcastle playing much better football with a few more points than us which makes me think that there's something wrong at Spurs behind the scenes. I'm not sure how this all ends, but we are the 6th or 7th richest EPL club so I guess if we finish a bit higher than 6th or 7th we're to be grateful - especially given the chaos that occured after Poch left.
Funny with Howe because people were scoffing at the mere mention of him on previous occasions.
 

Teegart

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Jun 30, 2006
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A silver lining is the last few games have highlighted just how much we need reinforcements at the back. Today was pretty much ideal for Conte, 3 points and any pushback from Levy (I’m not saying there will be FYI) over January transfers, and Conte just needs to hand over a copy of todays game.
 
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