Gift Orban

[vegassd]

No idea if this guy is worth £30M, but who else are we getting at £30M or less that is either an unknown element or a mediocre player.

This not meant as a we should just buy him but is a general question. Ferguson is going to be over £100M (brighton wont sell), Vlahovic £70M, Toney £40M-£50M+ (guess)

I think this is exactly the sort of thinking that will be going on... what are the other options available at his position, and how they would fit in to the overall squad and budget?

Even if we thought he was worth the money, we need to think about if signing Orban would prevent us signing an alternative such as Vlahovic, or how it might change the budget for wingers and CBs. And those things will also be affected by the outs, and by Ange's assessment of the likes of Reguilon/Sanchez/Perisic for example.

Regardless of what our remaining budget is, we can only spend it once. And if Ange is viewing Veliz as not really being part of the first team plans this season, then they may well view Orban in the same bracket. Personally I would prefer if we are looking at first team targets as the priority now, and I'm not sure if Orban fits into that.

 

[bbunc]

Is David at lille not a viable option. They were asking for 50m. His record is good, and more proven in a higher league.

Admittedly, I’ve only seen him play full games for Canada, but I haven’t seen anything at all that indicates the current ability or potential to be a good EPL level striker.

 

[rabbikeane]

I'm eager for us to land this transfer, reckon up to 30 is reasonable but . .
I take it everyone that want us to triple our transfer output (30m is the new 10m) are also fine with the rise in ticket prices?
Just pay it, it's not my money right

 

[Trix]

No idea if this guy is worth £30M, but who else are we getting at £30M or less that is either an unknown element or a mediocre player.

This not meant as a we should just buy him but is a general question. Ferguson is going to be over £100M (brighton wont sell), Vlahovic £70M, Toney £40M-£50M+ (guess)

Why should 30 million be our max point though? That's the point. As people keep saying there is an element of risk with every signing. Fact is though generally speaking there's a reason why some players value is higher than others.

Yes his data looks good but the point is it's based on a very small sample size in a lower league. If he'd done it for a couple of years straight or against better opposition in a better standard league I'd be happier with bringing him in. Fact is though lots on here are only really begging for this to get done because the links in the press have been stronger than for others.

 

[mawspurs]

We've sold our prolific goal scoring striker, Orban's stats so far show he could well become a prolific goal scoring striker.
All transfers are a risk but i think we have to go for this guy and hope that with better coaching he can improve and become what we've lost.

His club will have a value for him and so will we, just need a compromise, its standard transfer business as far as I can see.

I think the fear of a poor season is feeding all of our impatience to see this done. I'm pretty sure he won't be our only option though assuming our new data-led approach is doing its work.

 

[Chris Flynn]

Is he one of the most exciting prospects in Europe? Genuine question because I haven't seen him play except for YouTube clips, and I doubt hardly anyone on here despite screaming for this to get done are any different.

I'd much rather a player with more of a sample size personally even if it costs more. So many players have break out seasons only to fade into journeymen, and €30 mil is too much of a gamble on a fairly unknown quantity imo.

I still think we should go for Amir Zaki

 

[Trix]

I'm eager for us to land this transfer, reckon up to 30 is reasonable but . .
I take it everyone that want us to triple our transfer output (30m is the new 10m) are also fine with the rise in ticket prices?
Just pay it, it's not my money right

Ha ha. Yeah that 2.6million they are raising in ticket price hike is the difference. Forget the 100's of millions brought in through other streams. The wasted money on manager sackings or failure to secure stadium sponsorship hey. They've raised the already highest ticket prices in Europe by 20% to compete in the transfer market.

Pathetic take from you mate, and you should be ashamed trying to make that argument.

 

[Fatcat]

Why should 30 million be our max point though? That's the point. As people keep saying there is an element of risk with every signing. Fact is though generally speaking there's a reason why some players value is higher than others.

Yes his data looks good but the point is it's based on a very small sample size in a lower league. If he'd done it for a couple of years straight or against better opposition in a better standard league I'd be happier with bringing him in. Fact is though lots on here are only really begging for this to get done because the links in the press have been stronger than for others.

Agree that as this looks closest a lot will be get it done because.

And the list of examples is more based on what we have heard of though your good selves and press.

Is hard to think of other strikers that would come to a club not in Europe and kind of in transition that are not going to be hugely overpriced.

No reason we can't ago above £30M but is hard to believe Levy will make a purchase based on Footballing reasons more than Money ones.

 

[Stoof]

Ha ha. Yeah that 2.6million they are raising in ticket price hike is the difference. Forget the 100's of millions brought in through other streams. The wasted money on manager sackings or failure to secure stadium sponsorship hey. They've raised the already highest ticket prices in Europe by 20% to compete in the transfer market.

