Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[spursfan77]

Didn’t we hear that we’d offered him and extension and he put the talks on hold I thought

This was when he joined not subsequently

 

[spursfan77]

If we were going to sack him before the end of the season now is the only point doing that makes sense. We have two weeks of International games which would give whoever came in a bit of time to work.

If he lasts the break then one could well assume Levy is 100% committed to letting him see out his contract. Or considering we have had ITK that the board have supposedly decided on their top target there is also the chance he may not be available until summer and the board consider Mason too big of a risk for an extended period.

Of course I say all that but I’d also not be surprised if we lost our first game after the break and Levy fired him then. Ether way I don’t really see the point in criticising Conte anymore, everyone knows he’s off, players, board, press.. at this point it just feels like waisted energy.

Knowing us we’ll keep him for two weeks, lose to Everton and sack him the next day leaving the new bloke zero time to sort things out!

In fact, that’s exactly what we’ll do. Can see out coming a mile off.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Not sure how you can call your employer penny pinching when he’s paying you £15m a year …

Maybe he's paying him 15m a year to get the best out of an average bunch and save himself far more than the 15m, which is a drop in the ocean these days.

We've been here before, all these coaches can't be wrong.

Conte is not good enough to get another tune out of this lot, last year we got lucky with top 4 as Arteta imploded.

 

[carpediem991]

You know what really pisses me off? People's inability to understand that you can believe in two statements that in part oppose each other. Does my fucking head in. You can be in support of Conte's comments AND want him gone at the same time....

For me the hypocricy of These comments is standing out. If the penalty incident would not have happened and we won the game Conte would go on how tremendous we defended the lead and that we are on a good way.

The whole Interview incident, With surely Lots of truth in it, just happened because Conte once again fucked it up tactically because we thought it is best to go in a shell against last place Saints. That is on him...

 

[WeGotLedley]

Why did Spurs 'go into their shell' against Saints?

Match of the Day pundits Ashley Williams and Dion Dublin discuss the reasons why Tottenham let a 3-1 lead slip away against Southampton.

www.bbc.co.uk

That even the tactical genius that is dion fucking Dublin can point out that dropping to a 451 at 3-1 vs the bottom team in the league (who, subbed both CBs in 1st half..) is insanely negative boils my blood.

 

[spurs-r-us]

No it doesn’t, because Arsenal have outspent us 2 seasons running - £500m over 2 summers and prepared to drop a further £100m this winter despite not kicking a CL football for 6 years.

I accept we have a more limited budget - why oh why then, if we had £110m available after finalising then Romero deal did we spend £40m on a “club signing” and a guy who had to remain on loan for the rest of the season.

Conte was essentially given £75m this summer - Man United spent £80m on one shit player alone

Huh? Your maths is way, way off. All below sums according to Transfermarkt.

Arsenal have spent £320m over the past four windows (summer and winter, so two seasons total). We have spent £230m in that same time period; £275m if you include the Porro fee that will be paid this summer.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

Yes, I was banging on about this last night. That presser was purely directed at the players, not Levy.

He might be frustrated with Levy too and desperate to call him out, but he didn’t in that interview last night.

The problem with that is that he is talking about twenty years.

How many players who were in the team twenty years ago are still playing for Tottenham now? Ten years? Even five years ago. There are very few left. That's the problem with talking about "the players". It's like talking about "the Working Class", "The Tories", "The Blacks", "The Muslims", "The Jews", the "Gooners", "The LGBTQ+ community". It's just bigotry: lumping a wholly disparate group together, merely because they have one thing in common and can be classified together in one lazy way.

Antonio Conte had a bigoted rant last night, blaming everyone but himself, including Levy, otherwise why mention "the club" and specify (wrongly) no trophies for twenty years?

It needs to be pointed out that he had also had a long rant at the officials at the end of the game. Their fault too? Or was he just moaning how bad his team had been?

 

[Gbspurs]

That’s not enough for some fans…. They just trot out the same old crap about Levy / the Club being penny pinching etc regardless of how much we spend.

likely the same fans who whinge about the stadium debt….

The problem with our spending is that its not targeted. What had stopped us doing as Liverpool did and address their 2 biggest weaknesses by breaking transfer records to get the best players. The answer is Levy. He would rather spend 20m on 5 players than 100m on 1.

Under Poch that could have been 2 players but now we have let it slip so far we probably need 5! This is the reason the spending has increased so much.

If old tight wad had just released the funds when we only needed a few we could have saved ourselves alot of money!!

 

[Clockspur]

Disagree massively regarding Skipp and also Davies, who has been pretty good for us in recent games and was out injured yesterday - if he’d been playing I reckon we’d have won, rather than having Perisic on wing.

Dier is rubbish though.

Davies has been a good servant and I certainly feel has been a good signing overall. It’s just, he is one of those players that is 7.5/10 every week. Which is fine but you don’t really trust him up against Salah for instance or the better wife forwards as he is just a bit limited.

Skipp - I don’t get the fuss, Harry Winks Mark 2 for me, rarely scores, rarely assists, mostly plays safe passes, better tackler - the easiest style of player for academies to produce these days seemingly. Ryan Mason was the other before Winks.

Dier - if he is starting next season then we have no chance, the guy should be wheeled out for Europa group games after we have already won the group - that’s al I would trust him with.

