Greaves Family Upset

[Krule]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ly-ask-great-goalscorer-still-yet-recognised/

They do have a point....my ultimate hero....be nice if something was done whilst he's still with us...

 

[dbdd]

numero uno

 

[bomberH]

Agree with the son but no need really to bring Kane into it, the way he mentioned us not winning anything isn’t really necessary.

I’ve seen lots of this shit lately. The reason Kane got an MBE is because he captained an England team that got to a semi finals of a World Cup for the first time in 30 odd years, and came away with the golden boot. It brought the country together for a few weeks in a way that no other sport can do. All that aside, Kane has scored loads of goals for his club and is a great role model for kids. But mainly it’s the England thing.

It shouldn’t be about why Kane got it, it should be about why Greaves hasn’t. And it’s a horrendous oversight on the FA’s part that he hasn’t had anything named etc in his honour. I believe that if Greaves has played for Utd or Liverpool with that England record and league goal scoring record, he probably would’ve been honoured 20/30 years ago. And I’m not saying that in a conspiracy type way, I just mean that calls for medals like MBE have been more popular over the last 20/30 years, coinciding with us ‘dipping’ as a big club.

Wouldn’t have been the worst idea to have a statue of Greaves outside the new stadium. Kane and Poch will both have statues at some point in the future.....

 

[rez9000]

Agree with the son but no need really to bring Kane into it, the way he mentioned us not winning anything isn’t really necessary.

I’ve seen lots of this shit lately. The reason Kane got an MBE is because he captained an England team that got to a semi finals of a World Cup for the first time in 30 odd years, and came away with the golden boot. It brought the country together for a few weeks in a way that no other sport can do. All that aside, Kane has scored loads of goals for his club and is a great role model for kids. But mainly it’s the England thing.

It shouldn’t be about why Kane got it, it should be about why Greaves hasn’t. And it’s a horrendous oversight on the FA’s part that he hasn’t had anything named etc in his honour. I believe that if Greaves has played for Utd or Liverpool with that England record and league goal scoring record, he probably would’ve been honoured 20/30 years ago. And I’m not saying that in a conspiracy type way, I just mean that calls for medals like MBE have been more popular over the last 20/30 years, coinciding with us ‘dipping’ as a big club.

Wouldn’t have been the worst idea to have a statue of Greaves outside the new stadium. Kane and Poch will both have statues at some point in the future.....

Agree with every word and would add that I think Establishment thinking is another contributing factor. The FA is a a quintessential Establishment organisation and the Establishment protects itself. The FA may not have any influence on who gets honoured, but the fact that Jimmy was critical of them in the past will have made him undesirable.

To be honest, the honours system is an outmoded system of patronage which is long past its sell-by date, but while it exists, then Jimmy Greaves should justifiably have had one by now.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Agree with the son but no need really to bring Kane into it, the way he mentioned us not winning anything isn’t really necessary.

I’ve seen lots of this shit lately. The reason Kane got an MBE is because he captained an England team that got to a semi finals of a World Cup for the first time in 30 odd years, and came away with the golden boot. It brought the country together for a few weeks in a way that no other sport can do. All that aside, Kane has scored loads of goals for his club and is a great role model for kids. But mainly it’s the England thing.

It shouldn’t be about why Kane got it, it should be about why Greaves hasn’t. And it’s a horrendous oversight on the FA’s part that he hasn’t had anything named etc in his honour. I believe that if Greaves has played for Utd or Liverpool with that England record and league goal scoring record, he probably would’ve been honoured 20/30 years ago. And I’m not saying that in a conspiracy type way, I just mean that calls for medals like MBE have been more popular over the last 20/30 years, coinciding with us ‘dipping’ as a big club.

Wouldn’t have been the worst idea to have a statue of Greaves outside the new stadium. Kane and Poch will both have statues at some point in the future.....

It's very, very shitty bringing Kane and Tottenham into it but that's the headline grab, right? I'm sure Harry, like the rest of us, feels that Jimmy Greaves should have had an honour by now. Absolute legend.

 

[Dennism]

These honours are just a ridiculous anachronism. They have previously been used to reward loyal members of the establishment but have been increasingly used to generate support for the royal family and/or government. However, the omission of Jimmy Greaves is just typical of the system. He is just not seen as the right sort of chap. Far too controversial. They are not interested in his ability, personality, spark or character. They want the likes of Beckham, who appears to spend most of his time licking the royal arse. Let these royal nonentities rot in hell, none of them are fit to lick your boots Jimmy.

 

[riggi]

Agree with the son but no need really to bring Kane into it, the way he mentioned us not winning anything isn’t really necessary.

I’ve seen lots of this shit lately. The reason Kane got an MBE is because he captained an England team that got to a semi finals of a World Cup for the first time in 30 odd years, and came away with the golden boot. It brought the country together for a few weeks in a way that no other sport can do. All that aside, Kane has scored loads of goals for his club and is a great role model for kids. But mainly it’s the England thing.

It shouldn’t be about why Kane got it, it should be about why Greaves hasn’t. And it’s a horrendous oversight on the FA’s part that he hasn’t had anything named etc in his honour. I believe that if Greaves has played for Utd or Liverpool with that England record and league goal scoring record, he probably would’ve been honoured 20/30 years ago. And I’m not saying that in a conspiracy type way, I just mean that calls for medals like MBE have been more popular over the last 20/30 years, coinciding with us ‘dipping’ as a big club.

