Harry Kane

[rossdapep]

we’ll lose so much intelligence when harry leaves. richy is an ok player but link up, passing and general play will suffer immensely. we’ll put our faith in kulu and maddison i guess…

Richarlison's movement is top and he can play short interchanges. It will be a collective effort now based on movement, quick interchanges, rotating players and being aggressive.

Intelligence is important but it's not the only characteristic required.

Richarlison won't be tasked with dropping deeper to play passes, he will be a focal point where his movement will be the creator for himself and others.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Brazil were very good in WC qualification and one of the reasons was because of the movement Richarlison gave them up top.

He does shank some chances but he still has a good conversion rate but more importantly, his movement frees up others and he has that unrelenting desire to score goals.

What we need is other wide/fluid options. We don't need another CF, Richarlison will become redundant again.

That’s the thing about Richy, i can certainly see the upside of him in our system. I just think his shooting technique is just not good enough. He will miss a lot of chances over a season imo. Still as long as the rest of WF and CM’s contribute a significant amount then we should be okay. One hopes anyway.

 

[Guntz]

Where did you read that? Jon Uriarte said this in regards to negotiations at the time “We are trying to provide the means so that he can extend his career with us and we think that we are going to achieve it,". I didn’t see anything saying it was triggered automatically.

From what I know is they really want to keep him for at least another season. Like you say there is still a €50 mil release clause but we would have to pay that in full which Levy would never do.

Aston Villa 'set to miss out on Athletic Bilbao's Nico Williams'

Villa had been heavily linked with a move for the Spain international but he will be staying at Athletic, where there was just one year left on his current deal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[nicdic]

Thats all well and good but it is just a bunch of maybes at this point. There are no definitives from any of those players like we had with Kane - we knew he was going to score 20+ every season. Richy has never scored a lot of goals and is now going to be filling Kane's boots. We will see what happens but im not going to force positives for the sake of it.

I hope you turn out to be right though.

If you're gonna approach it like that, nothing is ever a definitive. Nothing.

 

[nicdic]

If you‘re willing to pay the price to buy the targeted centre backs, you would just buy them - no need to “try”

and the reason Kane, who has been at the club since 11 and is now its greatest ever striker wont sign for even £400k/week is because we dont buy critical reinforcements in key areas - we spend the whole summer trying to get a good price and when we fail we end up with the second and third choice alternative who are never up to scratch.

That’s why we have one one lousy league cup in 24 years, and why we haven’t improved a defence that needs immediate reinforcements, and why a Kane wont sign a new contract no matter how much money is thrown at him.

I'm frustrated we haven't signed centre backs yet, I don't understand why we can't afford to sign VDV and Tapsoba without needing to sell Kane. But, there is clearly more to every transfer than just having money, negotiations happen, we have to clear the squad as well. I'm sure Levy could do more, but it's also been true that previous managers have made certain things difficult.

It's also not true that we always go for second and third choice alternatives, we just all conveniently forget the exceptions when we're feeling frustrated. Or we completely rewrite the narrative after signing a player when they don't perform as well as we hoped.

 

[Fidget]

If you're gonna approach it like that, nothing is ever a definitive. Nothing.

It is just that though, isn’t it. I mean it’s not the Pope, is it, that’s gonna execute this sale and three purchases, is it? It’s Mr Levy and I defy anyone to show me he can be trusted.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Aston Villa 'set to miss out on Athletic Bilbao's Nico Williams'

Villa had been heavily linked with a move for the Spain international but he will be staying at Athletic, where there was just one year left on his current deal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ah thats from Jan. I believe it just improved his terms, he signed a proper new one last month in July.

 

[Dov67]

I'm frustrated we haven't signed centre backs yet, I don't understand why we can't afford to sign VDV and Tapsoba without needing to sell Kane. But, there is clearly more to every transfer than just having money, negotiations happen, we have to clear the squad as well. I'm sure Levy could do more, but it's also been true that previous managers have made certain things difficult.

It's also not true that we always go for second and third choice alternatives, we just all conveniently forget the exceptions when we're feeling frustrated. Or we completely rewrite the narrative after signing a player when they don't perform as well as we hoped.

Tapsoba and VDV have a price - if we were willing to pay it, they would have joined the tour and would be weeks ahead in terms of settling in.

Levy is not willing to pay that price and so is doing his little Levy dance trying to get a “good” deal and prioritising the fee over what is good for the team.

His playing games with numbers have cost us many a good player, Grealish and Sadio Mane to name but two - might those two players have got us over the line and got the trophy monkey off our back? Would Kane be more amenable to a new contract in those circumstances? It’s not unreasonable to think so.

As for 2nd and 3rd choices - Skrinniar too expensive, so Rodon will do. Gvardiol and Skrinniar again too expensive - Lenglet on loan, he‘ll do! We spent circa £130m on 5 players over 6 years trying to replace Kyle Walker.

