Harry & Jamie

[MagicAlex]

There's been a lot of stick given to Harry over the last few months in regards to his supposed negativity in regards to our squad, but his comments regarding Jamie O'Hara over the last week have confirmed my faith that the man truly cares about our future.

HR "He left here in tears last year. He feels for the club, is part of the club. I've been impressed with him as a player and a person, a terrific fella and great lad, and I was pleased that he played a part in the day."

Our problem recently is that we've chased players who's ambitions were not to do well for Spurs but for themselves. i hope that Harry can build a team next year of players who want to fight for the jersey. A cliche admittedly, but i can handle defeat, failure even, but not a team with no passion or fight...

 

[spurs mental]

Its funny, there's only a few players in our current crop who I could see fighting for the jersey and playing with a passion that we need.
O'Hara, Dawson, King, Woody, Ekotto, Lennon(maybe) Keane, Defoe(maybe) and Bentley.

Only reason I have Bentley in there is because we know he's a Spurs fan (allegedly) and if he loves the club as much as some of us do, he'd be willing to fight for the club and feel a burning fire in his heart every time he gets to put the jersey on. I really hope we get to see the best of him before the season is out, cos I dont want him to be sold.

 

[ginol@14]

once again bentley is a childhood man utd fan
he went to school with a few of my mates
all his mates bar 2 of them are massive spurs fans , he does love the club but his first love is man u
i dont think that has anything to do with his miss yesterday though , it was just bad luck/nerves

 

[freeeki]

Its funny, there's only a few players in our current crop who I could see fighting for the jersey and playing with a passion that we need.
O'Hara, Dawson, King, Woody, Ekotto, Lennon(maybe) Keane, Defoe(maybe) and Bentley.

Yup, + Zokora and Gunter.

 

[yusrisafri]

Ohara fights for everything, he wears his heart on his sleeve, but he's not good enough. And if he's not good enough, he should not make the 1st team, thats how the team should be chosen, not based on sentiments, which was clearly the case when he came on.

Last night, whenever the opponents blocked him from going to his left, you could see he immediately did not know what to do, and had to pass back to defence, and on one of such occasion, he nearly cost us the match.

I'm sorry, I admire his guts and heart, but to be a great team, players playing with heart alone is not enough.

 

[SpursMad]

Last night, whenever the opponents blocked him from going to his left, you could see he immediately did not know what to do, and had to pass back to defence, and on one of such occasion, he nearly cost us the match.

This is very true. He's like me with my left leg. I tell people it is there just balance me out. It serves no real purpose on the field.

I think we need a character like O'hara on the team. He brings a work ethic that does get others fired up. Remember Michael Brown a few years ago? He wasn't the best but take care of the garbage and do the dirty work. Which is something we have sorely missed.

 

[There's always next year]

Ohara fights for everything, he wears his heart on his sleeve, but he's not good enough. And if he's not good enough, he should not make the 1st team, thats how the team should be chosen, not based on sentiments, which was clearly the case when he came on.

Last night, whenever the opponents blocked him from going to his left, you could see he immediately did not know what to do, and had to pass back to defence, and on one of such occasion, he nearly cost us the match.

I'm sorry, I admire his guts and heart, but to be a great team, players playing with heart alone is not enough.

Spot on. Eleven Jamie O'Hara's will never, ever take this club forward. The guy may love the club, but so does Bobby Davro. Are we shouting for him to be selected, just bcause he wears the club on his sleeve.

How many of the Arsenal team are fans.. probably none, but that never stops them from doing better than us year after year. The reason being is that they are better players, technically, phyiscally and mentally.

 

[steve]

Spot on. Eleven Jamie O'Hara's will never, ever take this club forward. The guy may love the club, but so does Bobby Davro. Are we shouting for him to be selected, just bcause he wears the club on his sleeve.

How many of the Arsenal team are fans.. probably none, but that never stops them from doing better than us year after year. The reason being is that they are better players, technically, phyiscally and mentally.

Ohara fights for everything, he wears his heart on his sleeve, but he's not good enough. And if he's not good enough, he should not make the 1st team, thats how the team should be chosen, not based on sentiments, which was clearly the case when he came on.

Last night, whenever the opponents blocked him from going to his left, you could see he immediately did not know what to do, and had to pass back to defence, and on one of such occasion, he nearly cost us the match.

I'm sorry, I admire his guts and heart, but to be a great team, players playing with heart alone is not enough.

