Harry Kane

[bubble07]

So looks like we are at the denial stage

 

[ultimateloner]

no the minimum expectation is European football and again the clubs target and what is regarded as success is Champions League football - without Kane thats not achievable with him you have a chance

I think we are saying the same thing. We both agree that no Kane no Europe.

My view is that sooner or later we will lose Kane and we wont replace him like-for-like. It's better to lose him now than latter because we would at least get some money back.

We will be mid-table without him. Hence my expectation, as well as that of the incoming manager, will go down; it won't be European football for the season after.

 

[ultimateloner]

Historically pundits eulogise over one club men. Le Tissier, until he went full David Icke, was always highly regarded by the football fraternity and an absolute god at Southampton.

People talk about legacy. But what real legacy is created by going to a team that is guaranteed to win a trophy with or without you?

I've heard people use Ake as an example as an above average player who will end up way more decorated than Kane. But what does that really mean? If Kane stays at Spurs, is record club and league goal scorer, is Ake gonna be more highly regarded than Kane when all is said and done?

It's bollocks and the media thrust is entirely to generate a headline. That's all.

I understand if he wants to leave to win something. I get it. But if he stays he'll be a true legend for generation. His kids and his grandkids will be forever welcomed and treated like royalty at this club. His name will live on. Move and to Utd or Chelsea and win a FA Cup? He'll mean nothing to either set of fans. That's how I see it anyway.

If Kane leaves to work with Pep he may improve as a player. I think that would be the biggest draw for him.

When you work in and with world-class people you may reach a higher ceiling. Pep has a record of developing players even when they are already elite. Kane needs that, and has proven this season that he can thrive under that sort of pressure.

If Kane stays, he will get the same amount of money so thats not what matters. He will be within his comfort zone. So it's a matter of whether he wants to take the risk that comes with pushing the boundaries.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Not saying we’ll do better when Kane leaves, we probably won’t, but when Suarez and later Coutinho left Liverpool I thought they’d be fucked but they went from strength to strength.

They finished 6th the year after Suarez left and 8th the year after.

 

[thebenjamin]

H and family were being shown round a school in north London last week.

 

[Sophos151]

Emerson Royal has just said that Kane wants to stay.

 

[eViL]

Such a bizarre take on SSN a minute ago.

Pundit spoke well and with a lot of sense, then ruined it a fair bit by saying (I’m paraphrasing):

“Does Kane want to be like Darren Anderton, or like Teddy Sheringham… Teddy Sheringham did well at spurs then left to go and win various trophies, a premier league, the champions league. Anderton decided he wanted to stay and be a big player for Spurs and try and get them somewhere”

I mean, the point is sort of half there, but what a ridiculous comparison, Anderton wasn’t the clubs leading goalscorer, he wasn’t englands leading goalscorer, he wasn’t England captain, he wasn’t within 50 goals of being the premier leagues top scorer…. Just a really odd comparison.

In terms of things achieved at one club, how do you even think of comparing Kane and Anderton? It’s like night and day.

Skysports still living in a time where United were dominating everything, as are many other pundits.

Utd just aren't the same draw as they used to be, or the financial powerhouse that could just double players wages overnight.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I think we are saying the same thing. We both agree that no Kane no Europe.

My view is that sooner or later we will lose Kane and we wont replace him like-for-like. It's better to lose him now than latter because we would at least get some money back.

We will be mid-table without him. Hence my expectation, as well as that of the incoming manager, will go down; it won't be European football for the season after.

I don't think Levy can afford to sell him and neither can Tottenham - Levy as inevitably and rather tediously it would just be another stick to beat him with (not saying some aren't reasonable) - for Tottenham though it really would be an admission of failure and push Spurs into the football also rans and whilst Kane will eventually either leave or finally decline it equates as pulling your own teeth out to let him walk out the door as no money is likely to replace him - the only player I can think of who looks a logical replacement is banned for 7 months otherwise the cupboard is very bare

 

[ultimateloner]

I don't think Levy can afford to sell him and neither can Tottenham - Levy as inevitably and rather tediously it would just be another stick to beat him with (not saying some aren't reasonable) - for Tottenham though it really would be an admission of failure and push Spurs into the football also rans and whilst Kane will eventually either leave or finally decline it equates as pulling your own teeth out to let him walk out the door as no money is likely to replace him - the only player I can think of who looks a logical replacement is banned for 7 months otherwise the cupboard is very bare

I think it’s best to look beyond the next season with whatever decision we may come up with.
Our squad is mid table in quality at best, our recent recruitment has been bad, and multiple proven managers have tried but failed to get us to play consistently well.
i think our problems take more than 1 season to fix. Our house isn’t in order, so whatever it does would be of suboptimal quality.
Kane deserves to be watched by a wider audience than just the spurs and England fan base. IMO he is the best English player since Paul scholes. he may even have more untapped potential, as he has the mental focus and strength to carry a team and perform amid chaos. His performance this season is abit bale-esq when he single handily took us to CL.
Therefore as I’ve accepted that we will likely be around mid table for a whole and 8th or 13th does not matter; it just seems right to let Kane go should he choose to.

