Gift Orban

[Ghost Hardware]

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But people want signings. I dont blame them, we've just sold our best player, nobody trusts the club in the transfer market and nobody looks to be heading out the door or coming in any time soon. I like Ange, but we have no idea how his tactics will transfer to the PL yet. Everything is on a knife edge when you step back and look at it. I know the players didnt work out but when we sold Bale there was an obvious plan to reinvest the money, we've been told by Ange there is a plan, but I'm not certain it looks like it, apart from a regular bunch of transfers the squad needed anyway. Two weeks of the window left and my suspicions are that we will only see a load of outs on loan and a struggle to bring anyone of note in, based on the previous numerous summer transfer windows.

Mate your preaching to the choir, I agree with you 100%. Like I said in another thread, quality players won’t be leaving their clubs in the last week of the window because most clubs don’t want to sell quality players at all and certainly not in the last week when there’s no time to replace them. Time is running out very fast and we have been told we need to sell first. When was the last time we sold even 3 or 4 players in a window let alone 7? I get why fans are frustrated… I’m frustrated. Very frustrated. At this point I’m 90% sure the club will cock it up.

But we shouldn’t be expecting a 21 year old who’s played 1 half season for Gent is going to be the answer to our problems. It puts unfair pressure on him and blows the impact he will likely have on our season way out of proportion. I’d hazard a guess that the majority of Spurs fans haven’t even seen one full game of his from last season. Maybe he comes and is just beast from the start but I’d say, having watched him and knowing he hasn’t come through any sort of pro academy, the chances are slim.

Somehow Orban has become this primary target that our season depends on and that for me is crazy considering where he is in his development. Doesn’t mean I don’t want him or wouldn’t be happy to get him (I’d love him to come) but personally I think perspective is also needed in his regard at least.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

This shows how stats can be useful but don't tell the full story. His numbers in Belgium are impressive as are is his goals but if we lump £30m on him and he fails it's more deadwood as we aren't getting rid of him for anywhere near that.

I remember everyone waxing lyrical about Patson Daka, he was the next one, had a great season, then had a brilliant pre-season friendly v Liverpool and went to Leicester. He's a rotation option in the Championship now.

Those are some excellent points. Some peeps are getting way too stressed about this. As it stands we know we need CF, CB and possibly RF but like has been said above, there's nothing we can do about it. I'm very hopeful we can get a couple in but there is no need to worry about it, we cannot control it.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Yeah they are but you can only play what’s in front of you. In a good system who’s to say he doesn’t adapt to the prem? Countless others have. You have to take some risks the difference is a few years back it’s a 10m risk but now it’s a 30m

Yup he can only play what's in front of him and when he's played teams that finished higher in the Belgian league, Sides like Club Brugge [4th], Genk [1st] and Union [2nd] he hasn't scored, he scored against Standard who finished sixth last season, and Anderlecht who were 11th

Gent finished 5th so he wasn't playing for a bottom-of-the-league team.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Those are some excellent points. Some peeps are getting way too stressed about this. As it stands we know we need CF, CB and possibly RF but like has been said above, there's nothing we can do about it. I'm very hopeful we can get a couple in but there is no need to worry about it, we cannot control it.

I like the strategy of us buying the up and comers, it suits us well and adds energy to the team. But you have to buy at the right price still. That does 2 things, it means they can be moved on relatively easily if they don't push on but it also manages expectations. Veliz is a nice under the radar signing, he can develop at his own pace, which will hopefully be quickly and will transition into the 1st team when ready. Orban at £30m+ then becomes yhe Kane replacement in many people's eyes which he will almost certainly fail at, not good for a young player coming out of Belgium

 

[hughy]

Fabio Vieria Scored 8 and assisted 14 in Portugal before Arsenal signed him, scored 1 goal and 2 assists at Arsenal

Darwin Nunez scored 26 In Portugal and scored 9 for Liverpool.

