Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[SpursJord]

It's the ability to pay wages that gives you advantage, not the fanciest training facilities and if it was merely about trophies, most teams in the world would have to throw in the towel.

The infrastructure was supposed to be a game changer especially financially. Since it all got built we have gone backwards and it isn't just because of COVID.

 

[FinnYid]

HA.......WHAT??

1) PL is tougher league than Serie A nowadays
2) We don't have monetary resources to compete with Manchester teams, Chelsea or Pool. We might outsmart them and finish above, but as things stand, we are way behind financially.

You think one or both of those isn't true?

 

[freeeki]

It’s shocking how far we have fallen. The recruitment has been so bad Par bentancour and kulu, and the manager choice also. We could have had ten hag and been onto build something, but we went with nuno. The reason why arsenal are flying is because they kept the squad fresh and updated. We are still playing Dier, Davies, Lloris and Sessegnon first team. Blame solely lies at the feet of the bald one.

Christ I’d really brushed over the club going for Nuno instead of Ten Hag.

Fucking hell.

 

[FinnYid]

The infrastructure was supposed to be a game changer especially financially. Since it all got built we have gone backwards and it isn't just because of COVID.

Well, we would be quite much worse if not the new stadium?

 

[Galactico14]

Best stadium and training facilities by a country mile in the PL, and you’re saying we can’t compete with the big boys? Might as well throw in the towel now with that attitude.

Forget money, we are not in the same level of pulling power these clubs have .. “look at Chelsea they get it done” how many times do I read that on here .. yer cos players want to go there! Same with Liverpool.. city , utd.. it’s easy for manager to say go get me X Y Z .. but if they don’t want to come?? We are still a second tier club in terms of the big big clubs trying to sign big big players for a big big manager and getting told No thanks! By the way Arsenal have just experienced exact same thing with Mudryk.. I’d that was spurs you’d be hammering Levy now! But apparently Arsenal’s board have got it spot on this season?

 

[SpursJord]

It’s shocking how far we have fallen. The recruitment has been so bad Par bentancour and kulu, and the manager choice also. We could have had ten hag and been onto build something, but we went with nuno. The reason why arsenal are flying is because they kept the squad fresh and updated. We are still playing Dier, Davies, Lloris and Sessegnon first team. Blame solely lies at the feet of the bald one.

Come on Ollie do you really think Erik ten Hag coming to Spurs was going to change anything. He walked into Man United looked at that team and said right, We need Antony, Martinez and Casemiro, go get them for me. £200 million or close to right there, DL was never going to do that. We'd have got Traore, Coady and players like this.

 

[Yiddo100]

It’s not that we can’t compete with the big boys, in fact I’m absolutely sure we can. It’s that the people at the very top choose not to.

 

[only1waddle]

Come on Ollie do you really think Erik ten Hag coming to Spurs was going to change anything. He walked into Man United looked at that team and said right, We need Antony, Martinez and Casemiro, go get them for me. £200 million or close to right there, DL was never going to do that. We'd have got Traore, Coady and players like this.

Agreed, we lack technical players, he'd need just as big a rebuild.

 

[SpursJord]

Well, we would be quite much worse if not the new stadium?

How much worse off can we really have been? What have you seen change since the Stadium has been here? They had to inject cash into the club in the summer so lets not pretend the Stadium and revenue is covering everything. They have used the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to build a property portfolio, for example they used Stadium money to build flats, when they get sold where does the profit go? Back to Levy and ENIC, this Stadium further enhances their ability to build their property investments with out sacrificing a penny.

Not only this the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is a subsidiary under 'Tottenham Hotspur Limited' so technically if we were to sell the club any buyers would need to negotiate for the stadium separately if I am correct. Otherwise they could keep it and charge us Rent to use it.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

1) PL is tougher league than Serie A nowadays
2) We don't have monetary resources to compete with Manchester teams, Chelsea or Pool. We might outsmart them and finish above, but as things stand, we are way behind financially.

You think one or both of those isn't true?

We can compete with Liverpool. We have similar turnover. This Chelsea splurge won’t last for ever. Abramovich was happy to lose over a billion. These yanks are there to make money.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Best stadium and training facilities by a country mile in the PL, and you’re saying we can’t compete with the big boys? Might as well throw in the towel now with that attitude.

I think ENIC all ready have. Certainly in the last 5 years.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Best stadium and training facilities by a country mile in the PL, and you’re saying we can’t compete with the big boys? Might as well throw in the towel now with that attitude.

Please stop quoting the stadium and training ground. The training ground is 10 yrs old. Liverpool and Leicester have both built new training grounds in last 3 years. Having a good effect on them I see.
most of the best players still come from South America. Bet they all had wonderful training grounds.???

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

So Levy does not want to spend money! The why appoint a high profile manager like Mourinho and Conte who immediately raise expectation and therefor put more pressure on them to spend!

Doesn’t make any sense!

Probably at the time done to get us to forget about Nuno. He treats the fan like an abusive dog owner, slaps the dog, after gives him a treat, repeat, some dogs are more intelligent than others….

So we get a coach who can play ten systems. Would that make you happy?