 

[Tucker]

Such a bizarre take on SSN a minute ago.

Pundit spoke well and with a lot of sense, then ruined it a fair bit by saying (I’m paraphrasing):

“Does Kane want to be like Darren Anderton, or like Teddy Sheringham… Teddy Sheringham did well at spurs then left to go and win various trophies, a premier league, the champions league. Anderton decided he wanted to stay and be a big player for Spurs and try and get them somewhere”

I mean, the point is sort of half there, but what a ridiculous comparison, Anderton wasn’t the clubs leading goalscorer, he wasn’t englands leading goalscorer, he wasn’t England captain, he wasn’t within 50 goals of being the premier leagues top scorer…. Just a really odd comparison.

In terms of things achieved at one club, how do you even think of comparing Kane and Anderton? It’s like night and day.

Such a weird take that completely ignores the context at the time. Spurs were very much a mid table side with no hope whatsoever of getting near the top of the table, or competing in the cups. We had qualified for Europe once in the 90s at the point Sheringham left, and never while he was at the club.

Teddy has mentioned numerous times he’d have stayed if Sugar had offered him a better contract. Anderton was in a completely different situation, he was suffering regular injuries by the time Sheringham left, and no club was going to pay what we wanted for an injury prone player. So he didn’t choose to stay, he never had the chance to go. By the time he’d sorted his injuries out in the late 90s early 00s he was too old to attract the interest and we were looking a better prospect too.

Just complete nonsense from the pundits there.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I think it’s best to look beyond the next season with whatever decision we may come up with.
Our squad is mid table in quality at best, our recent recruitment has been bad, and multiple proven managers have tried but failed to get us to play consistently well.
i think our problems take more than 1 season to fix. Our house isn’t in order, so whatever it does would be of suboptimal quality.
Kane deserves to be watched by a wider audience than just the spurs and England fan base. IMO he is the best English player since Paul scholes. he may even have more untapped potential, as he has the mental focus and strength to carry a team and perform amid chaos. His performance this season is abit bale-esq when he single handily took us to CL.
Therefore as I’ve accepted that we will likely be around mid table for a whole and 8th or 13th does not matter; it just seems right to let Kane go should he choose to.

thats all very fair though I would rate Kane over Scholes - I do though hold out a bit more hope than you - I still believe that with some smart signings and a progressive manager things would improve quickly and momentums a funny thing in football - though whether we can do smart signings and find a progressive manager is in the balance as we all know

 

[mattstev2000]

Not to keen on him just running down his contract next year. Him staying should be contingent on at least a year extension to his current deal. We can't have a fresh start with a new manager and plan for the future with players half way out the door.

 

[Yantino]

Not to keen on him just running down his contract next year. Him staying should be contingent on at least a year extension to his current deal. We can't have a fresh start with a new manager and plan for the future with players half way out the door.

In Harry's case I disagree. He is the exception to the rule. If we can agree a new contract, great. Of course. If not then I'm more than happy to take a final year of his brilliance knowing very clearly that he is finished at the end of his contract.

 

[Japhet]

I think we are saying the same thing. We both agree that no Kane no Europe.

My view is that sooner or later we will lose Kane and we wont replace him like-for-like. It's better to lose him now than latter because we would at least get some money back.

We will be mid-table without him. Hence my expectation, as well as that of the incoming manager, will go down; it won't be European football for the season after.

No point having the money if we spend it on crap though. We wasted 90% of the money we got for Bale.

 

[ultimateloner]

thats all very fair though I would rate Kane over Scholes - I do though hold out a bit more hope than you - I still believe that with some smart signings and a progressive manager things would improve quickly and momentums a funny thing in football - though whether we can do smart signings and find a progressive manager is in the balance as we all know

Yeah I don’t feel optimistic about getting the right personnel in place even if we spend big. First there is our track record and second there is Chelsea; living proof that money and even coaching aren’t enough.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Yeah I don’t feel optimistic about getting the right personnel in place even if we spend big. First there is our track record and second there is Chelsea; living proof that money and even coaching aren’t enough.

but then on the other side of the fence you have Newcastle and Villa who have turned things around quickly so it can happen but as you say !! - but we have spent all the season feeling pretty miserable so might as well hold out some hope in pre season

 

[ultimateloner]

but then on the other side of the fence you have Newcastle and Villa who have turned things around quickly so it can happen but as you say !! - but we have spent all the season feeling pretty miserable so might as well hold out some hope in pre season

It’s early days for these 2 clubs and it remains to be seen what will show up the next season. I’m not sold yet by either of them. They may turn out to be like us with Comte the season before.

 

[robotsonic]

It’s early days for these 2 clubs and it remains to be seen what will show up the next season. I’m not sold yet by either of them. They may turn out to be like us with Comte the season before.

Sitting deep and trying to cheese wins against the run of play?

 

[ultimateloner]

Sitting deep and trying to cheese wins against the run of play?

Great season followed by complete failure

 

[rossdapep]

My United supporting mates are already speaking as if Kane to United would be a formality.

United won't spend big now, especially with the takeover potentially hitting halters.

Not only that but united aren't the club they were 10 years ago. I do believe Kane would prefer other options.....but there isn't many