Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[TPdYID]

Course poch would take it like a shot, therein is part of the problem

And for this reason, Conte doesn’t quite hold all the aces like he usually would do…

 

[Snarfalicious]

On this week's episode of "The End is Nigh" - Antonio is spikey, Levy second-guesses if he truly is in love, and Pochettino is horny.

 

[YB123]

I'm sure Levy has tried for Enrique 2 or 3 times now? Loves him. Maybe just coincidence but Enrique available, wans a club job and all of a sudden the Conte rumours start appearing....

 

[jimbo]

I think Levy has done an excellent job and I'd be very worried about us being able to find anyone who could move us on further, this side of an arab oil billionaire. He would lose some of that good faith though, if he doesn't spend a reasonable amount each and every window from here on.

The stadium is drawing in huge revenue. We've got some CL prize money, all our competitors are able to spend. Let's see the end phase of this project, no more excuses.

I think this is an interesting perspective, I'd certainly agree that he's done an excellent job for Joe Lewis and Enic, I'm not sure he's done an excellent job for the fans or the club. I also find it strange that you can't imagine anyone doing better outside of a billionaire - has he really earned that level of worship? It's not as though he's the only chairman who could have built a new stadium and training ground for one of the richest clubs in Europe is it? (Even if we leave out his attempts to move the club to the Olympic Stadium site.)

Up to about 2018 I think he did a good job, but not without caveats - his trophy haul is equal to Sugar and he's presided over a much stronger team. For me, from 2018 I think he stopped doing a good job and is now doing a bad one. The Summer of Nuno, after the Jose debacle, should really have been the end of the line. The appointment of Conte should be the gift shop of the last chance saloon.

 

[parj]

The club needs to decide who is is responsible for the playing squad, AC or FP/DL. If it's FP/DL then Conte has to go cos it will not work, or accept he has to coach and develop the players he is given. If it's AC then FP/DL need to deliver what he wants. The middle ground isn't working. We can't be buying players that AC doesn't want and then be told they need 6 to 18 months to learn how to play his style. Once the rattle is out of the pram we will start seeing square pegs in round holes from Conte to force the sacking.

 

[PrettyColors]

We’re getting left behind as is. It’s as simple as that.

We will be 5th and soon 6th in the pecking order unless we sort this right now. And once you spiral in football it’s very difficult to turn it around without spending even MORE money or a painful rebuild period. This is a potential disastrous inflection point for the club. We must navigate it correctly.

 

[nferno]

My thoughts

 

[parj]

I think this is an interesting perspective, I'd certainly agree that he's done an excellent job for Joe Lewis and Enic, I'm not sure he's done an excellent job for the fans or the club. I also find it strange that you can't imagine anyone doing better outside of a billionaire - has he really earned that level of worship? It's not as though he's the only chairman who could have built a new stadium and training ground for one of the richest clubs in Europe is it? (Even if we leave out his attempts to move the club to the Olympic Stadium site.)

Up to about 2018 I think he did a good job, but not without caveats - his trophy haul is equal to Sugar and he's presided over a much stronger team. For me, from 2018 I think he stopped doing a good job and is now doing a bad one. The Summer of Nuno, after the Jose debacle, should really have been the end of the line. The appointment of Conte should be the gift shop of the last chance saloon.

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Levy has done an excellent job developing Tottenham Hotspur. When he took over top 8 was an achievement. Now we want the best. We have the "best" manager, the best stadium and one of the best training facilities.

Where he has lacked is not backing any of his managers properly. The worst being the manager that got him into two title challenges but with a pretty thin squad. He is either too tight or too scared to back managers. But he is also way too erratic in the manager type he appoints. AVB, Ramos, Jose and Conte to Redknapp, Poch, Jol. Pick a manager style that matches the philosophy of the club so you can actually build one squad and keep enhancing it instead of changing it every 2 or 3 years

 

[easley91]

Levy has done an excellent job developing Tottenham Hotspur. When he took over top 8 was an achievement. Now we want the best. We have the "best" manager, the best stadium and one of the best training facilities.

Where he has lacked is not backing any of his managers properly. The worst being the manager that got him into two title challenges but with a pretty thin squad. He is either too tight or too scared to back managers. But he is also way too erratic in the manager type he appoints. AVB, Ramos, Jose and Conte to Redknapp, Poch, Jol. Pick a manager style that matches the philosophy of the club so you can actually build one squad and keep enhancing it instead of changing it every 2 or 3 years

People hate to admit it, but Levy has done good for the club. He built our reputation from mid table obscurity to being invited to the Super League table. All with one trophy in his tenure. People will remember the negatives and forget any positive impact he had on the club since he came in. Without him, we don't have the training ground, we don't have the stadium, we don't have the ability to attract Mourinho, Conte and Paratici.

Having said that, his time is coming to an end and this might be when it happens.

