Gift Orban

[THFC_is_my_life]

We’re being linked to Lautaro Martinez again, which could be another potential reason as to why we haven’t moved on Orban (this may also link to the ITK referencing more experienced options that were more pricey?). I’ve posted the link in the Martinez thread, but have no idea how to move to 2023 discussion forum

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Agree with everythink you say, however I'm sure Gift wouldn't take a Non Hg player this year because of his age?

He wouldn’t, his bday was only a few weeks ago. You can see my response above tho why it could still effect us moving for him in a roundabout way. That was more my overall point.

 

[SpursSince1980]

We’re being linked to Lautaro Martinez again, which could be another potential reason as to why we haven’t moved on Orban (this may also link to the ITK referencing more experienced options that were more pricey?). I’ve posted the link in the Martinez thread, but have no idea how to move to 2023 discussion forum

I'm a greedy git. Would take both!! But, Martinez seems like a fit for what we need right now. Gift is an unknown entity. Could go either way.

Plus, if we do manage to shift some players out, we should be spending big on another CB.

All being equal - not feeling optimistic about any more signings, as the powers in charge are struggling to make room in the squad.

Which is a pity, as players like this should be pursued. I suppose at this stage, they have to be open to potentially buying and loaning him back until January, to help the squad situation.

Who knows? It's been a really weird window.

 

[taidgh]

It’s an absolute joke! Everyone gets punished for a select few.

it's on us to self-moderate. except every time someone tries, there's others complaining that they're being thread police.

i agree that if there were some who habitually spam the itk thread, they should get banned. but it's not a few..it's loads. i'm sure the mods just feel it's simpler to lock the thread. eventually people will catch on (you'd hope).

 

[worcestersauce]

I think that’s wishful thinking, and ignoring the fact that WLB has said in this very thread that we need to move players on first.

It’s pretty clear we won’t see any signings until we’ve shifted the deadwood.

He didn't say this deal was directly dependant on that though.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

So am I right in thinking there can only be two takes on this:

1.) He is a player that will go straight into the first team squad and see minutes this season. In which case - pay the f*** up Levy you insane moron. Plus or minus £10m is chump change these days for a player of that calibre.

2.) He is a risk and one for the future and not worth northwards of £30m. In which case - why are we all here following this transfer? It should be a footnote on the business we need to do this summer and we should be talking about signings that will make an immediate impact.

 

[St José Dominguez]

We didn’t need to move on players before bringing in Maddison or VdV. I do find it pretty damn convenient that we basically spent exactly what we received for Kane and now is the moment we have to move players on before making more signings. It feels like we’re trying to raise funds for more signings more than just getting players off the books to me. If you include Porro and Kulu in the money spent, which you have to really, we may have already spent what Levy had budgeted Ange to have to spend this summer. We’re frustratingly close to actually having a pretty complete squad, not perfect obviously, but complete enough for Ange to have a really good go at his first season here.

 

[chas vs dave]

So am I right in thinking there can only be two takes on this:

1.) He is a player that will go straight into the first team squad and see minutes this season. In which case - pay the f*** up Levy you insane moron. Plus or minus £10m is chump change these days for a player of that calibre.

10m is chump change for a player who has 0 experience at spurs' level, or a comparable level?

 

[Russ1201]

We didn’t need to move on players before bringing in Maddison or VdV. I do find it pretty damn convenient that we basically spent exactly what we received for Kane and now is the moment we have to move players on before making more signings. It feels like we’re trying to raise funds for more signings more than just getting players off the books to me. If you include Porro and Kulu in the money spent, which you have to really, we may have already spent what Levy had budgeted Ange to have to spend this summer. We’re frustratingly close to actually having a pretty complete squad, not perfect obviously, but complete enough for Ange to have a really good go at his first season here.

Agree but conviently Levy probably included Kulu and Porro full transfer instead of the accounts showing the transfer allocated over the years of the contract.
Levy trying to pull the wool over our eyes again.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

10m is chump change for a player who has 0 experience at spurs' level, or a comparable level?

It's chump change for any player we've identified as slotting straight into the first team squad.

If he's so much of a risk that we're hesitating on that sort of money then that's fine - he's one for the future. But then it's extremely concerning that he's the main name being discussed at the moment after losing Kane and the season already starting.

 

[bigfrooj]

Maybe Ange has said “go the best deals you can for the best players you can get, we’re fine at the moment with the squad we have”?

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Maybe Ange has said “go the best deals you can for the best players you can get, we’re fine at the moment with the squad we have”?

we have just sold the world's best #9 and best #10...no way we are fine...

 

[Dazzazzad]

So am I right in thinking there can only be two takes on this:

1.) He is a player that will go straight into the first team squad and see minutes this season. In which case - pay the f*** up Levy you insane moron. Plus or minus £10m is chump change these days for a player of that calibre.

2.) He is a risk and one for the future and not worth northwards of £30m. In which case - why are we all here following this transfer? It should be a footnote on the business we need to do this summer and we should be talking about signings that will make an immediate impact.

I would imagine it's a bit more complicated than that. For a start probably a mix of these 2 options. A risk, one for the future, may be able to compete soon if he settles well.