Wouldn’t have been the worst idea to have a statue of Greaves outside the new stadium. Kane and Poch will both have statues at some point in the future.....

Nah.

 

[nailsy]

I'm not sure how he would get one of the honours now. It says on the website that they must still be actively involved in what you’re nominating them for.

I'm sure there's ways around it, but it doesn't look like anyone on here could nominate him.

 

[TheChosenOne]

The Mail had this earlier today ..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...reaves-medical-bills-club-embrace-legend.html

 

[Bobbins]

The honours system is an absolute joke.

A mate of mine worked for the government department responsible for supporting the delivery of the Olympics. His main job was to generate funding through sponsorship and advertising etc. He did do a good job and did generate lots of funding.

He got a fucking OBE for that, at the age of 33. For literally doing his actual job. The actual Prince of Wales put a little medal on his chest in a silly ceremony named after an institution that doesn't even exist any more because he came into work for a while and did what he was paid to do. I was utterly incredulous when he told me, thought he was winding me up for weeks until I saw the pictures and the silly medal.

Civil servants all over the shop get honours just for hanging around for years doing next to fuck all, sportspeople get it for doing effectively nothing (I don't buy that there's any justifiable reason Kane gets an MBE at 25 for effectively nothing at all, especially not for making it so some people could go and get pissed and chuck cheap lager around in the air a few times over the course of a summer), celebs and others get titles and knighthoods and little medals basically just for being famous or mates with the right MP's.

Of course Greavsie should've had something years ago, the man was a record breaker and did things no-one else has come close to matching. He's clearly not the right "face" with the right people. Kane getting one ahead of him is like an actual spoof.

 

[arnoldlayne]

The honours system is an absolute joke.

A mate of mine worked for the government department responsible for supporting the delivery of the Olympics. His main job was to generate funding through sponsorship and advertising etc. He did do a good job and did generate lots of funding.

He got a fucking OBE for that, at the age of 33. For literally doing his actual job. The actual Prince of Wales put a little medal on his chest in a silly ceremony named after an institution that doesn't even exist any more because he came into work for a while and did what he was paid to do. I was utterly incredulous when he told me, thought he was winding me up for weeks until I saw the pictures and the silly medal.

Civil servants all over the shop get honours just for hanging around for years doing next to fuck all, sportspeople get it for doing effectively nothing (I don't buy that there's any justifiable reason Kane gets an MBE at 25 for effectively nothing at all, especially not for making it so some people could go and get pissed and chuck cheap lager around in the air a few times over the course of a summer), celebs and others get titles and knighthoods and little medals basically just for being famous or mates with the right MP's.

Of course Greavsie should've had something years ago, the man was a record breaker and did things no-one else has come close to matching. He's clearly not the right "face" with the right people. Kane getting one ahead of him is like an actual spoof.

Similar for Bill Nicholson

The entire honours system is a distraction and hence method of control of the masses. Feudalism continuing to control society

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

I get his point and agree with him, but the way he’s going about it is wrong. Comes across as a bit of a twat tbh. Absolutely no reason for him to dig out Kane, who names Greaves as one of his heroes, and Spurs, who have done loads to support the family.

 

[Gassin's finest]

The Greaves I hear/read about and see the old classic footage of, has never tallied up with tashy bloke off the telly on Saints and Greavsie. Seems like a different person, and has always seemed somewhat bitter. I get that he has definitely had his demons with alcoholism after the World Cup.

 

[spud]

I believe that if Greaves has played for Utd or Liverpool with that England record and league goal scoring record, he probably would’ve been honoured 20/30 years ago. And I’m not saying that in a conspiracy type way, I just mean that calls for medals like MBE have been more popular over the last 20/30 years, coinciding with us ‘dipping’ as a big club.

I've always thought it anomalous that the first manager to win the European Cup for an english team and the winner of the 'treble' both got knighthoods, but the man who managed the first 'double' winners of the twentieth century and the first english team to win a european trophy didn't.

 

[arnoldlayne]

I've always thought it anomalous that the first manager to win the European Cup for an english team and the winner of the 'treble' both got knighthoods, but the man who managed the first 'double' winners of the twentieth century and the first english team to win a european trophy didn't.

Probably Mike Dean's Dad on the selection panel

 

[JimmyG2]

Fuck 'em Jimmy
my hero from way back.

As Groucho Marx said:
I wouldn't want to be a member of any club
that would have me as a member.

 

[easley91]

It's not the person receiving its fault. Like they are going to turn it down? They choose who they choose. Much like the WWE Hall of Fame. Certain people are not in that really should be, and I have seen hate towards those who are put in yet they were offered it. It should be more about those who haven't been considered, not those who have.

 

[ardiles&villa]

The Greaves I hear/read about and see the old classic footage of, has never tallied up with tashy bloke off the telly on Saints and Greavsie. Seems like a different person, and has always seemed somewhat bitter. I get that he has definitely had his demons with alcoholism after the World Cup.

I met the man, he was a gentleman. Said it how it was and people didn’t like him for it but ultimately he was great as a player and as a person

 

[Gassin's finest]

I've recently been re-reading Soccer in Sun and Shadow, where the wonderful Eduardo Galeano extols lovingly and lyrically about the beautiful game. I posted his excerpt about the goalkeeper in the Hugo thread, and this morning I rediscovered this short passage:

 

[isaac94]

If any former player deserves a statue its Jimmy, lets give him one!