Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[leelee]

Please stop quoting deals done 6-8 years ago as examples of value for money. Son today would likely cost double what he did then.

Son wasn't even top drawer when we bought him. No big club was in for him iirc, we were the biggest club chasing him.

When have we signed a top top talent who was covered by the massive clubs i.e Gvardiol, Bastoni. I can't remember any time.

 

[HildoSpur]

Son wasn't even top drawer when we bought him. No big club was in for him iirc, we were the biggest club chasing him.

When have we signed a top top talent who was covered by the massive clubs i.e Gvardiol, Bastoni. I can't remember any time.

Eriksen probably. Anyway crying because we can't buy the really top players like the top tier clubs can is a total waste of time because we are in that second tier of clubs globally, this is just a fact that you need to accept. It's highly unlikely we could get players like that (I mean highly sought after top class players) to come here and it's nothing to do with the money. If you don't realise or believe that then you are destined for disappointment and frustration.

 

[spids]

It’s not really about the transfer fee, it’s about wages and bonuses. That is where we cannot compete. And that is where the financially doped clubs will always beat us hands down. That then translates into titles, which becomes an even more compelling argument.

 

[Japhet]

Son wasn't even top drawer when we bought him. No big club was in for him iirc, we were the biggest club chasing him.

When have we signed a top top talent who was covered by the massive clubs i.e Gvardiol, Bastoni. I can't remember any time.

If we can continue to bag deals like Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski I can't really say I give a fuck about doped clubs and their ludicrous business models.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Tuchel would be an interesting one, from a coaching pov.

The obvious Chelsea albatross round his neck would make it a hard one to get off the ground. Coupled with the fact we don’t usually do so well with former Chelsea managers…

He had a hard on for Spurs back when he was with Mainz. I think he would jump at the chance to Manage us.
Besides we have Chav history. Mr Boring, Mr Borings mentor and of course Antonio.
Nothing new.

 

[thebenjamin]

Tuchel would last 5 minute in the political viper's nesf of THFC.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Antonio Conte goal - 1997

 

[Jamturk]

For me bringing Mourinho and Conte in was akin to putting lipstick on a pig.

We have no right to expect to win this league or to spend copious amounts of money trying to, I don't know or understand where this entitlement has emanated from and Conte must have known this when he was offered the job.

Now because he has chosen to take the job for whatever reasons supporters are expecting us to behave or operate in a different way. I believe a good blueprint was formed when Pocchettino led us as to how a club in our position and standing could actually compete with the financial juggernauts of Europe but for some odd reason Levy and the board decided to go down a completely alien route they were neither suited or built for.

The football is dire and the politics is tedious, bring me the next Poch please and get us back to what made so many of us proud and happy to be a part of not so long ago, buying potential and developing superstars that play good attractive football the Spurs way.

 

[TPdYID]

Those players were not top end talent and certainly not coveted by the best clubs when we bought them.

We beat Southampton to sign Vertonghen ffs lol.

They were established internationals who had many games at domestic level. Not a signing like Sarr who is clearly another squad filler with the hope that some manager down the line might fancy him.

 

[Martinhotspur]

Full to overflowing I will have you know.

From the bottom filling pints Daniel installed in the new stadium.

 

[TPdYID]

But the issue is that model isn't aligned with the model of conte

You either get Conte and change the model or don't get Conte and keep the model

We are doing neither

Agree whole-heartedly.

Hence why Chelsea, with Potter may have the last laugh. He’s the ideal man for a change in direction. He’ll coach what he has and signings will be made on a club basis. Essentially he’ll need to work with what he’s told.

Spurs on the other hand; our scatter gun approach doesn’t suit the manager or the club. A sprinkle of club signings (Spence & Sarr) with a couple of manager lead signings (Perisic and Richarlison) and to complete the box of frogs, a couple of DoF signings Kulu and Benty. It’s confusing and doesn’t help the club steer in any particular direction.

 

[spids]

It's all very complicated right now and goes much deeper than just Conte v Levy. There is money available, not masses but enough to keep Conte happy, but how that money is spent is where the problem lies.

It is hard to know where the problem really lies without knowing what the pain points are (I am not asking you for more details @Trix BTW).

A hypothetical example, Conte wants us to spend big £80M+ on Hakimi (yeah, yeah I know). Levy is not keen and points out we have Emerson, Doherty and Spence, but Conte replies "Emerson is not a WB, Doherty is past his best and not quick or creative enough, Spence - I told you did not want him in the summer - too inexperienced to win things now". I could understand Levy's concerns but ultimately he'd need to yield and sign off on the deal. Basically Levy needs to tell Paratici what the budget is and then leave Paratici and Conte to it. The real problem is if Paratici and Conte disagree. Maybe that is why "it goes muchdeeper than Cote vs Levy"?

