FA Cup 13th/14th Feb

[Bill_Oddie]

Jamie is starting to look like a proper footballer, he seems to have very good technique which I think is much more important than Jenas' athleticism but lack of genuine technique IMO.

Unfortunately I doubt that he will still be our player next season, something which I would question Redknapp over.

Why? It's got naff all to do with Redknapp. He can't kidnap the bloke.

O'Hara doesn't want to sit on our bench. He wants to be first choice, even if that means leaving Tottenham. If you'd play him in 50 games a season then fair dos but I wouldn't and Redknapp wouldn't so let the bloke get on with his football. And that means elsewhere than WHL.

 

[mike_l]

Why? It's got naff all to do with Redknapp. He can't kidnap the bloke.

O'Hara doesn't want to sit on our bench. He wants to be first choice, even if that means leaving Tottenham. If you'd play him in 50 games a season then fair dos but I wouldn't and Redknapp wouldn't so let the bloke get on with his football. And that means elsewhere than WHL.

Well Redknapp made the choice to hold onto Jenas and let O'Hara leave on loan, I doubt Jenas is all that happy with his game time this season but he belongs to the club and it's the managers choice.

I'm not usually one to criticise Redknapp, but I think he made the wrong choice there. Even more so as we only have 3 proper cm's at the club now.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Well Redknapp made the choice to hold onto Jenas and let O'Hara leave on loan, I doubt Jenas is all that happy with his game time this season but he belongs to the club and it's the managers choice.

I'm not usually one to criticise Redknapp, but I think he made the wrong choice there. Even more so as we only have 3 proper cm's at the club now.

No, think of it as Redknapp making the choice between Palacios and O'Hara.

Jamie wouldn't be happy getting as few minutes as Jenas. He has said so. He wants regular starts. Jenas isn't starting regularly so that comparison isn't valid.

I would love it if the kid were here but he has said for years he wants elsewhere, so the choice isn't Redknapp's at all. It's Jamie's.

 

[haxman]

Reading score after 30 seconds or so! Quality. Bad mistake from West Brom though.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Wow. That goal was so quick half the crowd hadn't even taken their seats yet...

...what do you mean "that is the full attendance" :|

 

[mike_l]

No, think of it as Redknapp making the choice between Palacios and O'Hara.

Jamie wouldn't be happy getting as few minutes as Jenas. He has said so. He wants regular starts. Jenas isn't starting regularly so that comparison isn't valid.

I would love it if the kid were here but he has said for years he wants elsewhere, so the choice isn't Redknapp's at all. It's Jamie's.

Your misunderstanding me, I'm not saying I want O'Hara in our first team. I think he would be much more adequate backup for our starting pair than Jenas provides. As a result I think he would get more minutes as backup than Jenas is currently, probably in the away games in place of Hudd, as well as being much more capable of stepping into Palacios' shoes.

Maybe Redknapp will change his mind and bring O'Hara back and either demote Jenas further or let him go, who knows? My point is I think our squad would be better off with O'Hara in it than Jenas, but I don't think Redknapp will do that. If he does I will be happy to have been wrong.

Our situation is daft anyway to be having this discussion, we should have 4 cm's I think, those that aren't happy should focus on improving and earning a place.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Your misunderstanding me, I'm not saying I want O'Hara in our first team. I think he would be much more adequate backup for our starting pair than Jenas provides. As a result I think he would get more minutes as backup than Jenas is currently, probably in the away games in place of Hudd, as well as being much more capable of stepping into Palacios' shoes.

Maybe Redknapp will change his mind and bring O'Hara back and either demote Jenas further or let him go, who knows? My point is I think our squad would be better off with O'Hara in it than Jenas, but I don't think Redknapp will do that. If he does I will be happy to have been wrong.

Our situation is daft anyway to be having this discussion, we should have 4 cm's I think, those that aren't happy should focus on improving and earning a place.

No.

You're misunderstanding reality.

Jamie O'Hara does not want to play for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

This is because he knows he won't get enough football matches. He cares about himself as he has every right to do. The only way he would want to play for Spurs is if he were rated by Redknapp as better than either Palacios or Huddlestone. He isn't - perhaps rightly or wrongly - and he knows this. Hence he has asked to move on and Redknapp knows he can't stand in his way.

