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Lucky22

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With our season effectively over, I thought I'd offer a my thoughts (for what they are worth) on our future plans.

This season has been very Tottenham – a real roller-coaster of emotions offering plenty to talk about. The Carling Cup success has given us a glimpse of what we are capable of, as has performances against ManU and Arsenal in both league and cup. Yet our league form under Ramos has been a bit hit or miss (it was pointed out to me by Allygold that Ramos was in a similar situation to when Jol took over from Santini and the results in the league were very different, which is in itself an interesting point).

But despite the erratic form, I can see plenty of positives, and I hope the board stick to their guns over the summer and retain the structure of buying players in young and moulding them. While I don't think we will ever 'do a Leeds' I think our financial prudence in the transfer market must continue. While I believe we have yet to see the best of Darren Bent, it is already clear that we paid well over the odds for him. Hopefully, it is a case of once bitten twice shy.

While I don't have the opportunity to watch the reserves, the reports are always encouraging. To see the likes of Tom Huddlestone. Jamie O'Hara and Adel Taarabat involved in the first team is more than encouraging, while others like Archibald-Henville have made the bench. By all accounts we have others waiting in the wings. This is something I think we need to continue build on.

However, the difficulty arises between finding quality replacements for the many players we are expected to shift out this season with the need to ensure we don't start paying over the odds because we have a few pounds.

The predicted loss of Berbatov will leave a huge gap and clearly we want to replace that with a quality player, yet we will obviously be hit with the problem that other cubs will know we have just received a hefty (and potentially record-breaking) fee for our beloved Bulgarian.

Realistically, players such as Woodgate, Hutton, Jenas and Keane are the only real certainties for a starting place next term, and even some of those are highly debatable. Berbatov is an obvious addition to that list if he remains at WHL while you could also include a fit-again King and Bale, but that leaves a lot of room for improvement and in key areas.

I think we need to build from within, rather than throwing money at the problem. Man United continue to produce promising youngsters and while the number making it to the first team has dwindled, they are of a standard that they still can demand a half-decent transfer fee. It still has to be remembered that the Ferguson's lot started onto the road of success with their 'team of youngsters'

Although the results are still to be seen, Chelsea have repeatedly stated that they want to bring their players through the youth team ranks and that was one of the reasons why they nabbed Frank from us. Liverpool, too, have been buying young players who have yet to be included in the first team yet they clearly have a long-term plan. Then there is the successful treadmill of talent at Arsenal.

While they are called a young side, the real key is that out of practically every player in Arsenal's starting XI none arrived into English football after 2005, with around nine being either at Arsenal (or Chelsea, in Gallas's case) in 2004. That is why they are so comfortable with our game and that is why they make the transition to the first team so smoothly.

It is this type of forward-thinking mentality that I think we have at Tottenham but, after at least three seasons of building, I believe we must start seeing the results next season – but only if the board stick to their guns.

The January transfer window offered some insight into that. We bought Hutton (who I doubt Ramos knew about and so was picked up because of our scouting system) and Gunter, who highlighted the youth buying policy. But alongside that we brought in the experience of Woodgate and Gilberto, which goes against the previous trends and possibly signals a change in tact. As we don't know who engineered the moves (Comolli, Ramos or a combination of both) then it is difficult to judge, but for once we filled a problem position (Woodgate), found a gem in Hutton and also looked ahead. Hopefully, this balance will continue in the summer.

These are interesting times at the Lane and my belief is that, next season, Levy's insistence on the Director of Football structure will begin to bear fruition on the pitch. The club have worked hard to develop an all-encompassing structure and to ensure that no matter who the manager is, that the 'system' is not tampered with. Transfers, too, have had an air of forward-thinking about them since Levy took over.

In Ramos we have the manager that Commoli and Levy worked so hard to get and now have the man who should be the final piece in a very complicated puzzle. He's had time to bed himself in and look closely at the players he has at his disposal while also implementing his own systems and methods.

It has all the ingredients for success. Let's hope that is the case.
 

nickspurs

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Good post. I think it's a fair assessment.

As I've said before I agree that the transfer policy has evolved both in terms of:
a) complementing youth with more (expensive) experience and
b) involving the coach in the selection process rather than just the DoF

As you say, it will be Ramos' first full season and he'll have had the chance to do his learning this season plus some more cash in the summer. However one thing we can be sure of is that the pressure will now be 100% on for him to be pushing the top 4.

He's a great coach. I have faith.
 

Bingy

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Good articles...

I may be an eternal optimist but I, again, can see no reason that we should not be REAL contenders for that top 4 finish next season. I long for the return of the 'old Glory days' and, in Ramos, we have the best man to bring them back...sooner rather than later.

That said....there are several teams (in a similar position to us) who are harboring equally optimistic expectations for the comming term. I do, however, have a real feeling that we are ready to step up (at long last lol) to take our place at the CL table. It may all depend on who comes in and who goes out....but, all in all, we are entitled to dream...even if it is looking like reality COYS!
 

chinaman

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I too think that young players must be played when the results don't matter, that is now. Would like to see the likes of Kaboul, Boateng, Taarabt, Rose, Archibald-Henville, Dawkins and Pekhart given at least 3 games each.
 

Legend10

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I would certainly like to see Danny Rose being involved between now and the end of the season.