 

[TPdYID]

For me bringing Mourinho and Conte in was akin to putting lipstick on a pig.

We have no right to expect to win this league or to spend copious amounts of money trying to, I don't know or understand where this entitlement has emanated from and Conte must have known this when he was offered the job.

Now because he has chosen to take the job for whatever reasons supporters are expecting us to behave or operate in a different way. I believe a good blueprint was formed when Pocchettino led us as to how a club in our position and standing could actually compete with the financial juggernauts of Europe but for some odd reason Levy and the board decided to go down a completely alien route they were neither suited or built for.

The football is dire and the politics is tedious, bring me the next Poch please and get us back to what made so many of us proud and happy to be a part of not so long ago, buying potential and developing superstars that play good attractive football the Spurs way.

Assuming the club does take your advice. Who would be your (realistic) choice to replace AC, aside from Poch.

 

[Finchyid]

We've heard rumours of Levy being ousted or being told to step aside for years now and it never happens. His position has never been and will never be in danger imo, he also owns a fair chunk of the club if I remember correctly. I agree he needs to go but he won't.

He owns 29.4.% of ENIC who own 85% of spurs, which you could say is 25% of £2bn company. So I am struggling to see how and why he would go without it getting messy between him and JL

 

[Finchyid]

Eriksen probably. Anyway crying because we can't buy the really top players like the top tier clubs can is a total waste of time because we are in that second tier of clubs globally, this is just a fact that you need to accept. It's highly unlikely we could get players like that (I mean highly sought after top class players) to come here and it's nothing to do with the money. If you don't realise or believe that then you are destined for disappointment and frustration.

It’s all about money…that’s the problem

 

[Jamturk]

Assuming the club does take your advice. Who would be your (realistic) choice to replace AC, aside from Poch.

I don't know, I like Thomas Frank of Brentford.

The Sporting Lisbon guy looks interesting as well.

 

[TPdYID]

I don't know, I like Thomas Frank of Brentford.

The Sporting Lisbon guy looks interesting as well.

He gives me AVB vibes, so for that reason I’m a no….

 

[RuskyM]

Assuming the club does take your advice. Who would be your (realistic) choice to replace AC, aside from Poch.

To throw a couple names out there: Oliver Glasner of Frankfurt, Philippe Clement of Monaco, Thomas Frank of Brentford. There's people who'll know more than me about them but they've all done impressive work. I still think Enrique could be a good shout.

To me they just need to be someone willing to grow the club: we've got one of the oldest squads in the league. Some more youngsters playing, some more attacking football and I'll be happy.

(Fwiw I don't want Conte out, but if he does go, I really don't want another sticking plaster like Tuchel, regardless of how good he is. Something to believe in, please.)

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

For me bringing Mourinho and Conte in was akin to putting lipstick on a pig.

We have no right to expect to win this league or to spend copious amounts of money trying to, I don't know or understand where this entitlement has emanated from and Conte must have known this when he was offered the job.

Now because he has chosen to take the job for whatever reasons supporters are expecting us to behave or operate in a different way. I believe a good blueprint was formed when Pocchettino led us as to how a club in our position and standing could actually compete with the financial juggernauts of Europe but for some odd reason Levy and the board decided to go down a completely alien route they were neither suited or built for.

The football is dire and the politics is tedious, bring me the next Poch please and get us back to what made so many of us proud and happy to be a part of not so long ago, buying potential and developing superstars that play good attractive football the Spurs way.

That model doesn’t work in a world where potential is going for €50+ million for the brightest prospects in world football.

I don’t know why everyone keeps on bringing that up, it’s not 2017 anymore. Football has evolved to a point where you are taking chances on players for €30-40 million that used to cost €10-20 million. So we would end up losing a hell of a lot of money trying to sign the youngsters needed. We don’t have academy prospects coming through to fill in the gaps either.

We would be better off getting a proper scouting team like Dortmund or RB Leipzig, and taking in a bunch of youngsters in the hopes that 11-16 of them are good enough. And that means we no longer get to dine at the top 6 table anymore.

It’s just not befitting a club with the stadium and financials we have. We need to start acting like a big club. We’re on the pot, the board needs to either take a shit or get off. But stop wasting the fans time.

 

[the lad]

I don't know, I like Thomas Frank of Brentford.

The Sporting Lisbon guy looks interesting as well.

Says everything about the club when a replacement for Conte is on the agenda.