Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[spursfan77]

Now is the perfect opportunity for him to give Gil a go.

But judging by his pre match comments, 3-5-2 & Lucas are ahead of him ??‍

I reckon he'll go back to 343 with perisic in attack. Last season it worked really well against newcastle when they pushed up in the second half (inexplicably for no reason) so we might as well try it again. Although Howe did say they've learnt from that game more than others in his prematch press conference this week. So they might be a bit more pragmatic.

 

[mil1lion]

I wonder if he will start Emerson for this one as Doherty may not have 3 games in a week yet. Rotating the wing backs seems most likely so can see Sess start too. Maybe add Lenglet but I'm not sure about the rest, I think we'll stay with the 3 midfielders and 2 forwards from Wednesday. 3 changes seems about right and I don't see 343 without Kulusevski or Richarlison available. It may be wise to stick 352 for now just so the players can adapt to it some more. That should allow the flexibility after the world cup to play either 343 or 352 and have the players understand each system well enough.

 

[the lad]

I wonder if he will start Emerson for this one as Doherty may not have 3 games in a week yet. Rotating the wing backs seems most likely so can see Sess start too. Maybe add Lenglet but I'm not sure about the rest, I think we'll stay with the 3 midfielders and 2 forwards from Wednesday. 3 changes seems about right and I don't see 343 without Kulusevski or Richarlison available. It may be wise to stick 352 for now just so the players can adapt to it some more. That should allow the flexibility after the world cup to play either 343 or 352 and have the players understand each system well enough.

Please no Emerson Royal against the barcodes, Ivan on the right Sess on the left.

 

[npearl4spurs]

We will have to keep watching to see if we do actually improve. We will have to see players step up, improve, and succeed in the roles Conte wants them in. We will have to see Conte adapt, coach, and help these players to improve individually and as a team.

Nothing has really changed. If you look at the fixtures and the results now vs. the guesses of what you would hope the results would be before the season started, nothing has changed. You would look at Arsenal away and honestly say, "Yeah, we would probably lose that." Same with United away. It is going the way we realistically could have expected.

Now can we actually continue to maintain an upward trajectory? How will we do against Newcastle and Liverpool at home? Can we find a way to win at least one and at least draw the other? Can we defeat Sporting at home and progress to the next round in the CL? Can we continue to do what we should do and defeat Bournemouth away and Leeds at home?

If we have good results when the World Cup comes around, then we can have reason to be hopeful for the remainder of the season. I sure hope we will because going through the WC and the holiday season feeling like we are just going to tread water this season will be pretty depressing.

 

[DOX]

Conte, a serial winner. I get that. But look at the teams he won ? with. Ready-made lean, mean ?machines. How he improved the results last season was an incredible feat – indubitably!

But the way he sets the team to up play (except, his insistence on playing the ball out from the back) is so, so negative. More than often, I find myself hoping Spurs won’t take an early lead … and I, highly, doubt that I’m the only one.

I mean, (peak -and mediocre) Poch era, he would always try to dominate the teams we faced. No matter what…

Conte & Spurs is a match made in peak Mourinho hell.

 

[Metalhead]

Conte, a serial winner. I get that. But look at the teams he won ? with. Ready-made lean, mean ?machines. How he improved the results last season was an incredible feat – indubitably!

But the way he sets the team to up play (except, his insistence on playing the ball out from the back) is so, so negative. More than often, I find myself hoping Spurs won’t take an early lead … and I, highly, doubt that I’m the only one.

I mean, (peak -and mediocre) Poch era, he would always try to dominate the teams we faced. No matter what…

Conte & Spurs is a match made in peak Mourinho hell.

I love Conte and do believe in the process but for sure there is going to be some short term pain. I don't personally mind the football as long as it's effective but against United we were neither one thing nor t'other as the old saying goes. I don't know whether it's a case of 'negative football - negative mindset' or still needing more players in certain areas to make it work or the players just not getting what Conte is trying to get across to them or maybe a combination of all 3 but I can't see any miraculous overnight improvements.

 

[joey.leone]

Conte, a serial winner. I get that. But look at the teams he won ? with. Ready-made lean, mean ?machines. How he improved the results last season was an incredible feat – indubitably!

But the way he sets the team to up play (except, his insistence on playing the ball out from the back) is so, so negative. More than often, I find myself hoping Spurs won’t take an early lead … and I, highly, doubt that I’m the only one.

I mean, (peak -and mediocre) Poch era, he would always try to dominate the teams we faced. No matter what…

Conte & Spurs is a match made in peak Mourinho hell.

Tbf, his title wins with Juventus and Inter were the first Scudetto wins in nearly a decade for both teams if I'm not mistaken. So I'm not sure his teams were ready made as such. But yeah, they were probably better placed than us to implement his methods and win trophies.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Conte, a serial winner. I get that. But look at the teams he won ? with. Ready-made lean, mean ?machines. How he improved the results last season was an incredible feat – indubitably!

But the way he sets the team to up play (except, his insistence on playing the ball out from the back) is so, so negative. More than often, I find myself hoping Spurs won’t take an early lead … and I, highly, doubt that I’m the only one.

I mean, (peak -and mediocre) Poch era, he would always try to dominate the teams we faced. No matter what…

Conte & Spurs is a match made in peak Mourinho hell.

One post the other day still resonates with me. Said no currently successful, trophy winning team is playing counter footie.

 

[slartibartfast]

We still need about 5 quality players in to even think about competing imo.