Orban won't be putting up anywhere near the numbers he has in Belgium in the EPL season 1

Johnathan David scored 24 last season in France, But Lacazette scored 27

Orban will not be what we hope he will be

I don't think anyone here has suggested he'd be a goal-a-game striker in the PL in his first couple of seasons. However it's players like him with absolute bags of potential who in the past we have been criticised for not signing at a reasonable price when they've been available to us. Also we have a manager who is clearly willing to give younger players a fair crack, and has an "if you're good enough, you're old enough" approach, so I can't see a situation where we're suddenly trying to flog him in a year's time for half the price having made only 7 or 8 substitute appearances for us.

With the CF market as thin as it is we have to take a chance on someone like Orban.

 

[worcestersauce]

If this guy is the answer for us, he'll still be the answer for us in two weeks time and that two weeks ain't going to make any difference to our season, it doesn't have to be done right now this minute.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

You only have to look at Veliz he was the joint top 3rd scorer in Argentina, and also the youngest at 19, Beltran is the second at 22 and joint second with one 1 more goal the rest of the players are all in their mid-20s to 30s and there is 9 more that have score 1-2 more goals than him

Goals Against Racing/River/Boca/Newells he can score in the big games and he's not ready for the first team. And he would have had a far better football background than Orban

 

[Tottenham12]

If this guy is the answer for us, he'll still be the answer for us in two weeks time and that two weeks ain't going to make any difference to our season, it doesn't have to be done right now this minute.

If he’s the answer, then (it’s unlikely) he would be starting those two game (and a cup game). If we drop points, we could look back at those games and they could be the difference between CL football or not? 6 points are never a lot until the end of the season.. obviously all hypothetical but there’s a reason the big teams get their business down early and replacements lined up before big players leave.

 

[muppetman]

The most sensible option would be to buy him and then loan him to a team in a better league to see if he can do it there.

However, we aren't doing that at £30M.

 

[GutBucket]

The most sensible option would be to buy him and then loan him to a team in a better league to see if he can do it there.

However, we aren't doing that at £30M.

We should do that, Arsenal did it with Saliba. Unless we can buy someone better obviously.

 

[George94]

Can't believe we're seeing players go for over £100m this window, who 10 years ago would have been worth £30-40m and we're still thinking £30m is too much money to spend on one of the most exciting prospects in Europe

 

[Albertbarich]

The trouble with all these attempts at reasoned takes is that it completely ignores the human nature element that is prevalent here .

We have just sold our greatest ever strikers, the man who has carried the team. Some of you are happy with what is up there to replace him and that's great for you but take a step back and look at what others see.

In Richarlison we have a player that has never ever been prolific so straight away there is huge doubts and then you add to the fact that last season he played like a pigeon, nevermind celebrating like one. So it's totally understandable that people don't believe we have enough up there.

So we're heavily linked to this kid who 99% of us having only seen clips of. You can argue he isn't ready, he isnt good enough, he's too expensive all you want but the metrics are atrocious. We have just sold a striker for 100 million , if this kid is the answer as the scouting department seemed to have identified then in this mental market having just got a shitload of cash of course he will cost a lot.

Look you can be patient , calm, in your mind reasonable if you want. But when you see everything that has been going on and add it all up it's not hard to see why so many are fully out of patience, this happens when you lose the trust of people.

if the scouts and Ange want him then get him, if they're not bothered then move on to someone they really do want.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

To be honest mate, lots of posters are happy to sell low and buy high just to see deals happening.

A lot easier to spend someone else’s money right?

It’s true, but not selling and buying cheaper alternatives is arguably a bigger drain on resources in the long run.

 

[fecka]

How do we not desperately need a cb? If Romero god forbid gets an injury (and let’s be honest) his track record ain’t great, we have VDV and one of dier/Sanchez. Granted Sanchez was great when he came on, but even so.

and we deffo need a forward, richy hasn’t scored more than 13 goals per season in the league, we’ve been told veliz is a signing for the future. Unless the plan is to move sonny up top, I can’t see how we don’t need another forward.

My guess is that Son will be moving up top as he isn't really suited to LW in Ange's system (at least going by the games so far), especially if Richy doesn't get going.
We're not getting rid of Gil as he's injured and he's likely to get a chance at LW (think he could be extremely well suited to it as well FWIW) with Perisic, Solomon & Deki as current wingers. On paper I'm not overwhelmed by those options, but it's early days and I'd rather see us get someone we truly believe in the positions we've identified rather than fall for the "we desperate need any kind of forward or CB".