O'Hara IS good enough for the club without doubt. If he wasn't he wouldn't be playing. Technically the only better midfield passer we have, long and short range is Huddlestone. The problem he has was highlighted in our last two games. He needs to play in central midfield as he did against Donetsk when he was better than Palacios.
He isn't quick enough or tricky enough to play on the wing as people have highlighted and when he does play in a central 2 or 3 he has his best games (remember his debut vs Arsenal?).

Long term he'll become a central midfielder in the Gareth Barry mold (who isn't quick either) and will sit in front of the back 4 and spray the ball around. He's only 21 (I think) and will continue to improve without doubt. His attitude is obviously fantastic and he loves the club and more importantly the game and will work continously to improve his own. I'm glad he's here and I'm glad the manager backs him. I think some people will be eating their words in a few years time.....

 

[SlickMongoose]

I agree with Steve. I think O'Hara is worth his place at the moment, and also has a lot of room for improvement. He clearly does have great technical ability, much greater than Michael Brown did.

And keep in mind that without him it would have been Burnley vs Utd in that final.

 

[spurslenny]

yup. agree with steve's point.

O'hara and Palacios could work well as a midfield partnership. Combative and agressive with good balance.

Something our midfield has been sorely lacking since Davids, Tainio and Carrick left

 

[There's always next year]

O'Hara IS good enough for the club without doubt. If he wasn't he wouldn't be playing. Technically the only better midfield passer we have, long and short range is Huddlestone. The problem he has was highlighted in our last two games. He needs to play in central midfield as he did against Donetsk when he was better than Palacios.
He isn't quick enough or tricky enough to play on the wing as people have highlighted and when he does play in a central 2 or 3 he has his best games (remember his debut vs Arsenal?).

Long term he'll become a central midfielder in the Gareth Barry mold (who isn't quick either) and will sit in front of the back 4 and spray the ball around. He's only 21 (I think) and will continue to improve without doubt. His attitude is obviously fantastic and he loves the club and more importantly the game and will work continously to improve his own. I'm glad he's here and I'm glad the manager backs him. I think some people will be eating their words in a few years time.....

Come on, be realistic, the boy is all huff and puff. He does not have the pace, mobility or technique to excel in any position.

Comparing him to Gareth Barry is like comparing a Ford Mondeo with a Porsche.

We all like triers, but they never win you fuck all. Hull, Stoke and West Brom are full of them. It's quality and ability that wins you games and makes the clubs succesful, not huff, puff and tears.

 

[CrazyG2]

You need triers to stop you loosing the game though. That’s been the problem with Spurs for years now, we have players with quality but they need a platform from which they can play their game and not worry about chasing each ball. Look at man u, every game they play against the top 4 or in Europe Park is in the team, he's the perfect example of a player who isn't the most gifted but will run all day long and give the flair players the license to get forward. It's also the reason Arse have won bugger all for years now they haven’t got any workers.

 

[SlickMongoose]

And I disagree that he doesn't have the technique. Because he does, he can pass, cross and shoot very well. He's not a winger, though, and until we get someone better he'll be put on the left for most of his starts.

 

[freeeki]

I'm assuming the anti-Jamie brigade didn't watch him against Shakhtar when he was the best man on the pitch, bar THudd?

Jamie is a solid and dependable CM, he passes well, he's comitted - he can get bullied on the pitch a bit and needs to be quicker, but this will come with experience.

Gareth Barry wasn't a world beater at age 22. Jamie will be a Spurs great.

 

[steve]

Come on, be realistic, the boy is all huff and puff. He does not have the pace, mobility or technique to excel in any position.

Comparing him to Gareth Barry is like comparing a Ford Mondeo with a Porsche.

We all like triers, but they never win you fuck all. Hull, Stoke and West Brom are full of them. It's quality and ability that wins you games and makes the clubs succesful, not huff, puff and tears.

Can you explain what's wrong with his technique then? He can pass, shoot and control a football very well to my mind.

Pacey he is not (as I already said) but he is mobile, not in a Zokora/Jenas sense but he can get around the pitch ok.

Apart from experience (and the confidence, awareness and composure that comes with that) what does Barry possess that O'Hara doesn't? He's not quick either or particularly mobile...

See I don't mind you disagreeing but if you can't explain specifically what it is that you don't like then you don't present much of an argument. Arsenal away and SD at home are 2 examples of him playing very well in central midfield in a Barry like role. Was he lucky or have I got shit in my eyes?