I really liked what I saw of him in the reserve game against Arsenal and he certainly dispelled my concerns as to whether he would be up to the physical side of the game. He looks to have all the attributes of a 1st team player and I would like to see him get some experience (even as a substitute) of the demands of the Premiership before this season is out.
 

yanno

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I would certainly like to see Danny Rose being involved between now and the end of the season.

I really liked what I saw of him in the reserve game against Arsenal and he certainly dispelled my concerns as to whether he would be up to the physical side of the game. He looks to have all the attributes of a 1st team player and I would like to see him get some experience (even as a substitute) of the demands of the Premiership before this season is out.

As a CM? Which is where he played against the goon stiffs?

I've been surprized that pretty much every time Danny Rose has lined up for the ressies, he seems to have played CM rather than LM - which is where we have a crying need for a left-footed player with pace who can cross the ball (aka young Danny, at least judging by his YouTube clips)....
 

ultimateloner

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Agree with the post but don't think our young players are ready.

I don't think throwing them into a Prem game is neccesarily going to help unless:

1) They are really ready to deliver and compete.
2) IF above is true as in the case of O'Hara, then they need a run of games and not just random appereances.

Above all immediate results matter - we can't throw away chances to win in the name of nurturing youth.
 

Kendall

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Our reserves have been pretty meh, especially when compared with last season and the season before.

So the question is, if last season's reserves didn't really break through (I'm talking Routledge, Barnard, Ifil, Yeates etc...), are this season's ready? willy they ever make it?

People were quick to write those other 4 off, but they are better than anything I've seen from the current crop, Rose aside.
 

PT

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If we play the game like the top four do, we;d blood the kids in the League Cup - in fact Dervitte fot a run out earlier this season. The problem there is we still see that trophy as a viable route to European football, rather than the marathon of steady results that is the premiership top five position.

We can't afford to sling in two or three of our second string while we can't keep a steady ship with our first eleven. The confidence would be shot if we took a pasting.
 

Kendall

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That was last season for dervitte!

Does that really work for clubs other than arsenal though? United, Chelsea and Liverpool, for example, have had little success in blooding kids in in the cups.
 

Legend10

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As a CM? Which is where he played against the goon stiffs?

I've been surprized that pretty much every time Danny Rose has lined up for the ressies, he seems to have played CM rather than LM - which is where we have a crying need for a left-footed player with pace who can cross the ball (aka young Danny, at least judging by his YouTube clips)....


no I would like to see him play on the left side even if its only 20 minutes here and there.

He hasn't played LM for the stiffs, he seems to play in the centre with the occasional foray up front. He may well 1 day develop into a 1st team central midfield player but at the moment some time on the left hand side would be nice to see.

It really surprised me how spikey he is, I think that is a really good sign.
 

truespur

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no I would like to see him play on the left side even if its only 20 minutes here and there.

He hasn't played LM for the stiffs, he seems to play in the centre with the occasional foray up front. He may well 1 day develop into a 1st team central midfield player but at the moment some time on the left hand side would be nice to see.

It really surprised me how spikey he is, I think that is a really good sign.

im also suprised as most of the times i had seen Rose play before he joined us he was on the left, flying down the wing, getting assists and scoring.
and i feel that if rose is going to make it at spurs he will have to be played on the wing
 

eddiebailey

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I suspect that part of the reason Rose is playing CM is that we have a glut of young wingers and hardly any reserve CMs. But there may also be some thinking that it is an opportunity to work on other aspects of his game so that he becomes a more complete player.

As far as the main posts goes there are really not that many reserves making a case for first team footie at the moment. There are a few who could be thrown in at a pinch, but most would benefit from a loan move to prepare them properly for first team football.
 

paul_1979yid

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Pekhart and Rose.

I think they should at least get a chance on the bench for the final few games of the season.

People are talikng about IF we need to BUY a 4th striker but why not try Pekhart???:shrug:
 

eddiebailey

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People are talikng about IF we need to BUY a 4th striker but why not try Pekhart???:shrug:

Because he is not ready and may never be so.

I do not know how much you have seen of Pekhart, but most of the enthusiasm for him seems to come from those who have yet to see the big lump play. Of our reserve strikers I personally prefer Dawkins, who has a touch of the Linekers about him, but I would be nervous seeing him turn out for our first team, at least not without a spell on loan under his belt.

We do not present have a Lee Barnard figure who could comfortably step up and do a job if one of two of the three main strikers were injured. Nor do we have an attacking midfield player in the Andy Reid/Mark Yeates mould who could play off the main striker. Taarabt is not ready and Lennon does not have the scoring boots (and we would in any case miss the width he brings). We would probably have to use Steed, but I have difficulty imaging him in the second striker role.

I have always argued that four into two does not go, and that we should aim for three strikers capable of playing in any combination, but we do need back up. What we should be looking for his a youngster who is coring lots of goals in League One and who would welcome a chance in the Premiership on the understanding that he would not get more than a handful of starts. As Jondesouza has pointed out there is a lad at Southend who would fit the bill, but he might be getting a bit old for benchsitting now...
 

petewise

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I would like to see Taarabt being given a chance, and also, Pekhart and Rose as they have decent reputations. However, the coaching staff know best. Everyone raved about Barnard for a season, but turns out he wasn't that good after all. They are the best people to judge and I would rather see us go for 10th. I know it isn't that important, but psychologically a top half finish is important.
 
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