 

[thelak]

Honest question does Levy actually know anything about football

like if you sat down with him would he know how to spot a good fotballer or any up and coming players?

i always have had the impression that beyond Spurs he’s probably heard of Messi, Ronaldo and that Mbappe is an up and coming player

 

[parj]

People hate to admit it, but Levy has done good for the club. He built our reputation from mid table obscurity to being invited to the Super League table. All with one trophy in his tenure. People will remember the negatives and forget any positive impact he had on the club since he came in. Without him, we don't have the training ground, we don't have the stadium, we don't have the ability to attract Mourinho, Conte and Paratici.

Having said that, his time is coming to an end and this might be when it happens.

I can see his time coming to an end. But will the fans be able to accept a Glazer type owner or oil money?

 

[Albertbarich]

Starting to feel like the stadium was a complete waste of time.

We still can't compete, still bickering about sell on value, wages being too high and still nowhere near competing for the league

I didn't want all that time at Wembley, all those baron windows to just read tweets about shit pop music and boxing matches.

So we have the best stadium which gives us huge revenues, the most expensive tickets, the most expensive kits and the lowest wage to turnover ratio in the country . Something doesn't add up here.

It's a depressing cycle of nothing. It feels like they will fuck up by losing Conte or not backing him and lots will get angry and some will defend them no matter what, then in time people just let their anger turn to acceptance and we wait for the next cycle of hope and frustration.

I hope the boss can manipulate them to get what he needs but I'm pretty bored of this acceptance that it will go tits up sooner or later.

 

[Albertbarich]

Honest question does Levy actually know anything about football

like if you sat down with him would he know how to spot a good fotballer or any up and coming players?

i always have had the impression that beyond Spurs he’s probably heard of Messi, Ronaldo and that Mbappe is an up and coming player

He knows enough to think you don't have to spend lots of money to build a successful team apparently.

 

[PrettyColors]

If there was ever a time to sell the team to a shady mega billionaire the time would be now.

 

[jimbo]

Levy has done an excellent job developing Tottenham Hotspur. When he took over top 8 was an achievement. Now we want the best. We have the "best" manager, the best stadium and one of the best training facilities.

Where he has lacked is not backing any of his managers properly. The worst being the manager that got him into two title challenges but with a pretty thin squad. He is either too tight or too scared to back managers. But he is also way too erratic in the manager type he appoints. AVB, Ramos, Jose and Conte to Redknapp, Poch, Jol. Pick a manager style that matches the philosophy of the club so you can actually build one squad and keep enhancing it instead of changing it every 2 or 3 years

I think we're saying a lot of the same things, he's done an excellent job developing Tottenham Hotspur Plc, less so Tottenham Hotspur FC. When he took over we were in a bad way, but that had a lot to do with Scholar - it still took 10 years for the club to reach a level the Newcastle ownership seem set to achieve in 1. Yes, they have oil money but in terms of what they spent, adjusted for inflation, was that really out of reach for this club and the ownership? I'm not so sure. Prior to the 2010s we were one of only 2 clubs to have won a trophy in every decade since the war, so while he has lifted us from bottom half to top 6 again he has presided over the loss of that record. Numerous times we just needed that little bit more, a final push to go from competitors to winners, and it has never come. Only the threat of relegation, and presumably the impact that would have on share values, has really seen us spend as we might.

He certainly has built a fantastic multi-sports stadium, but if we're not going to see that lead to investment in the football club then you have to wonder what the point of it all was, other than to increase the share price of course.

It seems to me that we will only ever be the bridesmaid occasionally and never the bride, so long as the chairman is happy just to be invited to the wedding.

 

[YB123]

He knows enough to think you don't have to spend lots of money to build a successful team apparently.

And its a once in a blue moon thing. I mean Poch era we should've won a couple of things.

Leciester more inconsistent but a league title, FA Cup & Community Shield in last 7 years.

Atletico Madrid Simeone

Klopp Dortmund

Ranieri to Benitez Valencia

Cant think of too many more. Which shows Levy is delusional or has a major dose of wishful thinking.

 

[dtxspurs]

Starting to feel like the stadium was a complete waste of time.

We still can't compete, still bickering about sell on value, wages being too high and still nowhere near competing for the league

I didn't want all that time at Wembley, all those baron windows to just read tweets about shit pop music and boxing matches.

So we have the best stadium which gives us huge revenues, the most expensive tickets, the most expensive kits and the lowest wage to turnover ratio in the country . Something doesn't add up here.

It's a depressing cycle of nothing. It feels like they will fuck up by losing Conte or not backing him and lots will get angry and some will defend them no matter what, then in time people just let their anger turn to acceptance and we wait for the next cycle of hope and frustration.

I hope the boss can manipulate them to get what he needs but I'm pretty bored of this acceptance that it will go tits up sooner or later.

To be fair we have been spending more, it just doesn't quite feel like as much as we expected & is disappointing when clubs like West Ham outspend us in the Summer.

 

[YB123]

If there was ever a time to sell the team to a shady mega billionaire the time would be now.

Selling our soul but there's not much other choice in footy anymore. We've gone long enough now. Has to be a change.

 

[JR1994]

And for this reason, Conte doesn’t quite hold all the aces like he usually would do…

Think Kane leaving/staying is Contes ace though. And that’s much bigger than Poch

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

And for this reason, Conte doesn’t quite hold all the aces like he usually would do…

I don't follow.