FIFA should ban Third Party Ownership.

[fedupyid]

I believe FIFA need to tackle the third party ownership problem where people own the economic writes to a player. Third party ownership is a growing thing in football look at the Neymar transfer last season his dad and a business man owned the majority of the economic writes to him so even though he was the worlds most expensive player Santos got a minority of the money.

Business' are going around Brazil and Argentina and signing hot prospects for next to no money and then they own part of the economic writes to a player. I believe it is one of the things that is hurting the Brazilian National Team they are signing players up and instead of going into a youth team they are coached so they are guaranteed money from their investment.

 

[beats1]

I believe FIFA need to tackle the third party ownership problem where people own the economic writes to a player. Third party ownership is a growing thing in football look at the Neymar transfer last season his dad and a business man owned the majority of the economic writes to him so even though he was the worlds most expensive player Santos got a minority of the money.

Business' are going around Brazil and Argentina and signing hot prospects for next to no money and then they own part of the economic writes to a player. I believe it is one of the things that is hurting the Brazilian National Team they are signing players up and instead of going into a youth team they are coached so they are guaranteed money from their investment.

Without third party ownership there may not be any Brazilian clubs tbh

 

[Lilbaz]

Agree. It is a huge amount of money going out of football to agents. Jorge Mendez must have made £100m last year from transfers.

What about loaning players? Is this not 3rd party ownership? Think that loaning players over 21 or to the same league should also be banned.

Very good article here on the subject (long but well worth it):

http://whitehouseaddress.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/a-worrying-concern-between-monaco-jorge.html

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I think there's a place for it, it allows alot of poor kids from poor families to get a chance where otherwise they would have had to take a menial job as a kid or young teen to support their families, therefore never having the opportunity to try to make it in professional sport, or get an education for that matter.

We hear about the ones that annoy us, those at the top of their game who annoy us when a deal becomes complicated. 1st World Problems! But they are not the only ones who have been advanced money and resources by '3rd party owners'. Just like all speculative investments, some make it and pay out handsomely. The majority fail and pay back nothing, so the reward from those that succeed has to be large to cover those that fail.

It's like Venture Capital i guess. Some are run well and are a postive boon to the economy, some are run badly and are leeches. As in footballer ownership.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think there's a place for it, it allows alot of poor kids from poor families to get a chance where otherwise they would have had to take a menial job as a kid or young teen to support their families, therefore never having the opportunity to try to make it in professional sport, or get an education for that matter.

We hear about the ones that annoy us, thoe at the top of their game. But they are not the only ones who have been advanced money and resources by '3rd party owners'. Just like all speculatie investments, some make it and pay out handsomely. The majority fail and pay back nothing, so the reward from those that succeed has to be large to cover those that fail.

It's like Venture Capital i guess. Some are run well and are a postive boon to the economy, some are run badly and are leeches. As in footballer ownership.

But if the clubs made all the money from the transfers would they not be able to support these kids? Support themselves?
What about if it was just a ban for European clubs?

 

[Geyzer Soze]

But if the clubs made all the money from the transfers would they not be able to support these kids? Support themselves?
What about if it was just a ban for European clubs?

I thought that there was a ban in the premiership, hence we get the problems when we want to bring one into the PL because they have to be sorted and bought out at that time (which doesn't apply to other leagues, hence Porto/ Athletico etc can have players who have 3rd party ownership structures around them).

Could be wrong.

 

[beats1]

But if the clubs made all the money from the transfers would they not be able to support these kids? Support themselves?
What about if it was just a ban for European clubs?

You're just looking at the point view of profit making clubs.

However third party ownership means that people that wouldnt be in football(due to costs) get the opportunity to be in it

Clubs wont want to ship players from the outskirts from a remote area. The Brazilian clubs are struggling financially and fighting hard so that it isn't banned.