The situation is what it is. We could speculate that he does enough in his loan to return as Redknapp's first choice central midfielder but he is not going to perform as the 'squad player' so many on here just assume he should be without question. I'm not messing here. He's said it millions of times. He wants more games than we can give him. Therefore he doesn't want to be here. Therefore he isn't. Given our mediocrity in the middle at the moment, it's sad but it's true.

 

[haxman]

1-1, boiling up nicely this Reading game.

Almost 2-1 to West Brom just there!

 

[mike_l]

No.

You're misunderstanding reality.

Jamie O'Hara does not want to play for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

This is because he knows he won't get enough football matches. He cares about himself as he has every right to do. The only way he would want to play for Spurs is if he were rated by Redknapp as better than either Palacios or Huddlestone. He isn't - perhaps rightly or wrongly - and he knows this. Hence he has asked to move on and Redknapp knows he can't stand in his way.

The situation is what it is. We could speculate that he does enough in his loan to return as Redknapp's first choice central midfielder but he is not going to perform as the 'squad player' so many on here just assume he should be without question. I'm not messing here. He's said it millions of times. He wants more games than we can give him. Therefore he doesn't want to be here. Therefore he isn't. Given our mediocrity in the middle at the moment, it's sad but it's true.

Unless I'm mis-reading your tone here maybe you should jump down of that high horse and understand the reality that Jamie O'Hara is an asset owned by THFC, exactly the same as Jenas, a player of greater experience, cost and reputation, who we currently have sitting on our bench most weeks which I'm pretty sure he is not going to be happy about.

Redknapp made the decision to do that I hope because he felt Jenas was the better option to have, if he did it based on not wanting to upset a player then he is not the guy that I want managing the side.

I don't see how you are even debating whether O'Hara wants to play for us or not, it's irrelevant. Do you think Pav wants to? Do you think Bentley is happy to have spent almost a year and a half doing sweet FA? I doubt it in either case and yet they are, becasue we own them and are nto obliged to let them go just to accommodate them.

If you disagree with me that our squad would be better served with O'Hara in it then fine, it's just my opinion.

Ideally, given that Redknapp is proven to be willing to have disgruntled players in the squad as backup, he has seen that O'Hara needs to play to be able to develop and come back to us a better player, but that remains to be seen.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Unless I'm mis-reading your tone here maybe you should jump down of that high horse and understand the reality that Jamie O'Hara is an asset owned by THFC, exactly the same as Jenas, a player of greater experience, cost and reputation, who we currently have sitting on our bench most weeks which I'm pretty sure he is not going to be happy about.

Redknapp made the decision to do that I hope because he felt Jenas was the better option to have, if he did it based on not wanting to upset a player then he is not the guy that I want managing the side.

I don't see how you are even debating whether O'Hara wants to play for us or not, it's irrelevant. Do you think Pav wants to? Do you think Bentley is happy to have spent almost a year and a half doing sweet FA? I doubt it in either case and yet they are, becasue we own them and are nto obliged to let them go just to accommodate them.

If you disagree with me that our squad would be better served with O'Hara in it then fine, it's just my opinion.

Ideally, given that Redknapp is proven to be willing to have disgruntled players in the squad as backup, he has seen that O'Hara needs to play to be able to develop and come back to us a better player, but that remains to be seen.

Mate, no offence. I'm sorry if that's what you think. You're a far, far more intelligent individual and better poster than them but the mong hordes of Spurs Chat are out and my patience is at its limit with this 'Jamie as a squad player' thing. It's been like this for months and it seems the majority of our 'fans' have not taken any notice when one of our players announce through multiple media outlets multiple times that he no longer wants to play for us.

Berbatov is a pariah when he by-and-large kept his counsel when feeling the same way but that's a different argument for another day.

I don't see it as Redknapp not wanting to upset the player. Partly it is to ensure the balance of the dressing room and partly to just do right by the player.

The critical thing we have to remember is that had we held onto O'Hara we would not have the player you watched today. We'd have a player with a fraction of that game time, sharpness, confidence, and experience with those around him. What we'd have is a Jermaine Jenas. Frightening.