 

[carpediem991]

Huh? Your maths is way, way off. All below sums according to Transfermarkt.

Arsenal have spent £320m over the past four windows (summer and winter, so two seasons total). We have spent £230m in that same time period; £275m if you include the Porro fee that will be paid this summer.

Doubt Kulusevski is in there yet, so we come very close.

 

[Yiddo100]

We go again

 

[spurs-r-us]

The problem with our spending is that its not targeted. What had stopped us doing as Liverpool did and address their 2 biggest weaknesses by breaking transfer records to get the best players. The answer is Levy. He would rather spend 20m on 5 players than 100m on 1.

Under Poch that could have been 2 players but now we have let it slip so far we probably need 5! This is the reason the spending has increased so much.

If old tight wad had just released the funds when we only needed a few we could have saved ourselves alot of money!!

Levy signed Pochettino two very expensive players. He did so 18 months later than he would have had he been cannier. I'm more than happy, even as someone who isn't #LevyOut (nor am I #LevyIn) that he penny pinched towards the end the Poch era and cost us dearly. Both are on loan and could well end up leaving on frees. I agree our recruitment is not targeted, but you undermine your argument by saying Levy doesn't spend big on individual players. Since Poch, he has spent plenty.

60 on Ndombele, 40 on Lo Celso, 42 on Sanchez, 60 on Richarlison, 50 on Porro, 50 on Romero

 

[WeGotLedley]

The problem with our spending is that its not targeted. What had stopped us doing as Liverpool did and address their 2 biggest weaknesses by breaking transfer records to get the best players. The answer is Levy. He would rather spend 20m on 5 players than 100m on 1.

Under Poch that could have been 2 players but now we have let it slip so far we probably need 5! This is the reason the spending has increased so much.

If old tight wad had just released the funds when we only needed a few we could have saved ourselves alot of money!!

And, had setup a proper scouting network and system so when we do break the record it's not on ndombele..

 

[spurs-r-us]

Doubt Kulusevski is in there yet, so we come very close.

Correct, didn't even spot that. Kulusevski is in there for about 1/4 of his eventual fee nominated as a loan fee.

 

[C-oops]

He's 100% calling out the players . But at 15m a season and with years of experience you'd think he'd be able to either sort out the players who aren't up to it or sack off the players he's slating and whip some of the youngsters and back up players into shape. Persisting with a system that has been found out and players he thinks are so shit they warrant a public bashing and not doing anything visibly to remedy the situation is contemptible. Passing all the blame onto others when he's not performing himself is pathetic. Plenty of managers would get more out of this team. It would take a lot to convince me that his boring , sit deep, behind the ball tactics hasn't lost the players. Bored them stupid with it all...

 

[Albertbarich]

We go again

Wow.

The usual strong proactive leadership from the board I see. Wankers.

 

[cjbyid]

We go again

Not surprising. He could say alot worse and levy still wouldn't do anything.

He's here until the summer.

 

[Tucker]

The problem with that is that he is talking about twenty years.

How many players who were in the team twenty years ago are still playing for Tottenham now? Ten years? Even five years ago. There are very few left. That's the problem with talking about "the players". It's like talking about "the Working Class", "The Tories", "The Blacks", "The Muslims", "The Jews", the "Gooners", "The LGBTQ+ community". It's just bigotry: lumping a wholly disparate group together, merely because they have one thing in common and can be classified together in one lazy way.

Antonio Conte had a bigoted rant last night, blaming everyone but himself, including Levy, otherwise why mention "the club" and specify (wrongly) no trophies for twenty years?

It needs to be pointed out that he had also had a long rant at the officials at the end of the game. Their fault too? Or was he just moaning how bad his team had been?

It’s a bit of a stretch to call him a bigot.

It was a petulant rant. Let’s not build it up into something it isn’t.

 

[chavkev]

Conte for me is just a symbol of how we have forgotten who we are. We can't compete with Man Utd, Man CIty, Chelsea financially, so we need to do things smarter. Right now we have the highest wage bill in the club's existence and it's allocated terribly. It's time to regroup and accept that UCL is going to be intermittent and not focus on it to the exclusion of forward planning.

Levy is hugely at fault overall as we think so short term. We need a squad full of players who are on their way up in the world. That is going to take a lot of work and a lot of transfer and wage write downs.

 

[Clockspur]

The task list for the next manager:

Returning loan army - Winks, Ndombele, Reggie, Rodon, Lo Celso, Gil, Spence - decide who stays and who goes…… out on loan again until the end of their contract.

Kane - might be sold in the summer

Hugo - needs replacing

CB options when Lenglet returns: Dier, Sanchez, Romero, Tanganga - absolute poverty

5 left backs though - Davies, Perisic, Sess, Reggie, Udogie

3 Right backs - Porro, Royal, Spence

5 CM’s that do exactly the same thing - Winks, Skipp, Bentancur, PEH, Bissouma

Attacking options if Kane goes - A wide forward that doesn’t score (Richy) a wide forward that has forgotten how to play football (Son) a wide forward that Gary Mabbutt could still out pace (Kulu) and a wide forward that one scored a hat trick in Amsterdam.

Next season looks very very bleak regardless of who the manager is. We will be massively reliant on our absolute weapons to get the summer transfer window right - I confidently predict we won’t and will be sat 8/9th this time next year reminiscing about that time when we were all angry as we languished in 4th place.