Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Spurzinho]

yes Antonio those pesky Villans and Brentford coming at us with their machine guns. We didn’t stand a chance!!

Gordon Bennett, if we'd just got eviscerated by Man $hitty then fair enough - Bazooka indeed. Aston Villa & Brentford though? Bazooka? Don't take the piss Antonio.

 

[Clockspur]

Gordon Bennett, if we'd just got eviscerated by Man $hitty then fair enough - Bazooka indeed. Aston Villa & Brentford though? Bazooka? Don't take the piss Antonio.

Man City who have just taken 1 point from home games against Brentford and Everton

 

[Trotter]

Digne, Konsa and Mings all start for us today.

I’m not 100% sure Ashley Young doesn’t.

He didn’t play today but Matty Cash would Waltz into our starting 11

4 months ago you were predicting we would win the League, now all of a sudden the whole team is rubbish and none of this is Conte’s fault according to you. Really not sure if you are not on a total wind up, have your head so far buried in the sand or what, but seriously you are all over the place

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Right - remember how rough around the edges Kyle Walker was pre Poch - loads of brain farts, caught out of position, dawdled on the ball. Remember how that changed and we sold him to City for £50m - what Poch did there mate was coach Kyle over a period of time to become a better player. Kyle bought into this because he had a permanent contract at Tottenham so he tried really hard because he wanted to keep playing in the first team. It made a difference to the way he played because he became a better player, Tottenham benefitted from this because suddenly he stopped making so many errors (he was never completely cured mind) and contributed more to our play.

Lenglet is on loan, we could coach him to improve him or play in a different way for us - however it might take a long time, like really really long like 12 months, by which time he will have faaacked off back to Barca. Therefore, we’re not going to do that. Therefore, he might play differently to how we would ideally want him to - for instance he might sit deeper than we want him to because he can’t read the game well enough and is afraid of leaving space behind himself - if he was permanent we might coach him to read the game better - this in turn would make a difference to the way he plays, he might play higher up the pitch allowing us to press better.

I can’t explain to you further mate unless there is a crayon function on here I dont know about and even then can we be sure you won’t eat them? - we could probably coach you long term not to eat them…..

Are you drunk? The fact that Lenglet is currently on loan to us rather signed permanently is utterly irrelevant. This season he's a Tottenham player, and he's playing like a pretty useful one. Which is what, I imagine, the club were hoping for when bringing him in.

Btw when does Conte start coaching some of our permanent players to be better? We've got another young English right-back that could probably benefit...

 

[gibbospurs]

The real issue is that Poch bought some of those defenders, Jose bought some, Nuno bought some and Conte has loaned 1. Defence is all about systems, that lack of continuity in style when buying will cripple most teams.

only one bald man to blame for that

Yet apparently we are not looking and cbs this window but a contract extension for 50p head Dier.

 

[Annekcma]

Levy and ENIC have historically failed to support managers sufficiently. The potential mitigating factors have been well discussed at this point. But since the appointment of Mourinho /post stadium opening we have seen a notable increase in our spending each. Granted it won't match the top spenders each year but it should be enough to build a capable squad.

Recruitment has been a shambles for a long long time now. This has compounded the issue of often spending less as the players brought in have all too often been misses. We never built upon the great starting 11 that Poch created and it's been downhill ever since. Paratici should help resolve this, but it will take time given the long list of averageness at the club.

Conte has also not shown why he has such a good reputation as a manager. While nobody expects this squad to compete for titles, it should be doing much better than it currently is. That falls on the manager's shoulders. I've always had the opinion that his personality was the wrong fit for getting us back to being closer to competing as we were a few years ago. The constant negging of the club and players by him is way too much to create the cohesive that clubs with smaller budgets need to compete with the big boys. The problem is then made worse by such a large percentage of support already having problems with the current ownership that they latch on to Conte's criticisms and Conte's short comings then unfortunately often get overlooked.