 

[Lilbaz]

I thought that there was a ban in the premiership, hence we get the problems when we want to bring one into the PL because they have to be sorted and bought out at that time (which doesn't apply to other leagues, hence Porto/ Athletico etc can have players who have 3rd party ownership structures around them).

Could be wrong.

Banned in the premiership and France/Poland I believe. What I mean is a total ban by Uefa.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Banned in the premiership and France/Poland I believe. What I mean is a total ban by Uefa.

Or ... if England, France and Poland would un ban it then we would all be on a level playing field and it would cease to be a problem for us.

But for 3rd party ownership people like Sandro, Tevez, Hulk, even Messi ... and god knows how many others would more than likely be bussing tables and not be professinoal footballers. To the detriment of the game ultimately, IMO.

 

[Lilbaz]

Or ... if England, France and Poland would un ban it then we would all be on a level playing field and it would cease to be a problem for us.

But for 3rd party ownership people like Sandro, Tevez, Hulk, even Messi ... and god knows how many others would more than likely be bussing tables and not be professinoal footballers. To the detriment of the game ultimately, IMO.

We were trying to sign a 9 year old Irish kid in Australia. Barcelona beat us to him. Do you really think that clubs do not have scouts all over the globe, these are £multi million investments. If a player is good enough they will be picked up. We don't see this problem in Africa. You even use Messi as an example, what age did Barcelona sign him?
All that would happen is that the agents would still do the same but take a slice of the players future wages rather than transfer fee.

 

[Spurslove]

I believe FIFA need to tackle the third party ownership problem where people own the economic writes to a player. Third party ownership is a growing thing in football look at the Neymar transfer last season his dad and a business man owned the majority of the economic writes to him so even though he was the worlds most expensive player Santos got a minority of the money.

Business' are going around Brazil and Argentina and signing hot prospects for next to no money and then they own part of the economic writes to a player. I believe it is one of the things that is hurting the Brazilian National Team they are signing players up and instead of going into a youth team they are coached so they are guaranteed money from their investment.

Absolutely agree 100% that these third party ownerships should be banned. They are a blight on the game, and they also invite all sorts of unsavoury characters to get their grubby little paws on promising young talent, and then complicate the transfer processes by hiking the prices up no end, to achieve the maximum yield on their minimal investments.

A thousand poxes on their houses.

 

[Mattspur]

It also opens up the game to corruption because players from different teams could work for the best interest of the owner rather than the clubs they represent.

It should be banned from all UEFA leagues to protect the integrity of the game.

 

[Kendall]

I'd sooner see the Prem lift restrictions on it. It would lessen transfer fees in the immediate future and make negotiations easier in the long term.

 

[beats1]

I'd sooner see the Prem lift restrictions on it. It would lessen transfer fees in the immediate future and make negotiations easier in the long term.

It is worth noting that it is also used in south america for money laundering by drug cartels, it would interesting how that went down with a PL move

 

[beats1]

It also opens up the game to corruption because players from different teams could work for the best interest of the owner rather than the clubs they represent.

It should be banned from all UEFA leagues to protect the integrity of the game.

The thing is Portugal will fight tooth and nail against it since it ensures they can have world class talent without having to afford it

 

[Lilbaz]

The thing is Portugal will fight tooth and nail against it since it ensures they can have world class talent without having to afford it

Simple then ban third party owned players from European competitions (europa, CL). What is the point of FFP when some teams don't own their players or pay their full wages? As I said loans for over 21's should also be banned.

 

[Danners9]

If FIFA really did act in the best interests of the game they could do so many things.

Here, Platini says 'i have tried but no one would listen' and Valcke says 'we're working on it' - so that's good, a toothless governing body. http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...layer-trades-boost-third-party-balance-sheets

 

[Mattspur]

The thing is Portugal will fight tooth and nail against it since it ensures they can have world class talent without having to afford it

That's only 1 league, and what's more, there's only a handful of clubs in that league who actually benefit from it. I can imagine that if it went to a vote the other 17 clubs in the league would vote against it as it would improve their chances of being successful.