Harry Kane

[mil1lion]

Bored of this already ☹

But so all you need shitters are aware, Harry barely turned up for another final. If he goes to City to get a medal (not win a trophy, they do that anyway) then in my eyes he is hardly showing ambition, more than he hasn’t the bollox to drag us or England through

So I guess the likes of VDV, Modric and Bale never had the bollox to drag us through either? Or maybe Messi only recently had the bollox to drag Argentina through? England has won 1 tournament 55 years ago. Tottenham has won a league cup 13 years ago, an FA Cup 30 years ago and a league title 60 years ago. Why do people expect 1 player to change a lifetime of history? Titles are won by teams not individuals.

 

[Albertbarich]

Won't be popular saying this but it's how I see it.

Kane should never have signed the new deal, he knows what levy is like and signing it has screwed himself.

On the flip side , we as a club can't moan about the rumours and constant hype around this. We have the best striker in the world on our books, were a million miles from challenging at the top table, constantly moaning were skint, just employed a mid table manager after one of the most farcical recruitment processes I've seen in football and most fans admit we can't challenge with a city or Chelsea.

What do you think kane must be thinking when we just accept not being able to challenge as a fanbase. Sure he loves the club but this is his career. He can buy a box when hes retired. Right now he would want to win a league title, win a champions league. Can any of us honestly see that happening at spurs ?

I think he stays because we price him out of a move and that's his own fault but we can't moan about the stories and allegations. We should be matching his ambition .

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

we can't moan about the stories and allegations. We should be matching his ambition .

These two things aren't mutually exclusive.

You're absolutely right that we should try to match Harry's ambition.

But we can, regardless, still be critical of the media's tediously repetitive, unimaginative and ignorant reporting of this story.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

We should be matching his ambition .

How much ambition does it really take to push for a move to a financially doped club?

It tells me someone is more interested in winning themselves a medal than in helping a team win a trophy. And, there is nothing wrong with that - buts it’s not really ambitious.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

We all know the club is hugely ambitious too

Do we? I think they're ambitious for THFC as a commercial entity, and for its property arm, but there's no strong evidence that they're especially ambitious for the team itself. I think they're quite content to pootle along midtable as long as they are achieving strong profits. (Adorns tin hat for the expected brickbats from the few remaining BSODLs)

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Do we? I think they're ambitious for THFC as a commercial entity, and for its property arm, but there's no strong evidence that they're especially ambitious for the team itself. I think they're quite content to pootle along midtable as long as they are achieving strong profits. (Adorns tin hat for the expected brickbats from the few remaining BSODLs)

Last sentence was unnecessary.

As to the substance of your post, while Levy / ENIC are risk averse and prone to poor football judgement, the notion that they are happy to pootle along in mid table simply makes no sense. Mid table, in the long term, will have a potentially catastrophic effect on income. No CL revenues; less demand for both normal and corporate tickets (which will either lead to fewer seats sold or cheaper prices, or both; plus reduced match day catering sales); reduced value of the various sponsorships; less prize money; less merchandising sold etc. All at a time when the club has £600m of stadium debt to repay.

Mid table is not in ENIC’s interests. At all.

 

[Albertbarich]

How much ambition does it really take to push for a move to a financially doped club?

It tells me someone is more interested in winning themselves a medal than in helping a team win a trophy. And, there is nothing wrong with that - buts it’s not really ambitious.

I just don't agree.

He wants to play at the highest level. This is our second year away from it and from what we have seen so far nothing for the better is changing.

Forget all the moral superiority over financially.doped clubs, nobody in football cares. None of our heroes have and never will.

The two main culprits have just won the Premier league and champions league . Kane and players of his caliber will want some of that.

Fortunately for us he signed a contract so he's screwed himself but whilst we're competing for 6th and 7th and not the very top three stories will keep coming and coming.

 

[Haddock]

If we had been splashing the cash right now - then yeah I’d be worried about Kane leaving.

 

[slartibartfast]

If we had been splashing the cash right now - then yeah I’d be worried about Kane leaving.

I used to think logically like that regarding Spurs.
Then we were about to move into our new £1B stadium and I thought 'We'll have to buy some quality to assure a top 4 finish. Can't go into a massive stadium and not have cl football.'
Instead we became the first club ever to buy absolutely no one in 2 transfer windows!!!
And here we are.
Expect nothing then you won't be disappointed.

 

[topper]

Last sentence was unnecessary.

As to the substance of your post, while Levy / ENIC are risk averse and prone to poor football judgement, the notion that they are happy to pootle along in mid table simply makes no sense. Mid table, in the long term, will have a potentially catastrophic effect on income. No CL revenues; less demand for both normal and corporate tickets (which will either lead to fewer seats sold or cheaper prices, or both; plus reduced match day catering sales); reduced value of the various sponsorships; less prize money; less merchandising sold etc. All at a time when the club has £600m of stadium debt to repay.

Mid table is not in ENIC’s interests. At all.

Such a sensible post and nail on head truly hit - mid/table mediocrity means much less revenue and a less attractive proposition to a buyer willing to pay anywhere near the value ENIC hope to get as a return

 

[daryl hannah]

So they can say that they've tried and that he was too expensive. Nobody at City is foolish enough to think that Kane will leave for less than (at the very least) £150m this summer.

