First 11 unbeaten

[mstill13]

I had a look at this, this morning too. I believe you can also include when Wimmer replaced Vertonghen and we were still unbeaten (but I only looked at league games)

 

[spurs9]

Playing the same team throughout the season - over 60 games if we are reasonably successful in the cups/Europe - is simply not physically possible, particularly playing a high intensity game which is fundamental to Poch's tactics.

So one thing Poch needs to do better is to rotate players in and out of the squad, both to rest players and to ensure players not in that first team get used to both that style of play and also are match fit when called upon.....as we will get suspensions and injuries as well as a need to rest players.

But what are the stats to back up your statement - what was the starting X1 and what matches (including dates) were they unbeaten ?

A settled team know each others games and are more likely to be successful - but as I say rotation is necessary as its not possible to keep the same X1 throughout a 60 game season.

Played 7, won 4, drawn 3. Not fantastic stats even with the small sample IMO.

Wins
Stoke - 18/04
Man Utd - 10/04
Villa - 02/11
Bournemouth - 25/10

Draws
WBA - 25/04
WBA - 05/12
Arsenal - 08/11

 

[mstill13]

But if you look at games where we started with our first choice midfield and attack it is:

P 13
W 9
D 4
L 0

I think that shows the strength in depth of our defence isn't a problem.

 

[mstill13]

Also, the first time we played with our First XI was the 1-5 win at Bournemouth (our 14th game of the season)

 

[arnoldlayne]

I think an important stat was that Kane scored 24 PL goals in the games where Dembele played and 1 in the games Dembele didn't play. (I don't think I've got this stat wrong!)

We really need to find some sort of adequate backup for Dembele if this is correct.

 

[Bobbins]

Hey!!

We are a DISGRACE and we are all ASHAMED with this club. Stop with your positive vibes.

That performance was a disgrace and we should all be ashamed of it - Poch was. Unless you're saying he was wrong?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Thanks,

Just looking at this, I suspect that the number of matches for which OP is correct is a relatively small number of matches, given that Vertonghen was out for a while and Dembele only played the full 90 minutes in 20 matches or so and Rose played about equal minutes with Davies in the first half of the season
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Tottenham_Hotspur_Minutes_2015-16.html

So OP may be correct but its a fact based upon too few matches. Do you remember how many matches Bale played before a side with him in won ? Obviously meant Bale was a rubbish player who wouldn't ever amount to anything

This "too few matches" argument that's tossed around in debates over football stats is actually a misuse of a statistical concept.
It's not subject to subjective opinions or something you can spot with the eye. The conclusion about "too few" or "enough" when it comes to sample size is actually derived from standard statistical tests. And unless you or any other happily using that term have in fact carried out said tests (in which case feel free to tell me off), it is a derailing of the debate to toss that argument around as factual about every state one does not quite like.

IMO, I would guess that the sample sizes debated here probably are reasonable enough to seriously consider the conclusions they are pointing towards.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I think an important stat was that Kane scored 24 PL goals in the games where Dembele played and 1 in the games Dembele didn't play. (I don't think I've got this stat wrong!)

We really need to find some sort of adequate backup for Dembele if this is correct.

That was the most surprising thing I've read in quite some time.

 

[ginola99]

Starts and finishes. Both have have been our weaknesses for years and this season has been no exception, it's really cost us.

From September 13th (Sunderland away) til 18th April (Stoke away) our form in the league was:

P30 W19 D8 L3 F61 A21 GD 40+ PTS 65

• 2.16 points per games
• 2.03 goals per game
• 0.7 goals conceded per game

To put that into context with that form you'd finish the season on 82 points, Leicester finished on 81.

On top of that we saw wins by a three or more goal margin on 9 occasions:

• 4-1 Manchester City (H)
• 5-1 Bournemouth (A)
• 3-0 Norwich City (H)
• 4-1 West Ham (H)
• 4-1 Sunderland (H)
• 3-0 Norwich City (A)
• 3-0 Bournemouth (H)
• 3-0 Manchester United (H)
• 4-0 Stoke City (A)

Along with 12 clean sheets.

And this is a 30 game period, not 10, not even 15. Maybe its true that Poch's side burn out or maybe, IMO, its the lack of depth in squad. I looked at 2009/10 season as an example noticong we saw half of the above during that whole season, something like 5 wins by 3 or more goals.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Maybe its true that Poch's side burn out or maybe, IMO, its the lack of depth in squad.