We need to criticise Levy and ENIC as their time is up. They have grown the club as far as they probably can and it is time for a more football orientated approach. Unfortunately this change is out of fans hands as we have seen for such a long time at Newcastle and Man United despite their fan protests. But lets not let that distract us from Conte's failings and that he has shown no sign that he knows how to fix things on the pitch.

I have no doubt on my mind that it's time to go a different direction. Let's get the new manager in and use this window and the second half of the season to get things in place to hit the ground running next season.

To dare is to do.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Levy and ENIC have historically failed to support managers sufficiently. The potential mitigating factors have been well discussed at this point. But since the appointment of Mourinho /post stadium opening we have seen a notable increase in our spending each. Granted it won't match the top spenders each year but it should be enough to build a capable squad.

Recruitment has been a shambles for a long long time now. This has compounded the issue of often spending less as the players brought in have all too often been misses. We never built upon the great starting 11 that Poch created and it's been downhill ever since. Paratici should help resolve this, but it will take time given the long list of averageness at the club.

Conte has also not shown why he has such a good reputation as a manager. While nobody expects this squad to compete for titles, it should be doing much better than it currently is. That falls on the manager's shoulders. I've always had the opinion that his personality was the wrong fit for getting us back to being closer to competing as we were a few years ago. The constant negging of the club and players by him is way too much to create the cohesive that clubs with smaller budgets need to compete with the big boys. The problem is then made worse by such a large percentage of support already having problems with the current ownership that they latch on to Conte's criticisms and Conte's short comings then unfortunately often get overlooked.

We need to criticise Levy and ENIC as their time is up. They have grown the club as far as they probably can and it is time for a more football orientated approach. Unfortunately this change is out of fans hands as we have seen for such a long time at Newcastle and Man United despite their fan protests. But lets not let that distract us from Conte's failings and that he has shown no sign that he knows how to fix things on the pitch.

I have no doubt on my mind that it's time to go a different direction. Let's get the new manager in and use this window and the second half of the season to get things in place to hit the ground running next season.

To dare is to do.

agree with a lot of your post however if we get an new manager in then again ENIC and Levy escape… and we’ll we having the same discussion in 24 months about “new manager X”….

 

[Annekcma]

agree with a lot of your post however if we get an new manager in then again ENIC and Levy escape… and we’ll we having the same discussion in 24 months about “new manager X”….

Of course we will. But that won't change until there is significant changes in Levy stepping down or new owners buying the club. Both of which is very unlikely from what we can see. But that doesn't excuse Conte from also doing a poor job.

But there's a chance that the new manager can start what Redknapp or Poch were able to start. That way at least we have a chance of getting a positive atmosphere about the club again, maybe seeing good football and having the potential of winning something down the line. At the moment all I can see is the dreaded next 6 months watching of the same failing tactics until eventually either Conte or Spurs calls time on it.

 

[bigfrooj]

I can’t believe people are complaining about the service to the front players and calling for us to sign a creative midfielder. Where on earth do they think a creative midfielder is going to play in this rigid Conte formation and gameplan? Like it or lump it Spurs fans.

 

[Serpico]

Conte can only do so much...I feel we mustn't over think this. We have injuries to key players so have lost our form. . What is being shown atm is a lack of quality across the squad. It will improve overal when players return and on the back of better results, positive momentum will return. We must keep faith.

 

[legion]

I can’t believe people are complaining about the service to the front players and calling for us to sign a creative midfielder. Where on earth do they think a creative midfielder is going to play in this rigid Conte formation and gameplan? Like it or lump it Spurs fans.