Sorry, i dont mean to come across as prickly with you or anyone but am just so frustrated by the twisted priorities of Levy and how he runs our club.

 

[robotsonic]

If we did go for a young striker, De Ketelaere might be worth a punt as it looks like Milan want rid. Could be worth a punt for reasonable money and a bit less pressure for him playing understudy to Richarlison/Maddison than to start at Milan which was clearly too much, too soon.

 

[carpediem1906]

we’ll lose so much intelligence when harry leaves. richy is an ok player but link up, passing and general play will suffer immensely. we’ll put our faith in kulu and maddison i guess…

Just from pre season

Yves n Gio + Deki n Maddison will ensure more chances created

 

[soflapaul]

I am pretty relaxed about the latest ITK, there's nothing I can control about the situation so why stress about it.

It's all how you look at it, isn't it? It clearly is another reason to order another beer.

 

[Tyler24durden]

The only thing that would compensate losing Kane would be VDV, Tapsoba and someone like Evan Ferguson or Muani.

getting the two cbs and some cheap striker would be outrageous and there should be protests.

we have needed 2 good cbs this summer even if Kane stayed and we have the money for it.

if he goes then we should be buying a good striker to replace him.

Richy, who I personally don’t rate, can be given the chance up too but he is injury prone so can’t be relied on for that reason alone.

 

[SandroClegane]

If we did go for a young striker, De Ketelaere might be worth a punt as it looks like Milan want rid. Could be worth a punt for reasonable money and a bit less pressure for him playing understudy to Richarlison/Maddison than to start at Milan which was clearly too much, too soon.

He was god awful for them, what makes you think he'd be a better fit here?

 

[Gb160]

...there would be no point ever dreaming of doing anything while they are in charge.

I feel lowering the expectations of the fanbase is exactly their plan right now mate.
With a world class striker and successive managers who had won the lot the expectations went through the roof.

 

[stewartd]

I’m sure Kane isn’t at all bothered by what the media or pundits have to say about him. And I don’t think this is a money driven thing either. So if it’s all about winning something, Bayern is a pretty sure bet. Even if he stayed and got a PL move next summer, there are no safe bets here.

Celtic would be an even bigger certainty if he wants to win something

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Fantastic post mate!

"Everything about us is pretending to be a big club, but we're not. Were a brand that has figured out how to maximize the amount of cash we can fleece whilst spending as little as possible on the actual football team".

The quote is such a good summary of our club, or should I say entertainment brand. Might as well make it our motto, as that's basically what we are.

Sadly, absolutely nothing will change as long as the money keep flowing to ENIC. Brilliantly done by Levy and ENIC (from an investment perspective).

I'm not picking on you, but do we have to have this kind of post in every single thread.

It's not that I disagree with you, it's that I've read this post (in different words) over and over again for the last week.

The VDV thread hasn't had an actual post about VDV for about 20 pages.

Yes we haven't signed a CB and yes we should and it's probably in someway Levys fault. But do we have to keep posting the same shit in every fucking thread.

There is a guy that is in every thread (coys1882) every post he makes is a crack at Levy. It's tiring, it's repetitive and it's mind numbingly boring.

Can you not all just nicely post your anti Levy, anti Enic and your "haven't signed a CB post" in the Enic thread.

Having it in every thread is just destroying this forum.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

We will have to buy someone else who can play through the middle, can't just have Richy, but I don't see us spending hugely on a first choice 9

Think Son may end up better through the middle than out wide. If the additional forward that comes is is younger as the ITK states then I think that’s the right move as long as younger is 21-22 and ready to step in at any moment.

 

[soflapaul]

Assuming we will lose Harry, it will be massively painful from a morale perspective especially for the fans. It isn't a certainty that it will be from a performance perspective because of what Richy brings to the table. He was profligate in his misses against West Ham but he is a down in the dirt, scrappy, fight for every loose ball kind of guy. Agne's style of play is not precision. It's a blunt instrument. Richy is a blunt instrument.

Extrapolating performance based on a preseason game is haphazard at best, but our issue will not be goals.
We had 32 shots against West Ham.
We had zero games last year over 30 shots.
We had four games out of 50 with more than 20 shots.

