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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

snakehipsspurs

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Dakes

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I think you're missing the point.

The club do not want to sign the players CONTE wants because they don't know if he is going to be here after the Summer.

The players Conte wants do not align with the Club philosophy.

There is no point in signing players in line with the Club vision as Conte does not want them and they will probably not be played like Djed Spence.
Hahaha ? I'm sorry mate, but the club don't want to sign players that don't align with the CLUB'S PHILOSOPHY? The very same club that hired the manager who wants those players? WTF? So the club were under the impression the manager coming in was going to change the kind of signings he's ALWAYS made.

This is just ridiculous.

As has been said, if the club has a philosophy, they would bring in managers aligned with that, and would bring in the players that manager wants, cause, even if that manager leaves, the philosophy hasn't left, right? So those signings are fine for the next manager.

You've just acknowledged the screw up of Levy whilst trying to defend his position.

I never thought I'd ever use the 'WTF' rating but that post pushed me over the edge.
 

For the love of Spurs

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What is the club philosophy?

pound shop Chelsea or Posh West Ham is our philosophy.

Jumping from manager to manager all with different styles, buying and selling without a clear plan just doing it based on what’s available or convenient at the time.

Chelsea works doing this because if you buy lots at the top end of the market it gets you over the line.
 

RobjDerby

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Really dont believe anything that Conte has said is that inflamatory at all.
But no doubt the agrigators will snip and share for clicks.
If you want to see War, looks at what he said at the end at Inter!

(and after actually lISTENING & WATCHING him say it, its all very reasonable).
He speaks about his words being manipulated too. Language barrier is def an issue IMO too.
 
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Timberwolf

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Desperation.
Yup. We got ourselves into (another) a big old mess in the summer of 21 and needed to a manager like Conte to come in and save the day.

At the time it actually made a lot of sense and he did exactly what we hoped of him last season. Probably the best manager we could've feasibly hoped for to win Kane back on side and get us into the top 4.

But when you're bringing in managers through desperation rather than some kind of long term strategy or coherent vision you end up with the mess we're in now. If we'd made a sensible managerial appointment back in 21 - Ten Hag for example - we could've avoided all of this.
 

Jamturk

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Hahaha ? I'm sorry mate, but the club don't want to sign players that align with the CLUB'S PHILOSOPHY? The very same club that hired the manager who wants those players? WTF? So the club were under the impression the manager coming in was going to change the kind of signings he's ALWAYS made.

This is just ridiculous.

As has been said, if the club has a philosophy, they would bring in managers aligned with that, and would bring in the players that manager wants, cause, even if that manager leaves, the philosophy hasn't left right? So those signings are fine for the next manager.

You've just acknowledged the screw up of Levy whilst trying to defend his position.

I never thought I'd ever use the 'WTF' rating but that post pushed me over the edge.

I agree, I'm not happy with some of the decisions the club have taken in the last few years including the hiring of Jose, Nuno and Conte.
 

SirNiNyHotspur

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Shots fired.

Basically saying manager is fall guy, who'd have thunk it?

Need a revolt, we know what is coming, same tune over and over.

Stadium game changer my ass, still looking opportune signings, no ambition, no backing, CL on a budget r us.

Levy/ENIC unashamedly take us for mugs, enough is enough, no more excuses, can't keep letting them off the hook, nothing changing with this lot, you can dilude yourself otherwise but won't change the reality.
 

chrissivad

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I think it would be a great idea for someone else from the club to be out there with him. Even if it's Paratici or one of his team.
 

Stavrogin

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Levy should be absolutely embarrassed with himself, he really should be.

Think about this.

He hired AVB, a coach who has won titles everywhere else apart from Chelsea and it ended dreadfully.

He fired Poch who was our best modern coach and the kind of coach you allow for big changes (see Liverpool and Klopp). Other fans couldn't get their heads around that one.

He hired and fired Jose within 18 months and before a final too..A coach who has won titles everywhere and even won one the following season after his stint with us. Roma fans love him too.

He hires and is likely to let Conte walk because he won't back him. Again a coach who has won everywhere he's been. And will continue to do so.

These coaches aren't duds. They are not Tim Sherwood or Nuno. They have good reputations or are serial winners.

And the utterly bizarre thing , regarding Jose and Conte, when Levy realised winning actually cost a bit, he is prepared to ditch that approach despite it being the reason he hired them!

By the same token, Poch was hired because he was an exciting young coach who could work with young talents, yet when these talents got older, instead of sticking to that plan/strategy and replacing them with younger talent, ya know the strategy Levy has always preferred, he ditches the coach for a totally differnt one but not necessarily the strategy that was working??

It's all absolutely baffling when you really analyse it.

I mean, I know every decision was based on $$$ but even then it doesn't make sense??

I'm not sure it's that baffling. Partly because your analysis is a little off in places.

You can look at things differently. For example, Levy has always had long term strategies to maximise our resources but he has been prepared to move quickly and drastically to remedy things when they go awry.

Viz.
-He 'pioneered' the DOF in english football.
-His DOF was stolen.
-Appointed Commoli and Ramos which makes sense they just didn't work out.
-Appoints the short term fix Redknapp to steady the ship and extract value out of massive talent they had accumulated
- Reverts back to the more progressive european manager in AVB but he was just not up to it
- Continues in same vein with Sherwood and Pochettino - proves successful in utelising academy investment and our transfer investment after the Bale sale.
- When Pochettino falters he goes for an instant fix, the experienced successful Mourinho to capitalize on what was apparently a very talented group of players
-When Mourinho fails he goes for a mendes plant in lieu of other options but perhaps because we needed rapid recruitment
-When that fails he goes quickly for another experienced successful coach so as not to waste the Kane years

So everything he's done is logical from a certain perspective. Mourinho was not meant to build a new team but turn the current squad into more effective, mentality monsters - which didn't really happen but it makes sense.

I think his problems are more that whilst he thinks ahead of the curve he doesn't always have the instincts to match it. He can't really see what the trends are in english football. Or that certain charcters are past it in one way or another, like AVB or Mourinho.

But the thing is, as much as we can criticize Levy, no other club matched our rise over the last couple of decades without massive dubious investment. So he has some reason to feel confident in his abilities and that his twitchy approach towards protecting our investments has some merit.

Personally I think we're in a transition period for Levy. We will need to move towards spending a higher % on wages and fees. I can understand why that could be a hard concept to embrace as we were quite successful as a lithe, lean vehicle.
 

Pekoni

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Shots fired.

But he's once again not lying. That's why I found some criticism of Paratici being "in hiding" so baffling. No club in PL has their DOF do any interviews or such regularly. In Serie A they do. Shall we be the frontrunners and bring this custom to the PL too?
 
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