Him being forced to play Eriksen at Inter is arguably why he won trophies there

"Lot of Spurs fans hitting the same frustrations I had with Conte when he was at Inter. I'm going to say the same thing I said then... he needs a creative midfielder. Conte was reluctant to do it but when he was forced to play Eriksen b/c of injuries they ran away w/ the title"

 

[bigfrooj]

Him being forced to play Eriksen at Inter is arguably why he won trophies there

"Lot of Spurs fans hitting the same frustrations I had with Conte when he was at Inter. I'm going to say the same thing I said then... he needs a creative midfielder. Conte was reluctant to do it but when he was forced to play Eriksen b/c of injuries they ran away w/ the title"

That’s the problem isn’t it? Inter have two or three serious rivals in their league. We could literally be in the bottom half of the table within a month with the likes of Fulham, Brighton and Brentford playing better than us at the moment - let’s not even talk about the Uniteds, Liverpools and City’s of this world.
Which player in our squad could Conte be forced to play as a creative midfielder anyway? Young Devine? Kuluveski out of position? Lo Celso or Ndombele? We only have Bentancur as a real contender and he is out for the foreseeable. We don’t get linked seriously with creative midfielders anymore either.
I think Conte has been a great coach for many years but I don’t see a solution at Spurs for him. I don’t know anything about anything at the moment.

 

[Griff001]

It's decision time now, there's two viable options but unfortunately they both involve spending money on at least 2 defenders and a creative midfielder.

Either Conte stays, gets the players he wants at what's likely going to be a pretty high level of spending, and the decision is made that Conte is our man and he'll get the team playing winning football (which it's pretty damn far from looking likely currently).

Or, the decision is made that ENIC either aren't willing to do that due to financial restraints, or whether they aren't happy with the style of play, lack of decent performances etc and feel that a change is needed.

The issue there, is that even if they appoint Poch or anyone else, they're still going to need 3 or 4 new players to do their job properly. If you want to change to a 4 at the back system, you still need a new CB to replace Dier, you need a left back, and really we'd still need an upgrade at right back to get any tune out of them. Plus then we'd need a creative midfielder in addition.

So either way, unless money gets spent, the situation seems bleak either way. Personally I'm not sure where I sit with whether we sack Conte or not. I do quite like the idea of a new attacking coach coming in but only if he's given the tools he needs to make his system work. But at the same time, Conte is being completely hamstrung when it comes to the back 5 too, so we're obviously not seeing anywhere near the best of his system.

So I'm on the fence, but it all seems a little bleak.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Just read the Sky Sports’ synopsis on “where are spurs heading under Conte”. It is a bit mad considering we got top 4 last year but did actually spend a total of £170m+ on backing him with new players. Yes we have a few injuries at the moment, but in hindsight, wow, it’s not a good look for Conte given the current slump and the money spent

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Just read the Sky Sports’ synopsis on “where are spurs heading under Conte”. It is a bit mad considering we got top 4 last year but did actually spend a total of £170m+ on backing him with new players. Yes we have a few injuries at the moment, but in hindsight, wow, it’s not a good look for Conte given the current slump and the money spe

£60 million of that was spent on a single player of decent quality, Richarlison.

I don’t know why everyone takes the total value of the transfer and acts like that’s “backing” the manager when it was spread across one or two decent players and £100 million on punts.

Our rivals are spending £50,60 million on single upgrades that are actually good enough to improve their squads and some of these teams are still below us in the league.

If Conte walks he will be well within his rights to do so. The club knew what was needed, and sold both us and Conte a dream. They couldn’t give a fuck about anything else other than profit.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

This is the squad some people think Conte is having to play with

 

[allatsea]

Levy is never slow to pull the trigger so I fear for Conte if we lose on Wednesday.

 

[Pochemon94]

Levy is never slow to pull the trigger so I fear for Conte if we lose on Wednesday.

I don't think he'd fire him, it would go down so poorly with the fans. He will wait for Conte to walk. Not only would he save the money from not firing him but also save himself by having articles leak about how difficult conte was behind the scenes and wouldn't take the transfers we brought in and such. Bring in Poche and the supporters won't be so quick to go after his head

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

This is the squad some people think Conte is having to play with

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And this is the team you think we have

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

And this is the team you think we have

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No I don’t. Just a better team than teams we have been losing to