 

[djhotspur]

Conte, a serial winner. I get that. But look at the teams he won ? with. Ready-made lean, mean ?machines. How he improved the results last season was an incredible feat – indubitably!

But the way he sets the team to up play (except, his insistence on playing the ball out from the back) is so, so negative. More than often, I find myself hoping Spurs won’t take an early lead … and I, highly, doubt that I’m the only one.

I mean, (peak -and mediocre) Poch era, he would always try to dominate the teams we faced. No matter what…

Conte & Spurs is a match made in peak Mourinho hell.

I wouldn’t go that far, he took an inter side in mediocrity who hasn’t won the league in 10 years to 2nd then the title.
he took a chelsea side that finished like 8th the season before to the title. He took a failing juve side to back to back wins. He took one of the worst Italy sides ever to the 1/4s. He isn’t pep he hasn’t come into top sides

 

[djhotspur]

We’ve been incredibly unlucky to have 3 forwards out injured at one time, one who hadn’t kicked a ball all season who is waiting to come back to fitness,
If we have a fully fit forward line it would be a different story.
look at arsenal, they have had their key attackers fit all season. If they had Saka, nketia veira injured at the same time I’m sure it would affect their attack. They’d have to play ode, martinelli and Jesus constantly, even in Europe.
I thought the performance was abysmal, but we need to have patience we need to judge conte when everyone is fit and integrated, when we’ve had two more windows with buying the players conte wants to suit the system.
we have too many players in the squad either not fit or not good enough or not right for the system.
United had a lot of very expensive, big name signings already in their squad and added 200m of quality additions across 3 positions, plus a couple more exciting additions.
They bought a 5 times champions league winning Casemiro who was part of one of the best midfields ever, who is only 30 for massive wages and massive money.
We have arguably 7 players who need to go in, Sanchez, Gil, Moura, tanganga, perisic, Emerson, Doherty. They all need upgrading to top 6 quality,
We have countless players out on loan we couldn’t sell in Rodon, ndombele, lo celso and winks. That’s 11 players, half a squad that we need to move on or sell.
We have Udogie coming in who is a massive step in the right direction, we have skipp, bissouma, spence who are all getting back to fitness or getting used to our tactical way of playing.
So that’s 14 players, then add in an injured Kulu and richarlison that’s 16 players we own who aren’t ready or not right or injured.
Imo playing the way we want to play davies and dier will never be good enough either. But that’s just my opinion.
I am as guilty as anyone of knee jerk reactions and letting my passion get the better of me but until next season I really don’t think we can judge us.
Everyone talks about we aren’t moving forward but I think we are, but you have to remember that every other big side is also moving forward. Arsenal spent a lot of money and have a very settled and ready first 11, city added in the best young striker in the world and 3 other very good quality squad players, Liverpool lost mane but spent 85m on a massive young striker talent and added couple of very high ceiling young players, chelsea added 4/5 very expensive big name players/prem proven players and will continue to spend massive money.
its so so hard to compete in the prem so we need to take stock and give out manager time to get the squad he wants.

 

[DOX]

I wouldn’t go that far, he took an inter side in mediocrity who hasn’t won the league in 10 years to 2nd then the title.
he took a chelsea side that finished like 8th the season before to the title. He took a failing juve side to back to back wins. He took one of the worst Italy sides ever to the 1/4s. He isn’t pep he hasn’t come into top sides

I, thoroughly, agree that Conte is a man who vastly improves teams – he brings “stability” and results … however, they were still all teams with completely different financial muscles than Spurs. Especially, at that time. His football is really a hard watch – and even harder when the results aren’t coming.

 

[dontcallme]

We still need about 5 quality players in to even think about competing imo.

I honestly think two high quality, athletic wing backs would transform us.

 

[djhotspur]

I honestly think two high quality, athletic wing backs would transform us.

Just gotta hope spence gets his chance, as we have Udogie coming so next season they could dominate the wings.

 

[dontcallme]

Just gotta hope spence gets his chance, as we have Udogie coming so next season they could dominate the wings.

I'm confident that if Conte had a high quality wing back with Spence's attributes who would come in and perform to the level needed now, Conte would be playing him.

 

[Japhet]

I'm confident that if Conte had a high quality wing back with Spence's attributes who would come in and perform to the level needed now, Conte would be playing him.

I can't wait for the domestic Cup competitions to get going. Surely we'll see the likes of Spence and Sarr feature then and maybe we'll get a chance to evaluate them rather than just guessing that they'd be good options now. As always, it's the players who aren't playing or haven't been seen who are deemed to be the answers to the problems.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

I honestly think two high quality, athletic wing backs would transform us.

They would improve us no doubt, we would still have a problem in so much as we don’t have press resistant players in CM and CB.

For all of PEH’s strengths, there are reasons we don’t control games whether we have a three or a two. It doesn’t start and end with PEH though, Dier and Davies compound the issue and the jury is still out on Bissouma for us, despite how good we know he can be.

 

[mil1lion]

One post the other day still resonates with me. Said no currently successful, trophy winning team is playing counter footie.

Real Madrid

 

[spursfan77]

Other managers obviously talking about it.

 

[slartibartfast]

I honestly think two high quality, athletic wing backs would transform us.

I agree it would make a massive difference but we're still short.
We have lost the quality of Walker, Rose, Toby, Verts and Eriksen and dont have a single player of the same standard in those positions, STILL.
That's half your outfield players!
It's nothing short of a miracle we are where we are. Well, it's not, we have 2 going 3 world class goal machines. Thats all thats been keeping our heads above water.
Apologies, not really right thread for this.