Risky high upside choice probably being compared with the 2 other strikers were interested in. Evaluating risk vs reward. Feeling out the financials of each deal, the players mindsets, what Ange is discovering about his needs for the squad, any potential injury concerns (if Vlahovic is one of them for example) etc etc.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

He didn't say this deal was directly dependant on that though.

Gift falls within the U-21 registration for this season, and I understand he's not exclusively reliant on sales. However, we're facing the challenge of players receiving wages despite limited first-team playtime and taking up registration places. Striking the right balance is critical.

we cannot keep bringing players in without sales.

 

[cjsimba]

Surely the hit we might need to take on some player’s transfer values will be offset by saving on their wages?

I can’t believe we’re here yet again with DL. Penny wise pound foolish to the extreme

 

[Annekcma]

We didn’t need to move on players before bringing in Maddison or VdV. I do find it pretty damn convenient that we basically spent exactly what we received for Kane and now is the moment we have to move players on before making more signings. It feels like we’re trying to raise funds for more signings more than just getting players off the books to me. If you include Porro and Kulu in the money spent, which you have to really, we may have already spent what Levy had budgeted Ange to have to spend this summer. We’re frustratingly close to actually having a pretty complete squad, not perfect obviously, but complete enough for Ange to have a really good go at his first season here.

Foreign; 20 (3 over the limit) - Vicario, Lloris, Romero, Van De Ven, Dier, Sanchez, Reguilion, Porro, Royal, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, NDombele, Bissouma, Lo Celso, Perisic, Solomon, Son, Gil, Kulu, Richarilson

The reality is that we have a lot of foreign players taking up squad spaces. Lloris and Ndombele are the obvious ones to remove but after that it becomes more difficult. Ange seems to be overlooking Dier so he can be added. At the start of the summer I would have included Lo Celso and Sanchez to that list. But after their recent performances, does Ange want to give them more time?

My guess is that Lloris, Ndombele and Dier are on the 'out' list which brings us down to our limit. And Then further signings will only likely be possible if there is outward movement on another.

But as Orban is an under 21 this season he wouldn't be counted innthe above list. But it would become an issue next season.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

I would imagine it's a bit more complicated than that. For a start probably a mix of these 2 options. A risk, one for the future, may be able to compete soon if he settles well.

Risky high upside choice probably being compared with the 2 other strikers were interested in. Evaluating risk vs reward. Feeling out the financials of each deal, the players mindsets, what Ange is discovering about his needs for the squad, any potential injury concerns (if Vlahovic is one of them for example) etc etc.

We shouldn't be debating what the market value is. We should be debating what his value is to us.

If he's the chosen one (high risk or not) then we shouldn't be quibbling over £10m no matter how unproven he is.

If I bought a new TV then you can bet your ass I'll happily spend £15 on an HDMI lead to be able to use it today rather than piss about for days because the market value is £7.

 

[shoggy33]

Gift falls within the U-21 registration for this season, and I understand he's not exclusively reliant on sales. However, we're facing the challenge of players receiving wages despite limited first-team playtime and taking up registration places. Striking the right balance is critical.

we cannot keep bringing players in without sales.

There's nothing wrong with that in isolation, the issue is that the reason we have such a bloated squad in the first place is years of poor decision making, years of Levy trying to seek out bargains rather than players we actually need, and the complete inability to offload our deadwood.

 

[lukadownthelane]

Foreign; 20 (3 over the limit) - Vicario, Lloris, Romero, Van De Ven, Dier, Sanchez, Reguilion, Porro, Royal, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, NDombele, Bissouma, Lo Celso, Perisic, Solomon, Son, Gil, Kulu, Richarilson

The reality is that we have a lot of foreign players taking up squad spaces. Lloris and Ndombele are the obvious ones to remove but after that it becomes more difficult. Ange seems to be overlooking Dier so he can be added. At the start of the summer I would have included Lo Celso and Sanchez to that list. But after their recent performances, does Ange want to give them more time?

My guess is that Lloris, Ndombele and Dier are on the 'out' list which brings us down to our limit. And Then further signings will only likely be possible if there is outward movement on another.

But as Orban is an under 21 this season he wouldn't be counted innthe above list. But it would become an issue next season.

Regi would be another

 

[hughy]

Foreign; 20 (3 over the limit) - Vicario, Lloris, Romero, Van De Ven, Dier, Sanchez, Reguilion, Porro, Royal, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, NDombele, Bissouma, Lo Celso, Perisic, Solomon, Son, Gil, Kulu, Richarilson

The reality is that we have a lot of foreign players taking up squad spaces. Lloris and Ndombele are the obvious ones to remove but after that it becomes more difficult. Ange seems to be overlooking Dier so he can be added. At the start of the summer I would have included Lo Celso and Sanchez to that list. But after their recent performances, does Ange want to give them more time?

My guess is that Lloris, Ndombele and Dier are on the 'out' list which brings us down to our limit. And Then further signings will only likely be possible if there is outward movement on another.

But as Orban is an under 21 this season he wouldn't be counted innthe above list. But it would become an issue next season.

We can re-jig this in January right? If so for me the obvious three are Lloris, Ndombele and Gil, as Gil is going to be out until around November anyway. Plus he'd be 5th choice as one of our wide-forward options, so with no European football we shouldn't desperately miss him.