Gift Orban

[chas vs dave]

That’s all fair enough but don’t you think we should be more organised than we are?

I have no idea . It does smack of spurs looking for opportunities again.

 

[Nine while nine]

To be fair Janssen is among a fair few players to have played for us and gone on to show we may have been the problem or done well in their careers...Paulinho and Foyth also come to mind.

Ah yes.

The Mexican League is renowned for being an outstanding league, ranked a smidgeon better than the MLS and the Honduran National League. To have scored for Monterrey at a ratio of worse than 1 in 5 is remarkable and demonstrates that, obvs, Spurs were the problem all along.

Still, having not found one single Dutch team to take him on upon his return, Janssen settled in the Belgian pro league and scored a mighty 18 goals for Antwerp in the 2022-23 season. That's 3 more than so-called wonder boy Gift Orban. Admittedly, Gift didn't actually join his team until 31 January 2023, but, still, it's Spurs, not him.

Janssen also continued his redemption arc by getting recalled to the Dutch National Team after a five year hiatus. He scored no goals in five appearances, and then retired from international football. Apparently, the schedule was all a bit too hectic for him. He was 28 at the time.

Look, you're not wrong to say that, on occasion, it's Tottenham who are at fault, not the player. But Janssen isn't the hill to die on when making this argument. He's just not much cop, I'm afraid.

 

[npearl4spurs]

Ah yes.

The Mexican League is renowned for being an outstanding league, ranked a smidgeon better than the MLS and the Honduran National League. To have scored for Monterrey at a ratio of worse than 1 in 5 is remarkable and demonstrates that, obvs, Spurs were the problem all along.

Still, having not found one single Dutch team to take him on upon his return, Janssen settled in the Belgian pro league and scored a mighty 18 goals for Antwerp in the 2022-23 season. That's 3 more than so-called wonder boy Gift Orban. Admittedly, Gift didn't actually join his team until 31 January 2023, but, still, it's Spurs, not him.

Janssen also continued his redemption arc by getting recalled to the Dutch National Team after a five year hiatus. He scored no goals in five appearances, and then retired from international football. Apparently, the schedule was all a bit too hectic for him. He was 28 at the time.

Look, you're not wrong to say that, on occasion, it's Tottenham who are at fault, not the player. But Janssen isn't the hill to die on when making this argument. He's just not much cop, I'm afraid.

Holy shit what an absolute polemic at a simple counterpoint. I didn’t make some grandstanding “hill to die on” argument for Vincent Janssen ffs

guess I’ll have to be more careful posting on here before I get absolutely dug out and mocked over Vincent fucking Janssen

 

[archiewasking]

Ah yes.

The Mexican League is renowned for being an outstanding league, ranked a smidgeon better than the MLS and the Honduran National League. To have scored for Monterrey at a ratio of worse than 1 in 5 is remarkable and demonstrates that, obvs, Spurs were the problem all along.

Still, having not found one single Dutch team to take him on upon his return, Janssen settled in the Belgian pro league and scored a mighty 18 goals for Antwerp in the 2022-23 season. That's 3 more than so-called wonder boy Gift Orban. Admittedly, Gift didn't actually join his team until 31 January 2023, but, still, it's Spurs, not him.

Janssen also continued his redemption arc by getting recalled to the Dutch National Team after a five year hiatus. He scored no goals in five appearances, and then retired from international football. Apparently, the schedule was all a bit too hectic for him. He was 28 at the time.

Look, you're not wrong to say that, on occasion, it's Tottenham who are at fault, not the player. But Janssen isn't the hill to die on when making this argument. He's just not much cop, I'm afraid.

Well I love Vinny and would welcome him back. So there.

 

[barry]

Holy shit what an absolute polemic at a simple counterpoint. I didn’t make some grandstanding “hill to die on” argument for Vincent Janssen ffs

guess I’ll have to be more careful posting on here before I get absolutely dug out and mocked over Vincent fucking Janssen

Word of the day toilet paper?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Quite frankly if we don't want to be at the top table paying £100m for players like Caicedo and Rice, £55m Lavia etc, then this is the type of gambles we need to take. Whether we like that as a fanbase or not, it's where the club is and wants to be.

On the money. If you want to be seen as a big club, targeting success, then you need to be meticulous in your dealings. If a player comes along that absolutely improves you, then you need to be prepared to weigh up that improvement against any financial valuation, and whether the improvement you will see on-field is actually worth more to you than any perceived over market valuation. That’s what elevates teams from plucky also ran’s, into being contenders. If your not prepared to go to those lengths financially, then you have to some seriously good scouting and move very swiftly on players with potential, and accept that sometimes there’s a big gamble involved, because you aren’t buying a guaranteed proven article, you won’t pay the prices for that shop, you are buying potential and have to do as much research as possible to minimise that risk. Where you can gain a little extra is by being ahead of the curve, identify and pull the trigger, so you can get these players in and settled quicker. Levy is trying to play at the designer label table, but bringing budget items.