Kevin de B is worth £150m to them and they’d not sell him for less than that would they.

 

[Finchyid]

Such a sensible post and nail on head truly hit - mid/table mediocrity means much less revenue and a less attractive proposition to a buyer willing to pay anywhere near the value ENIC hope to get as a return

Disagree, league position will be irrelevant to an investor, if anything it gives them more to negotiate with. Problem is with Covid there are no investors willing to spend any money. In a year that will change

 

[ackie]

What nonesense about "We should match Kane's ambition" and "THFC is not ambitious"
The club has made many mistakes but we have built a Massive state of the art stadium, one of the best training centre and then brought Mourinho who was one of the best manager and brought back Bale.
JM was not successful with us but to me personally at least it looked an ambitious appointment. Bringing back Bale looked ambitious.

So stop saying we need to match his ambition, we were ambitious.

We've had issues with JM and players not performing.

I doubt that kane will not turn up for training. I think the press writrs crap.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Disagree, league position will be irrelevant to an investor, if anything it gives them more to negotiate with. Problem is with Covid there are no investors willing to spend any money. In a year that will change

Indeed.

But that's precisely the point, isn't it?

Spurs "pootling along in mid table" might not render the club any less attractive to potential investors but it would inevitably reduce the price that ENIC could achieve if and when they sell. So, contrary to what had been suggested, it isn't in their interests at all.

 

[murichej]

if Kane refuses to train, he loses all the respect from fans immediately.

he's smarter than that

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Kevin de B is worth £150m to them and they’d not sell him for less than that would they.

It is not just about what Kane is worth in the market as a whole it is what he is worth to Utd or city in so far as the premium they will have to pay to match their desire/needs. I would say that premium is circa £50m

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

What nonesense about "We should match Kane's ambition" and "THFC is not ambitious"
The club has made many mistakes but we have built a Massive state of the art stadium, one of the best training centre and then brought Mourinho who was one of the best manager and brought back Bale.
JM was not successful with us but to me personally at least it looked an ambitious appointment. Bringing back Bale looked ambitious.

So stop saying we need to match his ambition, we were ambitious.

We've had issues with JM and players not performing.

I doubt that kane will not turn up for training. I think the press writrs crap.

Not sure the above is anything to do with ambition. None of the above would have been in the three year business plan. Poch was manager and we were top 4 and champs league finalists. It was not ambition that brought Jose and Bale to our club it was lack of planning and appeasement management which the club will rue for the next two -three years or such time as we recover from Levy’s poor management. Levy is a great chairman but a poor leader/manager. Levy hopefully has learned the lessons that the Chairman is for the vision and you leave and trust the directors below to deliver.

 

[spursfan77]

What nonesense about "We should match Kane's ambition" and "THFC is not ambitious"
The club has made many mistakes but we have built a Massive state of the art stadium, one of the best training centre and then brought Mourinho who was one of the best manager and brought back Bale.
JM was not successful with us but to me personally at least it looked an ambitious appointment. Bringing back Bale looked ambitious.

So stop saying we need to match his ambition, we were ambitious.

We've had issues with JM and players not performing.

I doubt that kane will not turn up for training. I think the press writrs crap.

I agree. Matt Law managed to write a whole article about an England player saying that Harry could miss training if he wanted to force a move. There was no suggestion that he will or that the England player said he would.

 

[sundanceyid10]

How much ambition does it really take to push for a move to a financially doped club?

It tells me someone is more interested in winning themselves a medal than in helping a team win a trophy. And, there is nothing wrong with that - buts it’s not really ambitious.

Nailed it, Man City are a joke club. Sure they win but the whole world knows why.

 

[Albertbarich]

What nonesense about "We should match Kane's ambition" and "THFC is not ambitious"
The club has made many mistakes but we have built a Massive state of the art stadium, one of the best training centre and then brought Mourinho who was one of the best manager and brought back Bale.
JM was not successful with us but to me personally at least it looked an ambitious appointment. Bringing back Bale looked ambitious.

So stop saying we need to match his ambition, we were ambitious.

We've had issues with JM and players not performing.

I doubt that kane will not turn up for training. I think the press writrs crap.

He wants champions league, he wants to be challenging for the Premier league. We're not doing either so unless we start investing in the actual playing squad , you know the important part then we're going to have these issues.

With all due respect your post is made fully with your spurs blinkers on. Ambition to players isn't about having a nice stadium, if it was then they would choose us over chelsea everytime.

From the outside looking in were not st that top table, appointing nuno after that ridiculous manager search isn't the sort of appointment that changes that view, constantly having stories in the press of sell to buy doesn't change that view, being in the conference league certainly doesn't change that view.

Kane won't be looking at it like you and neither will anyone else except the model dedicated of spurs fans. And sure it's good to be loyal good to back the club but it's also good to be realistic and the only thing that changes the perception is to really invest in the playing squad. Otherwise were just a mid table team in a pretty stadium with a striker frustrated that his trophy haul won't match his talent.

I do agree he won't go on strike , he's far too classy for that, not sure his brother is too classy to start the rumour though...