Spoiler: Tottenham 2022-2023 Shot stats

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For Tottenham Hotspur					Standard
Date	Comp	Round	Venue	Result	Opponent	Gls	Shots
8/15/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 1	Home	W	Manchester City	1	13
8/19/2021​	Conf Lg	Play-off round	Away	L	pt Paços	0
8/22/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 2	Away	W	Wolves	1	7
8/26/2021​	Conf Lg	Play-off round	Home	W	pt Paços	3
8/29/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 3	Home	W	Watford	1	15
9/11/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 4	Away	L	Crystal Palace	0	2
9/16/2021​	Conf Lg	Group stage	Away	D	fr Rennes	1	10
9/19/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 5	Home	L	Chelsea	0	8
9/22/2021​	EFL Cup	Third round	Away	D	Wolves	2	9
9/26/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 6	Away	L	Arsenal	1	10
9/30/2021​	Conf Lg	Group stage	Home	W	si NŠ Mura	5	12
10/3/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 7	Home	W	Aston Villa	1	17
10/17/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 8	Away	W	Newcastle Utd	3	14
10/21/2021​	Conf Lg	Group stage	Away	L	nl Vitesse	0	6
10/24/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 9	Away	L	West Ham	0	7
10/27/2021​	EFL Cup	Fourth round	Away	W	Burnley	1	10
10/30/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 10	Home	L	Manchester Utd	0	9
11/4/2021​	Conf Lg	Group stage	Home	W	nl Vitesse	2	12
11/7/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 11	Away	D	Everton	0	8
11/21/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 12	Home	W	Leeds United	2	13
11/25/2021​	Conf Lg	Group stage	Away	L	si NŠ Mura	1	15
12/2/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 14	Home	W	Brentford	1	11
12/5/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 15	Home	W	Norwich City	3	17
12/9/2021​	Conf Lg	Group stage	Home	L	fr Rennes
12/19/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 18	Home	D	Liverpool	2	10
12/22/2021​	EFL Cup	Quarter-finals	Home	W	West Ham	2	10
12/26/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 19	Home	W	Crystal Palace	3	17
12/28/2021​	Premier League	Matchweek 20	Away	D	Southampton	1	20
1/1/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 21	Away	W	Watford	1	21
1/5/2022​	EFL Cup	Semi-finals	Away	L	Chelsea	0	5
1/9/2022​	FA Cup	Third round proper	Home	W	Morecambe	3	26
1/12/2022​	EFL Cup	Semi-finals	Home	L	Chelsea	0	15
1/19/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 17	Away	W	Leicester City	3	27
1/23/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 23	Away	L	Chelsea	0	6
2/5/2022​	FA Cup	Fourth round proper	Home	W	Brighton	2	12
2/9/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 24	Home	L	Southampton	1	8
2/13/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 25	Home	L	Wolves	0	17
2/19/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 26	Away	W	Manchester City	3	6
2/23/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 13	Away	L	Burnley	0	12
2/26/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 27	Away	W	Leeds United	4	15
3/1/2022​	FA Cup	Fifth round proper	Away	L	Middlesbrough	0	15
3/7/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 28	Home	W	Everton	4	14
3/12/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 29	Away	L	Manchester Utd	1	9
3/16/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 16	Away	W	Brighton	2	17
3/20/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 30	Home	W	West Ham	2	17
4/3/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 31	Home	W	Newcastle Utd	5	19
4/9/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 32	Away	W	Aston Villa	4	11
4/16/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 33	Home	L	Brighton	0	5
4/23/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 34	Away	D	Brentford	0	9
5/1/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 35	Home	W	Leicester City	3	13
5/7/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 36	Away	D	Liverpool	1	8
5/12/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 22	Home	W	Arsenal	3	15
5/15/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 37	Home	W	Burnley	1	20
5/22/2022​	Premier League	Matchweek 38	Away	W	Norwich City	5	19

Our issue will be the goals we give up especially if we don't upgrade at CB as well as how do we get goals against the top teams. I suspect Harry's precision will be missed against the top 4 especially in the away games. but for the majority of the season, our offense will do well.

 

[mil1lion]

The only thing that would compensate losing Kane would be VDV, Tapsoba and someone like Evan Ferguson or Muani.

getting the two cbs and some cheap striker would be outrageous and there should be protests.

we have needed 2 good cbs this summer even if Kane stayed and we have the money for it.

if he goes then we should be buying a good striker to replace him.

Richy, who I personally don’t rate, can be given the chance up too but he is injury prone so can’t be relied on for that reason alone.

That really depends on the forward. If we actually do good scouting and find a forward with potential who is cheap then that's fine. We shouldn't just assume cheap is poor. We've made plenty of great cheap signings and typically have a better success rate than the expensive ones. If we end up with a Llorente who is a clear backup or a Campbell who is young but not high in potential I fully agree. Not sure the last time we did that with a forward mind. Obviously Kane came through the academy , maybe Berbatov was the last great forward we discovered from elsewhere. Going back further a young Defoe from relegated West Ham or Keane from Leeds. Those are the type of forward signing I would be happy with. We need to find these players before they go up in price because we won't pay the price when they do.

 

[jpascavitz]

He was god awful for them, what makes you think he'd be a better fit here?

He had a tough year, no doubt. But, he boasts high dribble completion and defensive stats, which means he could compete as an attacking 8 or Kulu position in addition to ST.

The only .0001% (lol) benefit of Kane leaving with Ange's system is that we could get creative and find the best possible replacement at ST, WF, or AM and have enough cover since most of our remaining options are versatile.