Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[rossdapep]

Whats cheaper Mr Levy...

Spending a bit and backing Conte with the players he wants now?
Or
Letting Conte walk, hiring Poch, investing in the youth only to realise that 4 years down the line Poch wants to, and needs to, completely rebuild the team?

 

[allatsea]

Whats cheaper Mr Levy...

Spending a bit and backing Conte with the players he wants now?
Or
Letting Conte walk, hiring Poch, investing in the youth only to realise that 4 years down the line Poch wants to, and needs to, completely rebuild the team?

Poch lost interest in doing his job once with us let's not even consider giving him a second chance to do the same. Stick with Conte !

 

[TPdYID]

Poch lost interest in doing his job once with us let's not even consider giving him a second chance to do the same. Stick with Conte !

Poch had already been found guilty of showing leg first time round, and we hadn’t even won anything. The pre match UCL interview was poorly timed, executed and disrespectful.

Imagine how much of a tease he’d be if we won something? Poch took his eyes off the prize and he paid for it.

No point looking back…

 

[jurgen11]

Poch had already been found guilty of showing leg first time round, and we hadn’t even won anything. The pre match UCL interview was poorly timed, executed and disrespectful.

Imagine how much of a tease he’d be if we won something? Poch took his eyes off the prize and he paid for it.

No point looking back…

He couldn't believe we were in the final , let alone we could win it - the doubt spread through the squad

 

[Trix]

I'm not calling for any sackings just compromise from both sides.

In my opinion I don't think Conte is the correct fit for a club such as ours.

He's exactly the right fit for a club such as ours, just not for Levy imo. We have a world class stadium, a world class training ground and a world class front line, so why should we employ a two bit manager? Conte is a serial winner, we haven't won anything of real note for decades, yet he still came here, why? It wasn't for the money it was because he saw what we did have and believed with the right backing he could win here too. He's not asking for billions he just wants a different profile of player to what Levy wants, and he wants full autonomy of who goes.

I've been a big defender of DL in the past because he always spoke about the infrastructure being the problem and when we had that in place things would change. Well here we are, and it's just more rinse and repeat I'm afraid. The only way we move forward now imo is if Levy steps/is moved aside. He can still be chairman and deal with all the commercial shit(he's excellent at it) but it won't matter who we bring in as head coach if they are constantly held back on the football side of things because the chairman thinks he knows better.

 

[Tucker]

Whats cheaper Mr Levy...

Spending a bit and backing Conte with the players he wants now?
Or
Letting Conte walk, hiring Poch, investing in the youth only to realise that 4 years down the line Poch wants to, and needs to, completely rebuild the team?

It’s not either or though is it.

I imagine Levy has concerns about spending fortunes on players that only fit Conte, have no sell on value, etc when Conte could still decide he wants to bugger off to Juve or whatever.

He should take the risk and back Conte imo, but it’s still a risk.

 

[Trix]

It’s not either or though is it.

I imagine Levy has concerns about spending fortunes on players that only fit Conte, have no sell on value, etc when Conte could still decide he wants to bugger off to Juve or whatever.

He should take the risk and back Conte imo, but it’s still a risk.

So instead he'll buy numerous young players on 5 year contracts that we can't move on because Levy won't take a loss on them, and no manager we employ wants to play them? At least those older players have proved they have what it takes and know how to get the job done. Now of course it isn't that simple and you need a mix of youth and experience but lets not pretend these young players with potential are easier to move on when they don't set the world alight because they aren't. At least the older heads get game time on the bloody pitch.

 

[dudu]

Apologist for sustained failure.

In what way?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I imagine Levy has concerns about spending fortunes on players that only fit Conte, have no sell on value, etc when Conte could still decide he wants to bugger off to Juve or whatever.

Sell on Value of:

Ndombele
Lo Celso
Winks
Rodon

Total: √FuckAll


Better strategy: Buy to win, not sell.

Also - note to Board - if you stop changing managers every 8 months, then you don't have to keep paying multiple managers simultaneously, and you don't have to keep swapping out players to fit new managers.

 

[dudu]

you say that but we have been very close at multiple times from being 2-3 players away from properly challenging

I would argue even now we are a reshaped defence away from challenging

frustrating thing is we’ve never looked to push on when in striking distance

most of us will be here until the bitter end but it’s clear as day that for the owners its about maximising profits over winning trophies regardless of what the other “doped” clubs are doing

The year after we were in the CL final we spent a lot and clearly tried to push on.

