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Spurs_Q8

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let's analyze AVB from the start, and let's see if it's fair to call his sack or not:

Last season:

at the start of last season, we wasted 7 points at home against the likes of Norwich, WBA and Wigan. The Team wasn't well balanced in the wings, but after some games, the team did well and can't see mistakes from AVB, specially with Lloris-Friedel situation.. that's until our game vs Fulham (H) were he fucked all things wrong.
AVB overall performance was good, 72 pts (record) and i guess the difference from the Previous season, beating Man United in OT. IF it's not, then it's 69 pts, same to Redknapp final season.
Quarter Final in Europa league is good, it was very good to knock out Lyon, but the performance at Inter (while they are struggling in league) plus losing to Basel with full team is something should be considered too.

This season:

Everything was reasonable in terms of results until that disaster against West Ham (H) .. Now things looking worse after losing to Newcastle at (H) too, with Manchester clubs coming next, I doubt that getting more than 3 points (at best) , probably 1 or 2 or 3, this won't help us to push Arsenal, where we should be able to do this year. So we could ended up mid-table, despite spending more than £100M in transfer market.
The reasons behind this, he isn't very detailed, he is just philosophizing, Lamela is top class player, club record, can't get League minutes.

His approach very superficial, he plays right footed on left, and left footed on right, this is understandable, but you can't do that all time, you can't do that all players. Just because Sigurdsson scored some decent goals from there, that's doesn't make him LW. He had no pace, not the best skills, his best position to be AM, probably can do a job on LW as bencher, probably that's suit some games away from home, but doing that so often become boring.
Yesterday, we've Vertonghen and him in Left side. That's was so funny, to have 8 players from 10 players who all used to like play in center positions.

And his treatment for Lamela is just Provocative, starting from Chelsea game by particular, why on the earth feilding Chaldi ( on right even - against his approach !! ) when he was out for long.. in that game after very awful start in 2nd half, I expected Sandro & Lamela, yet he brought exactly the wrong players !! Then subs him - Lamela - in Carling cup and Europa league games, not giving him a fair chance to adapt playing for us, then he complains that he isn't ready etc..

AND the way Townsend playing in current moment, not sure Andross offer more communicative skills, he is playing lonely, I remember some players were annoyed by some of his shots, and he run at opponents while there are mates available so much often.. he is forcing himself sometimes to cross several times by his right foot, Many shots were just poor. from 8-10 efforts during the game, just because 2 were good, doesn't make him on form, specially when he had average product.
some small statistics via Fantasy PL, Towsend played 880 minuts (most 2nd player from Midfield, scored 1, assisted 1) And Lamela played just 72 minuts !! ( and assisted 1 too !! )
Our best goals, were against Swansea, Cardiff & Chelsea, were all of these goals Townsend wasn't involved in making the goal.
surely Townsend had potential, but he had to learn to play as team, and AVB just need to treat him as other player, not thinking in a way ''I can introduce a player to the world!!''

also.. stop using Walker & Vertonghen so much in cups, giving them no chance to rest, and no need to play Vertonghen so much on LB, he could reduce 'too much competition' in the three play making positions behind striker by giving Townsend a rule on LB in cups, or when we are behind, like yesterday or West Ham (2nd half changes) ..

AVB is offer nothing at this moment, everything is just wrong. There is no style of football, we are waiting for a moments or set-pieces. def. we didn't invest that much to get that and this isn't what can the squad do.
 
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CowInAComa

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So we can have another season of transition? I thought you were bored of being a team in transition?

How about we back the manager rather than sacking him after the first sign of trouble?

The international break is going to be painful on this forum.

wasnt actually what i was saying. I was replying to the poster who suggested that we sack managers willy-nilly, when the vast majority of the time they are sacked because they almost all come up short for one reason or another. If we manage to ever get a manager who brings us some success he wont be sacked. (and doesnt completely antagonise the chairman. Redknapp)

AvB is not at the sacking point yet by a long way. But if we continue in this vein over the rest of the season he will almost certainly be.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Add to that the recent comments made by Dembele in the Belgian press abt being upset with his lack of starts,Gomes in the Brazilian press stating his intention to go home,constant whining by Defoe abt his lack of starts in the EPL

If things don't change then I definitely see the likes of Vertonghen,Lloris and Paulinho leaving us next season cause such quality players deserve the CL

link?
 

dagraham

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I don't buy into AVB's vision or the way he sets his teams up but calling for him to be removed is crazy. We have to at least let him see out the season and see how it plays out (unless things go Ramos style).

I certainly wouldn't be offering a new contract though as he's done nothing yet imo to show he merits it. Talk of record points totals last season mean nothing. Bale got us that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
 

mattstev2000

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or just get a manager who does a good job?

I agree. Fire the loser and replace him with a good manager. Maybe someone who can get our highest ever points total, attract big name signings and, despite struggling to integrate a whole new squad, produce one of the best starts to a premier league season we've had.
 

hodsgod

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So we can have another season of transition? I thought you were bored of being a team in transition?