Agree the sentiment but £100m for Rice and Caicedo is a massive overpayment IMO

Depends on how much you believe they can elevate your team. Bayern have paid circa £100m for a player they could have had for free next year, but they’ve done it because he gives their team an edge right here and now they don’t currently have, and perhaps they don’t fancy their chances in an open market.
Arsenal know they have a soft underbelly, so they have paid north of £100m for a player who adds real energy and steel, yet still a touch of class on the ball. Also a leader, experienced, yet someone who can still be the heartbeat of their midfield for a decade. That doesn’t come cheap. Quality and experience usually come at a later age, so need replacing. Youth is cheaper and can be planned for the longer term, but you won’t see the step up in calibre straight away. To get the full package, ability, experience and youth, that comes at a premium, but ticks all the boxes. That’s why they paid so much.
Chelsea….. I’m not sure I’ll try and analyse that.

 

[KingNick]

All of those situations also aren't relatable either, especially as they were all multiple years ago now (bar Bissouma who I speak about in a minute). The former two were from Italy, with Juventus actively trying to get Bentancur out of their club and Bissouma was on a short contract, hence the much lower fee.

For example Chelsea are seeking 30m for Lewis Hall, who has played 12 premier league games.

There are 20 premier league teams who are rich compared to the average club on the continent, we are no more likely to spend big money on a player than the majority of them.

Chelsea won’t get close to that and I doubt that report is even true.
It’s easy to support an argument with unverified rumour.

the idea that you need to pay 80, 90, 100m+ plus to secure a certain level of player and it not be a gamble is clearly nonsense.

Gvardiol - another example of a world class player nowhere near the transfer fee of Caicedo.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

The itk thread is closed again what have you guys done now

 

[djhotspur]

The itk thread is closed again what have you guys done now

Hello my friend how are you

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Hello my friend how are you

Not happy the threads closed haha only kidding I’m good

 

[piedpiper]

Not the way I see it. We aren't there to make up the numbers, but we cannot go toe to toe financially with some clubs, we have to be smarter.

I'm not even convinced chelsea are that much stronger, despite the ridiculous spend.

They cannot replace kante in form.

Everything about how we handled the Kane sale and identifying a top end replacement confirms exactly my view... if we were ambitious and wanted to replace him we would be buying the Vlahovic or Randal Kuolo Mani( sp) and we would have made a high profile keeper signing too..... I've accepted its who we are.

 

[djhotspur]

Not happy the threads closed haha only kidding I’m good

Haha no one is… particularly as you may have some juicy information we all so desperately need

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Not happy the threads closed haha only kidding I’m good

Good .. so you chose the Orban-thread instead ?

 

[chas vs dave]

The itk thread is closed again what have you guys done now

Too many people now have transfer blue balls.

 

[djhotspur]

Everything about how we handled the Kane sale and identifying a top end replacement confirms exactly my view... if we were ambitious and wanted to replace him we would be buying the Vlahovic or Randal Kuolo Mani( sp) and we would have made a high profile keeper signing too..... I've accepted its who we are.

Exactly. We got to where we are through luck and getting a generational striker through our academy.
Unless you spend huge money it’s so difficult to compete unless you get lucky on some younger cheaper signings, arsenal have a perfect storm of having an arguably generational talent in Saka, they got very lucky saliba, Gabriel and martinelli who were all cheap young options came so good, and they took a risk on ode on loan which worked out, so we have to the same in terms of riskier high risk high reward signings to find more possible world class talents, particularly as we never seem to have a properly cohesive plan to improve the side using proper scouting and actually going out and signing our targets

 

[yawa]

 

[KingNick]

Everything about how we handled the Kane sale and identifying a top end replacement confirms exactly my view... if we were ambitious and wanted to replace him we would be buying the Vlahovic or Randal Kuolo Mani( sp) and we would have made a high profile keeper signing too..... I've accepted its who we are.

Agree with most of that. Other than the keeper comment. Possibly the most hit or miss position going. How much did Chelsea pay for Kepa? Did Onana look that good for United? I think we might have made a sensible
Decision there.

 

[KingNick]

Exactly. We got to where we are through luck and getting a generational striker through our academy.
Unless you spend huge money it’s so difficult to compete unless you get lucky on some younger cheaper signings, arsenal have a perfect storm of having an arguably generational talent in Saka, they got very lucky saliba, Gabriel and martinelli who were all cheap young options came so good, and they took a risk on ode on loan which worked out, so we have to the same in terms of riskier high risk high reward signings to find more possible world class talents, particularly as we never seem to have a properly cohesive plan to improve the side using proper scouting and actually going out and signing our targets

Much as I hate to say it, not sure “they” got lucky. Looks like good recruitment at an early stage and sensible developments plans. It possibly did work out better than they even hoped but at least it was part of a strategy and not “hit and hope” .

 

[parklane yid]

The itk thread is closed again what have you guys done now

It’s an absolute joke! Everyone gets punished for a select few.

 

[lukadownthelane]

I have no idea . It does smack of spurs looking for opportunities again.

Exactly. No plan for the football. Just hoping to collect assets that may add value.