 

[dudu]

I swear someone of you lot are addicted to outrage and drama. Especially when there are no matches to play. This world cup period has been really enlightening.

-First we had outrage there was apparently limited money to spend in Jan
-Then outrage that we signed Spence but Conte was never going to play him.
-Then outrage that Southgate carried on playing Kane when he got injured
-Now outrage at Levy (this is obviously always a constant)

I can't wait until the premier league starts again. Fuck all this conjecture.

Completely. It's like a soap opera for some with goodies and baddies to love or hate depending on that weeks storyline.

 

[TPdYID]

He couldn't believe we were in the final , let alone we could win it - the doubt spread through the squad

In high pressure situations, calm heads prevail.

The players needed a strong manager, not another excitable fan.
The rest is history…

 

[dudu]

It’s not really about the transfer fee, it’s about wages and bonuses. That is where we cannot compete. And that is where the financially doped clubs will always beat us hands down. That then translates into titles, which becomes an even more compelling argument.

This is my only sticking point when it comes to 'giving him whatever he wants'.

Is it right for the club, for example, to bring in someone on ridiculous wages and then have to reshape our entire wage structure to accommodate?

 

[danielneeds]

He couldn't believe we were in the final , let alone we could win it - the doubt spread through the squad

Actually there was plenty of noise thet he was convinced that we would win it and he was furious at Levy and the rest of the board who treated the whole occasion as a giant jolly.

 

[Tucker]

So instead he'll buy numerous young players on 5 year contracts that we can't move on because Levy won't take a loss on them, and no manager we employ wants to play them? At least those older players have proved they have what it takes and know how to get the job done. Now of course it isn't that simple and you need a mix of youth and experience but lets not pretend these young players with potential are easier to move on when they don't set the world alight because they aren't. At least the older heads get game time on the bloody pitch.

Absolutely. I was just saying theirs risk involved in either strategy, and things aren’t quite as black and white as the poster I was quoting was suggesting.

 

[Hakkz]

Actually there was plenty of noise thet he was convinced that we would win it and he was furious at Levy and the rest of the board who treated the whole occasion as a giant jolly.

His actions showed differently.

 

[Liamyid28]

Levy is never stepping down or getting pushed aside and he will never ever change when will some people finally get this ??‍

 

[easley91]

Levy is never stepping down or getting pushed aside and he will never ever change when will some people finally get this ??‍

You really think he will be at Tottenham until his dying breath? He'll go sooner or later.

 

[Wig]

But what’s the point of giving Spence a 5 year deal if you have no plans on playing him for the first 3 years.

Arsenal in the same boat with Saliba. They signed him, loaned him out, realised he was the real deal and now are shitting themselves that he’s got 12 months left on his deal.

Surely signing players that the club chosen DoF recommends which aligns with the clubs philosophy is the way forward? DoF signs players that the club see’s fitting their model, and hires a manager who will get the best from these players.

The dog wags the tail.

Everyone gets far too worked up about Spence, when really we should be trusting the judgement of our serial winning manager who sees him every day in training. Spence is a raw prospect from the championship who hasn't even been with us for half a season let alone "3 years", so let's temper our own expectations of the lad.

I'm all for the club/Paratici taking punts on upcoming young talent like Spence, Gil and Sarr, but it's then up to the manager to bring them into the first team when he thinks they are ready. The players need to earn the right to play. Conte isn't being deliberately obtuse in ignoring these talents... Kulusevski is just as young and proved he was ready to play.

In the short time that Conte has been with us we have risen up the league, we're through to the champions league knockouts, and between him and Paratici we have some serious pulling power to bring in the next wave of Bentancur, Kulusevski, Bissouma, Richarlison etc.

I like the direction the club is heading under Conte, and I really like that he wants us to act like a big club and is forcing the hand of Levy and the board to back him. I don't want him to compromise on his demands with Levy - we've had plenty of years of seeing how Levy's compromises have held us back from reaching the top.

 

[MB31spurs]

Sell on Value of:

Ndombele
Lo Celso
Winks
Rodon

Total: √FuckAll


Better strategy: Buy to win, not sell.

Also - note to Board - if you stop changing managers every 8 months, then you don't have to keep paying multiple managers simultaneously, and you don't have to keep swapping out players to fit new managers.

You could get 50m for them I total I reckon …….