How about we back the manager rather than sacking him after the first sign of trouble?

The international break is going to be painful on this forum.

I thought exactly the same when Hoddle was sacked after just having spent money in the transfer window, similarly when Jol was sacked after two 5th places, and then once again when Harry was sacked after two 4th place finishes and a CL quarter final.

One thing to notice is despite the sackings and despite the idiot managers that came in and aren't mentioned, we have been generally improving. We haven't been continuously in transition at all. If you go back and look at the impact of Jol and Harry, they improved the club instantly, no transition at all.

If AVB isn't working he should go and go quickly, that's up to Levy of course.
 

Spurs_Bear

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As much as I have got the camel with AVB at the moment, I think we'll do well against the two Mancs.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I don't buy into AVB's vision or the way he sets his teams up but calling for him to be removed is crazy. We have to at least let him see out the season and see how it plays out (unless things go Ramos style).

I certainly wouldn't be offering a new contract though as he's done nothing yet imo to show he merits it. Talk of record points totals last season mean nothing. Bale got us that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

So who got us our best ever prem start ever then? I suppose that was down to other factors as well?

How about we have no manager at all? seeing that all the points we are getting are in spite of AVB.
 

dagraham

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So who got us our best ever prem start ever then? I suppose that was down to other factors as well?

How about we have no manager at all? seeing that all the points we are getting are in spite of AVB.

I'm talking about last season, not this one. Hence the fact that I think this is the season to judge him on.
 

mattdefoe

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We had our best start ever after 5 games and we were all buzzing despite the lack of goals... But now it has carried on it is concerning.

Craig burley just said on the tv is AVB a fraud.... Porto he had falcoa, hulk, moutinho... Chelsea failed and at spurs he did no better than redknapp in the league and that's with gareth bale at his best ( debate is did AVB help bale push on to become that player ...)

Now AVB has brought in a load of players ... Is this because he is covering all angles , what did he really achieve in Porto and average league ..

CAN anyone name a game he has tactically out mastered the other manager ? Where we have wok convincingly in the premier league because of AVB tactics ..

A massive part of coaching/managing a side it to motivate players to play for you and the club. Does AVB have this quality , what does he bring as a manager besides some intelligent words and excellent English .

I'm not so sure I think he's inherited a good squad and has not improved it any more than what Harry would of .

That's my thoughts . Harry would of played a third squad in the Europa and we wouldn't be having these problems

To add on can AVB mix things up can he only play the high line. I'm pretty sure we hang on to a lot of wins
 

Gb160

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I'm not so sure I think he's inherited a good squad and has not improved it any more than what Harry would of .

That's my thoughts . Harry would of played a third squad in the Europa and we wouldn't be having these problems
Yeah, I can't fathom a single reason why this would be an acceptable approach to undertake......
I mean it's almost like he's getting these players used to playing in Europe midweek,and then in the domestic league at the weekend....you name me one team who has ever done well in Europe and in their domestic league at the same time?......

Jesus Christ.
 

strader

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Everybody needs to calm down. The league is tight and everyone is capable of dropping points. It isn't great right now but AVB has proven he can get results like last season. I too want to see him make some changes to the team but sacking him now would (quite rightly) make us a laughing stock.

AVB didn't get the results last season, we were BALED out on quite a few occasions, however did team wasn't that much exciting if bale was taking out of the equation hence the display this season.
 

Spurs_Bear

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CAN anyone name a game he has tactically out mastered the other manager ? Where we have wok convincingly in the premier league because of AVB tactics ..

Man City at home was a good example, but it was more about opening the game up, allowing our pace (Bale) to run at them and Huddlestone to try a longer range of passing.
 

Dan Yeats

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I'd give him a new 5-year contract and a commitment that he keeps his job no matter what (barring relegation) for the first three of it.

You'd think that football clubs would have learned from the Alex Ferguson narrative, but no one seems to have done so.
 

parklane1

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I agree. Fire the loser and replace him with a good manager. Maybe someone who can get our highest ever points total, attract big name signings and, despite struggling to integrate a whole new squad, produce one of the best starts to a premier league season we've had.

This, and when the kneejerkers start bitching because we are not top of the table after a dozen games we can sack him as well. Too many FIFA managers thinking than sucess is easy.
 

Khilari

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Not yet. 4th should be a minimum this season. I do think he needs supporting in the January TW with a striker. But I can't imagine we'll sign anyone of any note.
 

Spurger King

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Yeah, I can't fathom a single reason why this would be an acceptable approach to undertake......
I mean it's almost like he's getting these players used to playing in Europe midweek,and then in the domestic league at the weekend....you name me one team who has ever done well in Europe and in their domestic league at the same time?......

Jesus Christ.

Well that's going to prove to be a massive waste of time at the end of the season.
 
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