The two walk hand in hand, though. Expand the number of players Pochettino truly wants to use, and you reduce the chance of burning out.

 

[spursram]

This "too few matches" argument that's tossed around in debates over football stats is actually a misuse of a statistical concept.
It's not subject to subjective opinions or something you can spot with the eye. The conclusion about "too few" or "enough" when it comes to sample size is actually derived from standard statistical tests. And unless you or any other happily using that term have in fact carried out said tests (in which case feel free to tell me off), it is a derailing of the debate to toss that argument around as factual about every state one does not quite like.

IMO, I would guess that the sample sizes debated here probably are reasonable enough to seriously consider the conclusions they are pointing towards.

Thankyou Sir Humphrey!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Thankyou Sir Humphrey!

I know it's a fudging tedious technicality, and most people don't really care.
But it's one of my football debate pet peeves, because it falls into the category of trying to manipulate the debate rather than contribute to it. If one is set on manipulation, at least do it in an intelligent way.

 

[mil1lion]

On another note, Barca without Neymar, Messi and Suarez are not all that great

 

[spursram]

I know it's a fudging tedious technicality, and most people don't really care.
But it's one of my football debate pet peeves, because it falls into the category of trying to manipulate the debate rather than contribute to it. If one is set on manipulation, at least do it in an intelligent way.

Sir Humphrey on manipulation of data:



We need a few laughs this week.

 

[dvdhopeful]

Rotation is the key but rotation only works if you have players who can do a job. We are criminally short in cover for Dier and Kane. Having no cover for Dier, plus Jan's injury also mean't that Toby was completely exposed (Matron) and all three played games they shouldn't even have been in the squad for. If you can keep key players away from unnecessary games then the squad doesn't need more stars, just capable players who can do a job.

If we could bring in a centre back who can also do a job in DM and a striker who can play the lone role but also play out wide, we'd be a long way to covering up the gaps. Son could potentially be this player, I cannot for the life of me understand people willing to give up on Son and in the same sentence praising Lamela - remember Erik in his first season?

 

[TriXed]

I like this thread. It makes me happy again..

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Its going to be tough to sign adequate players to sit on the bench.

 

[Spursidol]

This "too few matches" argument that's tossed around in debates over football stats is actually a misuse of a statistical concept.
It's not subject to subjective opinions or something you can spot with the eye. The conclusion about "too few" or "enough" when it comes to sample size is actually derived from standard statistical tests. And unless you or any other happily using that term have in fact carried out said tests (in which case feel free to tell me off), it is a derailing of the debate to toss that argument around as factual about every state one does not quite like.

IMO, I would guess that the sample sizes debated here probably are reasonable enough to seriously consider the conclusions they are pointing towards.

To quote @spurs9 stats for that Spurs 11

Played 7, won 4, drawn 3. Not fantastic stats even with the small sample IMO.

Wins
Stoke - 18/04
Man Utd - 10/04
Villa - 02/11
Bournemouth - 25/10

Draws
WBA - 25/04
WBA - 05/12
Arsenal - 08/11

So 7 games unbeaten - 3 of which were draws. Not a great run to say that it demonstrates we need to build our future around them.

As it happens I've no problem with that as a team, but saying that because they were unbeaten they must be our first 11 to build round (as OP stated is going some)

 

[Spursidol]

I simply looked at the BBC Sport match reports for every game that we lost, to see the starting lineups. The most telling part was which players were missing when we lost...midfielders. If we don;t have the defensive shield of Dier or the thrust of Alli and Demebele, we are vulnerable. That's no big surprise though, as we all know that Wimmer, Trippier and Davies generally slotted in well, and Kane wasn't rotated for league games.

I don't have time to trawl through all of the fixtures now, but I know we had our 'best' eleven on in our recent thumpings of Man Utd and Stoke.

Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier, Dembele, Eriksen, Alli, Lamela, Kane

Yup but your OP said :

'Not sure if it has already been mentioned, but our best eleven has gone the entire season unbeaten, in all competitions. Every time we've lost, we have either been resting multiple players (cups) or have had injuries/suspensions to key players (league).'

So your post suggests its many more than 7 matches out of a season where we played 50 - 60 matches and its equally true that we have won many more matches with a different Spurs X1.

And the points per game for the 7 games, are, as it happens not too far off our average of 2 ppg, so not that much better than our average for the season

That's why I was questioning your OP