Ultimately, I actually agree with you in principle. It is unusual to see a player that is quite as single-minded/selfish as Jamie O'Hara. Logic should tell him that he would probably get 20-25 starts and 20 sub appearances with us each season. That's good for a player of his age. Fuck it, I know damn well that the reason the mong hordes keep saying they want JOH as a squad player is because he would be brilliant. I'd love it if he would.

But, equally, they're footballers. Not slaves. He is in a place with his career and has made a decision on it and I wish him well. He has made it clear he chooses himself over THFC.

I wonder if he saw a group of fans that didn't abuse JJ, didn't call THudd fat and didn't alienate three-quarters of our squad whether he'd feel differently. Either way, Jamie's good performances are still good news for us as I suspect the fee we might receive in the summer is growing each week.


Back on topic, this Reading game looks pretty good.

 

[mike_l]

Mate, no offence. I'm sorry if that's what you think. You're a far, far more intelligent individual and better poster than them but the mong hordes of Spurs Chat are out and my patience is at its limit with this 'Jamie as a squad player' thing. It's been like this for months and it seems the majority of our 'fans' have not taken any notice when one of our players announce through multiple media outlets multiple times that he no longer wants to play for us.

Berbatov is a pariah when he by-and-large kept his counsel when feeling the same way but that's a different argument for another day.

I don't see it as Redknapp not wanting to upset the player. Partly it is to ensure the balance of the dressing room and partly to just do right by the player.

The critical thing we have to remember is that had we held onto O'Hara we would not have the player you watched today. We'd have a player with a fraction of that game time, sharpness, confidence, and experience with those around him. What we'd have is a Jermaine Jenas. Frightening.

Ultimately, I actually agree with you in principle. It is unusual to see a player that is quite as single-minded/selfish as Jamie O'Hara. Logic should tell him that he would probably get 20-25 starts and 20 sub appearances with us each season. That's good for a player of his age. Fuck it, I know damn well that the reason the mong hordes keep saying they want JOH as a squad player is because he would be brilliant. I'd love it if he would.

But, equally, they're footballers. Not slaves. He is in a place with his career and has made a decision on it and I wish him well. He has made it clear he chooses himself over THFC.

I wonder if he saw a group of fans that didn't abuse JJ, didn't call THudd fat and didn't alienate three-quarters of our squad whether he'd feel differently. Either way, Jamie's good performances are still good news for us as I suspect the fee we might receive in the summer is growing each week.


Back on topic, this Reading game looks pretty good.

I can't disagree with any of this, the bolded bit in particular. I think that O'Hara has been mismanaged by often being shunted out to left wing or left back, used too often as simply a utility player. The shame of it is that it looks likely that we will lose a player of great potential, who if he had been given the number of games in central midfield that Jenas has, I imagine would have far outshone him.

The blame for that has to lie with Redknapp as I think he has been in charge for the critical year in his development, less so Ramos who did use him in cm but that whole reign was such a clusterfuck that it's hard to analyse it in any way.

I still hope that he may come back next year, he did play quite a bit for us but out of position, if those appearances had been in his preferred role perhaps he would have been satisfied with 25-30 starts a season. Perhaps also he would show himself to be a better starting option than Hudd, and could become one of our first choice pairing in midfield.

 

[spurs mental]

Derby beating Birmingham 1-0 at the moment. Would love Stoke to get a result later on too v City.

 

[haxman]

Derby beating Birmingham 1-0 at the moment. Would love Stoke to get a result later on too v City.

Dammit, sport overload! There's just too much watchable on at the same time!

 

[spurs mental]

Birmingham have turned it around, now winning 2-1. Reading and West Brom is now 2-2.

Edit - Brum won 2-1. Last minute goal again to win.

 

[riggi]

'Theres only one John Terry' Stoke fans :lol:.

 

[haxman]

Shocking football from Stoke. Gifted City a goal just there. :evil:

 

[spurs mental]

Sorenson what the fuck was he doing. And Shawcross. Embarrassing.

 

[riggi]

1-0 city

 

[ShelfSide18]

First thing I hear when I turn on the telly is how SWP has only scored 1 other Fa Cup goal and that was the equaliser in the 4-3 game against us. Brilliant, never going to let us forget that are they!

 

[chrissivad]

Unlucky by Stoke, shot hit of Bridge