We're a bit thin in some positions, yes, but I fully understand why the club is looking to move several players on before committing to any more major incomings.

 

[vegassd]

If he’s the answer, then (it’s unlikely) he would be starting those two game (and a cup game). If we drop points, we could look back at those games and they could be the difference between CL football or not? 6 points are never a lot until the end of the season.. obviously all hypothetical but there’s a reason the big teams get their business down early and replacements lined up before big players leave.

I'm not sure that when worcester said "the answer" he meant that this guy is the next Messi. More like if he is the rotation option up front that the club settle on. I may be totally wrong on that, but that was more the impression I got.

It seems like a lot of people are trying to evaluate Orban in isolation, which isn't practical. If he was nailed on to be starting games ahead of Richy and Son then £30m is a good price. But I don't think he will be that player. He is going to be a cog in the machine at most, and it may well be the case that other cogs are seen as more important.

I know it's very exciting to think about the prospect signings - particularly for strikers - but if he really was God's gift then loads of other clubs would have swept in already (e.g. United instead of buying Hojlund) which hasn't happened. My point being, it's not worth getting annoyed with every tweet or rumour that comes through.

It's a very romantic idea that Orban comes on for the last 10 mins against United and scores the winner, but in reality we can't go putting all our eggs in that basket, particularly if it meant missing out on a Chiesa/Vlahovic or Tapsoba in the long run. Just my opinion.

 

[felmani26]

I like the strategy of us buying the up and comers, it suits us well and adds energy to the team. But you have to buy at the right price still. That does 2 things, it means they can be moved on relatively easily if they don't push on but it also manages expectations. Veliz is a nice under the radar signing, he can develop at his own pace, which will hopefully be quickly and will transition into the 1st team when ready. Orban at £30m+ then becomes yhe Kane replacement in many people's eyes which he will almost certainly fail at, not good for a young player coming out of Belgium

Richarlison was bought with a view of being the 'Kane replacement' or do people conveniently ignore this?

Richarlison will be in situ even with Orban being brought in and might well be utilised as a wide forward at times too.

 

[Trix]

Can't believe we're seeing players go for over £100m this window, who 10 years ago would have been worth £30-40m and we're still thinking £30m is too much money to spend on one of the most exciting prospects in Europe

Is he one of the most exciting prospects in Europe? Genuine question because I haven't seen him play except for YouTube clips, and I doubt hardly anyone on here despite screaming for this to get done are any different.

I'd much rather a player with more of a sample size personally even if it costs more. So many players have break out seasons only to fade into journeymen, and €30 mil is too much of a gamble on a fairly unknown quantity imo.

 

[mil1lion]

I think its clear they are trying to get the max price now and see if they can attract new clubs to come for him. Blackburn did kind of similar before the Phillips release kicked in. I think we will hold tight on this while we try for other strikers. Then if we still need a striker this one could happen late on at around our valuation. I fancy we would loan them Scarlett or Veliz so it can be done late on without them scrambling for a striker.

 

[arunspurs]

Is he one of the most exciting prospects in Europe? Genuine question because I haven't seen him play except for YouTube clips, and I doubt hardly anyone on here despite screaming for this to get done are any different.

I'd much rather a player with more of a sample size personally even if it costs more. So many players have break out seasons only to fade into journeymen, and €30 mil is too much of a gamble on a fairly unknown quantity imo.

There’s no guarantee either way. We can do extensive scouting with bigger data set & have flops.

Question is , if player comes in & fails can we recoup atleast to some extent ?

To me , we buy Orban for 25m or 30m and he flops for 2 seasons say scoring 10 goals in 2 season. He is still going to be 23. We Still be able to sell for 15m and also have some sell on clause

His Europe performances have shown at the very least he is very good at Conference league level. So a Europa league team can spend 15-20m in 2 yrs even if he fails with us

 

[Derryank]

Them lot paid £20m for Trossard and an additional £7M in add ons. And he's a back up player

Strictly comparison for an established EPL winger/striker versus a chao from the Belgian first division.

€30m is too much for a non established player who hasn't cut his teeth yet beyond one of Europes least competitive leagues