Because one system, three systems or ten systems, name me a coach Levy can hire who will take how this club is run, work under Levy and the conditions thereof and produce a winning team. This club takes fucking good managers, ruins their reputations or records and spits them out again.

And whoever the next patsy is, the net result will be exactly the same only the complaint about that coach will be a different one and tailored to suit and we'll want another one out.

And once more, Levy will be put in his cot and allowed to sleep an undisturbed and happy sleep, this club needs a reset from top to bottom and until that happens all this manager stuff? I just can't see what's going to change. This one, the next one or the one after.

I'm going to actively and fucking ferociously want the next manager out as soon as he arrives. Fuck it, why waste time

Think I’ll copy and paste this put it as my standard reply for the shit I keep reading, thankfully the minority that need this reply is dwindling so maybe won’t need by the time we’re 30 managers, 2 league cups and 40 years into the project…

 

[FinnYid]

We can compete with Liverpool. We have similar turnover. This Chelsea splurge won’t last for ever. Abramovich was happy to lose over a billion. These yanks are there to make money.

Chelsea is bit of an question mark, but Liverpool have had some 35% higher turnover on last couple of seasons

 

[FinnYid]

How much worse off can we really have been?

Compare matchday revenue at White Hart Lane to matchday revenue now, that much worse?

(Well, in reality bit more complicated)

 

[Galactico14]

Lets be honest here and even a tiny bit of research will tell you that Arsenal have spent the most money over the 3 previous transfer windows before the current one. So, not only on Par they had been outspending them to recruit players.



Why do you think Conte is behaving like this? Because, like we know he is finding out that players Tottenham sign will be the best ones for the price/deal DL can acquire not the best ones for what the team needs. DL wants any manager he employs to get the best out of what we have, they want Dier, Davies and Sanchez signed to new contracts last time I heard because Daniel Levy believes they are good enough for us.

Why do you Mourinho done a similar thing? See above.

Why do you think Pochettino said after the CL that had we won it he would have probably left? Because he knew DL wasn't going to sanction a proper rebuild, it is okay to say but we signed Lo Celso and Ndombele but did anyone even do any due diligence on them? Backing a manager means many things especially during a rebuild. Players need to be moved on and replaced with better players, players that fit the system, have the right attitude and most of all ones that are not being signed to fulfil DL needs of a good deal that could return them a sizeable transfer fee.

I seriously believe in the next 6 months if QSI don't manage to get Tottenham, things are about to get a whole load worse and nobody can see it but it will happen. Guys, seriously strap yourselves in and prepare this could just be the start.

So to be clear if Levy doesn’t sign players (Ndombele lo Celso)for big money he’s wrong but if he does and they turn out shit he wrong !
Where you furious when levy signed modric, Toby, eriksen, bale, Defoe, Carrick, Robinson, Lennon, dele… all of who where not at the top of their game when we took a chance on them cos they Were cheap/club relegated/ young etc or does that not suit the agenda?

and perhaps read comments from Jose and conte regarding dier, who both praised him to understand why there was talk of new contract.

 

[the yid]

I thought Di Marzio was Paraticis pal, also if this has come from Conte I think it's another kick up the arse BUT I think it's come from Paratici due to the comments about Spurs not happy with his comments

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Conte has his system, same as Pep. You either build for that or don’t hire him, most goals we concede these days seem to be from individual errors. Conte might not be suitable for us but he does suit an elite football club, which we where supposed to be.

Difference is pep’s system is solid. He can play with an ake or 18 year old and it doesn’t change much

 

[SpursJord]

So to be clear if Levy doesn’t sign players (Ndombele lo Celso)for big money he’s wrong but if he does and they turn out shit he wrong !
Where you furious when levy signed modric, Toby, eriksen, bale, Defoe, Carrick, Robinson, Lennon, dele… all of who where not at the top of their game when we took a chance on them cos they Were cheap/club relegated/ young etc or does that not suit the agenda?

and perhaps read comments from Jose and conte regarding dier, who both praised him to understand why there was talk of new contract.

Is this not the exact thing I posted? They were signed by DL because they were good value opportunistic buys that could earn back a good transfer fee.

Paid for them 91,950,000 (Euros) Sold them for 225,990,000 (Euros) Even without the Bale profit we were already up over 30 million Euros on these that includes buying and selling Defoe twice and buying Alli and giving him away.

Now, look at this part of my post. It isn't about him being wrong for paying big money if they turn out to be shit. They never really worked here or really in Ndombeles case anywhere. This is a scenario where he has spent big money and refused to take a loss and has made it clear to Mourinho and Nuno to try and make it work. Changed under Antonio.

it is okay to say but we signed Lo Celso and Ndombele but did anyone even do any due diligence on them? Backing a manager means many things especially during a rebuild. Players need to be moved on and replaced with better players, players that fit the system, have the right attitude and most of all ones that are not being signed to fulfil DL needs of a good deal that could return them a sizeable transfer fee.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

The Italian league isn’t anywhere near the same as the PL. ENIC cannot compete with the PLs big boys. Why does this seem to escape so many of our fans?

People that disagree with this are deluded. It’s not even comparable