Pathetic take from you mate, and you should be ashamed trying to make that argument.

Think @rabbikeane is saying just that mate.

 

[Dazzazzad]

£30 million on what is essentially just a punt is far too much to be honest and I say this as somebody who is excited about the kid. Really I think £20 million should be the limit.

These kind of deals should have a very reasonable up front fee with heavy add on incentives. I other words, if he does become a top striker then you as the selling club are gonna benefit a lot.

 

[Albertbarich]

Why should 30 million be our max point though? That's the point. As people keep saying there is an element of risk with every signing. Fact is though generally speaking there's a reason why some players value is higher than others.

Yes his data looks good but the point is it's based on a very small sample size in a lower league. If he'd done it for a couple of years straight or against better opposition in a better standard league I'd be happier with bringing him in. Fact is though lots on here are only really begging for this to get done because the links in the press have been stronger than for others.

I guess it depends on the profile they want.

If it's a young striker with loads of potential not expected to be first choice then this guy seems a good fit

If you're of the opinion we need a first choice then I'd think the sort of money we got for Kane would need to be spent.

 

[nedley]

To be honest mate, lots of posters are happy to sell low and buy high just to see deals happening.

A lot easier to spend someone else’s money right?

The spin on that is some want to sell low and buy high due to years of poor squad management, transfer strategy and decision making.

If it was my choice it would be coming straight put of Levys pocket.

And some may say it is our money.

Most expensive tickets in WORLD football.

 

[Trix]

Think @rabbikeane is saying just that mate.

Well apologies if it is, didn't read that way to me.

 

[kd2000]

Yup he can only play what's in front of him and when he's played teams that finished higher in the Belgian league, Sides like Club Brugge [4th], Genk [1st] and Union [2nd] he hasn't scored, he scored against Standard who finished sixth last season, and Anderlecht who were 11th

Gent finished 5th so he wasn't playing for a bottom-of-the-league team.

Without having the benefit of watching and dissecting the games I remain cautious to use those as barometers to whether he is a flat track bully.
It's important to see if he received any decent service before dismissing it as just not scoring. Kane didnt score in plenty of games against top end teams in games where we struggled to get the ball to him in dangerous areas.
This is where stats, for stats sake don't provide an accurate picture

 

[offside_ruel_fox]

I really felt after the Kane sale we would have seen a number of deals concluded this week. Given I thought we had contingency plans lined up (yes I know it Spurs and what should I really expect).

Looks like it will be last minute transfer day dealings for us.

 

[kd2000]

Why should 30 million be our max point though? That's the point. As people keep saying there is an element of risk with every signing. Fact is though generally speaking there's a reason why some players value is higher than others.

Yes his data looks good but the point is it's based on a very small sample size in a lower league. If he'd done it for a couple of years straight or against better opposition in a better standard league I'd be happier with bringing him in. Fact is though lots on here are only really begging for this to get done because the links in the press have been stronger than for others.

Although I agree for the most part, if he had done it for longer or against better opposition then we would probably be looking at 50m+ and half the fan base saying we should have gone for him in the summer of 23 when we could have gotten him for nearly half the price.
He could be a flop, he could be the second coming of Jimmy Greaves, who knows?

I would be happy to take a punt, but, maybe that's because it's not my money

 

[Timberwolf]

In an ideal world we spend big on someone more proven, or a top class winger to play on the right.

If we're not willing to do that for whatever reason (tight with money, lack of available/ideal options) I'm fine with a punt on Orban as we do need a forward this window and as far as punts go he looks like an interesting one.

 

[SambaSpurs]

Ultimately you have to trust the scouting and if this is the guy that Paratici/ Gabbanini/ the data team want in and it’s approved by Ange, then we should back them and go for it. £30m does seem steep but you’re not paying that just for what he is today, but also what he can become. Dan KP’s article mentioned that we think he has ‘enormous potential’, let’s see.

 

[worcestersauce]

If he’s the answer, then (it’s unlikely) he would be starting those two game (and a cup game). If we drop points, we could look back at those games and they could be the difference between CL football or not? 6 points are never a lot until the end of the season.. obviously all hypothetical but there’s a reason the big teams get their business down early and replacements lined up before big players leave.

But he wouldn't be starting those games, it'd be nice to get him in now but I really don't see it as making or breaking our season.

 

[KingNick]

This has all the markings of his club just trying it on and trying to create a market that isn’t as strong as they might like. Wouldn’t be surprised to see this ending up as a 15-20m deadline day deal once they realise everyone has the same concerns about such a small data set on which to justify 30m.